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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Aug 10, 2010 16:13:18 GMT -5
Yes, thanks for sharing. I agree with SF and trust all recognize the reasons for being skeptical. Even with a major donation, the institution still needs to get behind the plan in a serious way - meaning more than a "support when folks are looking and deep 6 when they aren't" approach that we're accustomed to seeing.
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Post by kghoya on Aug 11, 2010 0:25:49 GMT -5
I heard Kevin Millen was going to donate big bucks if he had won a seat in the House.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Aug 11, 2010 8:52:30 GMT -5
I heard Kevin Millen was going to donate big bucks if he had won a seat in the House. At last count, 19 voting members of Congress are Hoyas, including 6 Senators. 11 Dems and 8 Repubs. If that Congressional clout was ever going to pay off for Georgetown facilities at any point, it doesn't take Kevin Millen to put us across the goal line. |
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Post by kchoya on Aug 11, 2010 10:05:56 GMT -5
I heard Kevin Millen was going to donate big bucks if he had won a seat in the House. At last count, 19 voting members of Congress are Hoyas, including 6 Senators. 11 Dems and 8 Repubs. If that Congressional clout was ever going to pay off for Georgetown facilities at any point, it doesn't take Kevin Millen to put us across the goal line. Can't Scalia craft an opinion, say, construing the 8th Amendment to say that it's cruel and unusual punishment for Georgetown not to have an on-campus arena. After all, the University was around when the Bill of Rights was ratified.  Maybe we can put some solar panels on the roof of the arena and run the same scam that helped build/fund the ICC. ;D |
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Post by hoyatables on Aug 11, 2010 10:32:44 GMT -5
my guess is that the political obstacles GU faces every time it wets some mortar are non-existent in Peoria. DC is what it is and I am always stunned by people who bitch about a university in their neighborhood when the school pre-dates their existence by a couple of centuries, but in the end, ANCs and all the bull ship are real obstacles. I agree wholeheartedly about the neighborhood problems, but didn't the practice facility already get some kind of preliminary approval? I thought we had reason to believe that a practice facility, not an on-campus arena, would face minimal, if any, neighborhood resistance. Maybe I made that up, though. The previous campus plan was amended to permit the practice facility, and the facility itself received final DC zoning approval along with the New Science Center and modifications to MSF. I believe it also received the necessary concept design approval for the practice facility from the federal authorities. This past fall, the University sought and received a two-year extension of the above zoning approvals. That said, there is a lot that happens between receiving the entitlements and actual construction. The ATF is not alone -- there are a plethora of projects that received approval from the DC Zoning Commission and BZA in 2007-2008 that were then frozen for two years due to the economic crisis. Bit by bit, the ice is breaking and more projects are being thawed out for redevelopment. Just some ice metaphors for you all to lighten the load on a very hot day! |
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Post by theexorcist on Aug 11, 2010 10:52:06 GMT -5
At last count, 19 voting members of Congress are Hoyas, including 6 Senators. 11 Dems and 8 Repubs. If that Congressional clout was ever going to pay off for Georgetown facilities at any point, it doesn't take Kevin Millen to put us across the goal line. Can't Scalia craft an opinion, say, construing the 8th Amendment to say that it's cruel and unusual punishment for Georgetown not to have an on-campus arena. After all, the University was around when the Bill of Rights was ratified. Maybe we can put some solar panels on the roof of the arena and run the same scam that helped build/fund the ICC. ;D Amateur. 1. Request some defense money to develop a "Small Group Training Facility". 2. Request homeland security funds to develop a "High Threat Mitigation Center". 3. Propose a secondary House Gym in Georgetown with a full-length basketball court. 4. Request funds to perform sustained research into chemistry interactions. 5. Request funds from China to develop a Center for American/Chinese Understanding that, since sport is the universal language, includes a practice facility. Since China has money to burn, get an on-campus arena, too. |
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Post by strummer8526 on Aug 11, 2010 11:06:52 GMT -5
my guess is that the political obstacles GU faces every time it wets some mortar are non-existent in Peoria. DC is what it is and I am always stunned by people who bitch about a university in their neighborhood when the school pre-dates their existence by a couple of centuries, but in the end, ANCs and all the bull ship are real obstacles. I agree wholeheartedly about the neighborhood problems, but didn't the practice facility already get some kind of preliminary approval? I thought we had reason to believe that a practice facility, not an on-campus arena, would face minimal, if any, neighborhood resistance. Maybe I made that up, though. The previous campus plan was amended to permit the practice facility, and the facility itself received final DC zoning approval along with the New Science Center and modifications to MSF. I believe it also received the necessary concept design approval for the practice facility from the federal authorities. This past fall, the University sought and received a two-year extension of the above zoning approvals. That said, there is a lot that happens between receiving the entitlements and actual construction. The ATF is not alone -- there are a plethora of projects that received approval from the DC Zoning Commission and BZA in 2007-2008 that were then frozen for two years due to the economic crisis. Bit by bit, the ice is breaking and more projects are being thawed out for redevelopment. Just some ice metaphors for you all to lighten the load on a very hot day! Oh yeah, I realize the economy and a number of other factors play into the this. I was just responding to a post that implied that the neighborhood was holding up the practice facility, and my point was that the facility is now beyond that stage. I hate the neighbors, zoning commission, etc., etc. as much as anyone, but with regards to the practice facility specifically, they're not the ones standing in our way. |
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Post by lichoya68 on Aug 11, 2010 19:57:55 GMT -5
if they announce a lead donor ITS COMING AND SOON hmmmmm didnot somebody say zo is now on the board of directors THINK HELL SUPPORT JT3 AND THE PRACTICE FACILITY just a thought go hoyas BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME....  |
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Post by lichoya68 on Aug 11, 2010 19:59:08 GMT -5
PS THE NEIGHBORS CAN STILL HOLD THINGS UP dont count your chickens before they are eggs nope keep plugging for money and pushing it thru ALL the hoops go hoyas ;D ;D ;D
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 11, 2010 20:44:40 GMT -5
We can hope for the best, but there's a healthy skepticism about such things.
The MSF stands as a monument to dreams deferred, and frankly, with the money they have and the donor dissatisfaction from funds raised seven years ago, GU has to get that project underway logistically before digging up the tennis courts.
And this doesn't address track, or the pool at Yates, or baseball. Long term answer: a satellite campus.
Could have had one, of course, but...
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Post by jgalt on Aug 11, 2010 22:01:45 GMT -5
Can't Scalia craft an opinion, say, construing the 8th Amendment to say that it's cruel and unusual punishment for Georgetown not to have an on-campus arena. After all, the University was around when the Bill of Rights was ratified. Maybe we can put some solar panels on the roof of the arena and run the same scam that helped build/fund the ICC. ;D Amateur. 1. Request some defense money to develop a "Small Group Training Facility". 2. Request homeland security funds to develop a "High Threat Mitigation Center". 3. Propose a secondary House Gym in Georgetown with a full-length basketball court. 4. Request funds to perform sustained research into chemistry interactions. 5. Request funds from China to develop a Center for American/Chinese Understanding that, since sport is the universal language, includes a practice facility. Since China has money to burn, get an on-campus arena, too. You left out asking the Hariri family to have the Jordanian gov't fund a center for mid east relations through sports (maybe sead could get the montegran Gov to throw some cash into). AND you didnt even attempt to get the UAE or Qatar to throw away money on it. Seriously though, the real problem, and what i think was DFW's main point is that its not really about the money (people gave plenty to the MSB and to the MSF); its that when the University has the money they never seem to use it in a timely manner. I just graduated this year and the way things are now, I dont really want to give money to the school if I dont think it is ever going to actually be used. Id rather give it to the Hoya Hoop Club or some other organization that has shown the ability to actually use the money they receive or at least have a personal interest to me (like getting nice seats for a game!!) |
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Aug 11, 2010 22:08:26 GMT -5
"count your chickens before they are eggs"  ? Lic is already in midseason form! That one is worthy of Yogi. |
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Post by lichoya68 on Aug 12, 2010 7:23:47 GMT -5
yeah we need money REAL money to build this stuff and thats as good as CASH go hoyas
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Post by lichoya68 on Aug 12, 2010 7:24:04 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Aug 12, 2010 7:59:40 GMT -5
Can we bring back the ignore function? |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Aug 12, 2010 20:00:52 GMT -5
Did the boathouse ever get built???
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Post by hoyatables on Aug 13, 2010 7:11:40 GMT -5
Did the boathouse ever get built??? No, but that is due to legal and permitting issues, nothing more. The boathouse is suffering the same fate as the University's forward-thinking plans to construct a cogeneration plant on campus in the early 90s - death by process. The University keeps winning every legal challenge and securing every permit, and the bad guys keep manipulating the system to add on more layers and set up more roadblocks. Death by process, indeed. |
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Post by hoyatables on Aug 13, 2010 7:12:56 GMT -5
PS THE NEIGHBORS CAN STILL HOLD THINGS UP dont count your chickens before they are eggs nope keep plugging for money and pushing it thru ALL the hoops go hoyas ;D ;D ;D Lic is absolutely correct about this. The Athletic Training Facility, as well as all other University construction, is at stake with the upcoming campus master plan. |
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Post by Bando on Aug 17, 2010 15:09:53 GMT -5
Tables word is usually gold on these sort of things, so trust what he says. If any alums happen to still live in Georgetown, your participation at ANC and BZA meetings are going to be crucial.
Thinking past all of this, what other facilities upgrades are we going to need if the MSF and Practice Facility get built? DFW mentioned the Yates pool, which I believe is too small for Big East matches. Anything else, maybe something that's easy (as opposed to the on-campus arena, which I believe requires a Metro station among other things)?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 17, 2010 15:10:01 GMT -5
Thinking past all of this, what other facilities upgrades are we going to need if the MSF and Practice Facility get built? DFW mentioned the Yates pool, which I believe is too small for Big East matches. Anything else, maybe something that's easy (as opposed to the on-campus arena, which I believe requires a Metro station among other things)? Baseball: Needs a permanent field. Track: Has no regulation track for outdoor, no indoor facility whatsoever. Field Hockey: Has no field. Softball: Plays at a city park when GU dropped funding for a new field. Tennis: Will need courts if the ATF takes over its land. Rowing/Sailing: Need boathouse. Swimming: Needs pool renovations. Meanwhile, while GU continues to plan (and plan) the MSF and training facility waiting for one big donor...TCU announced it is renovating its somewhat aging stadium for $105 million, and it will be completed in nine months. The school (enrollment: 8,700) said the entire project was funded by 34 donors. 34. sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/news/story?id=5468732stadium.tcu.edu |
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? Lic is already in midseason form! That one is worthy of Yogi.
