Practice Facility

[skyhoya]

yes, 33 oil barons, one judge. GU - no oil barons, tons of judges

[DFW HOYA]

Aug 17, 2010 15:38:18 GMT -5 skyhoya said:

yes, 33 oil barons, one judge. GU - no oil barons, tons of judges

TCU wasn't built with oil, but it has hearty support from businessmen in the FW community, who will be the first to tell you that they're not from Dallas, and not all of them even went to TCU, but support the impact it has with the community.

TCU didn't wait for one donor to step forward and carry the project, they went to a group of people who each gave significant commitments to ensure that it wouldn't be left on the shoulders of one man.

Result? It's getting built, in just nine months, and it's a visible commitment to its head coach to re-up at TCU and not look elsewhere.

[rosslynhoya]

Aug 17, 2010 15:46:18 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Result? It's getting built, in just nine months

That's just enough time for Georgetown to file its first and second environmental impact assessment!

How long's it been since Georgetown completed a facility from scratch in under three years? Anyone who gives money to Georgetown to build any facility is trusting that half his donation won't be frittered away on lawyers and regulatory compliance in that span of time.

[lichoya68]

the business school got done pretty quickly not sure how quick from beginning to end but relatively quickly the reason in my humble opinion.. MONEY yup MONEY lets get that practice facility buildt asap need it need it for the team and all sports and to keep jt3 go hoyas ;D ;D ;D

[Dhall]

... and the law school has put up nice buildings in short timeframes also. Gee, what a crazy world we live in where the business school and the law school can get things done but the sailing team and softball team are hung out to dry. Wish we were TCU.

[HometownHoya]

ATF is our next project, that will include new tennis courts (on the roof maybe), major steps forward on MSF, and preparations for an eventual remodel of Yates.

The University is making major moves in the 21st Century...starting with SW Quad and Leo's Hall, moving on the the B-School, next the Science Building, then ATF (plus many smaller athletic projects), then a renovation of Healy (well mostly Old North and the old Jes Res, (Gelardin?), then finally a new Yates.

In 40 years this place will look nothing like it did 10 years ago.

[DFW HOYA]

Aug 18, 2010 9:55:24 GMT -5 HometownHoya said:

ATF is our next project, that will include new tennis courts (on the roof maybe), major steps forward on MSF, and preparations for an eventual remodel of Yates.

The University is making major moves in the 21st Century...starting with SW Quad and Leo's Hall, moving on the the B-School, next the Science Building, then ATF (plus many smaller athletic projects), then a renovation of Healy (well mostly Old North and the old Jes Res, (Gelardin?), then finally a new Yates.

In 40 years this place will look nothing like it did 10 years ago.

MSF has to be the next project--it's closer to funding and the construction footprint fro the ATF requires completing the MSF.

But in 40 years, this place will look a lot like it does now, for the simple fact that there is no place left to build and people are terrified of tearing down anything (Village A, New South, and Harbin, step forward).

Facilities wise, Georgetown has three choices ahead:

1. Status quo and renovate.
2. Tear down.
3. Find/build a new campus.

[rosslynhoya]

Aug 18, 2010 6:48:34 GMT -5 lichoya68 said:

the business school got done pretty quickly not sure how quick from beginning to end but relatively quickly the reason in my humble opinion.. MONEY yup MONEY lets get that practice facility buildt asap need it need it for the team and all sports and to keep jt3 go hoyas ;D ;D ;D

It took nearly three years from groundbreaking, on a relatively empty plot of land. That's relatively quickly only from a DC construction point-of-view.

I did honestly forget about the GULC buildings though; it's not impossible for the University to find the needed wherewithal to go along with the funds.

[Frank Black]

Aug 18, 2010 10:37:05 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Aug 18, 2010 9:55:24 GMT -5 HometownHoya said:

ATF is our next project, that will include new tennis courts (on the roof maybe), major steps forward on MSF, and preparations for an eventual remodel of Yates.

The University is making major moves in the 21st Century...starting with SW Quad and Leo's Hall, moving on the the B-School, next the Science Building, then ATF (plus many smaller athletic projects), then a renovation of Healy (well mostly Old North and the old Jes Res, (Gelardin?), then finally a new Yates.

In 40 years this place will look nothing like it did 10 years ago.

MSF has to be the next project--it's closer to funding and the construction footprint fro the ATF requires completing the MSF.

But in 40 years, this place will look a lot like it does now, for the simple fact that there is no place left to build and people are terrified of tearing down anything (Village A, New South, and Harbin, step forward).

Facilities wise, Georgetown has three choices ahead:

1. Status quo and renovate.
2. Tear down.
3. Find/build a new campus.

DFW, if you ever EVER intimate that you want to see Harbin Hall destroyed, YOU will be the one destroyed. That's not a threat, that's a promise.

[SoCalHoya]

Aug 18, 2010 10:37:05 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Aug 18, 2010 9:55:24 GMT -5 HometownHoya said:

ATF is our next project, that will include new tennis courts (on the roof maybe), major steps forward on MSF, and preparations for an eventual remodel of Yates.

The University is making major moves in the 21st Century...starting with SW Quad and Leo's Hall, moving on the the B-School, next the Science Building, then ATF (plus many smaller athletic projects), then a renovation of Healy (well mostly Old North and the old Jes Res, (Gelardin?), then finally a new Yates.

In 40 years this place will look nothing like it did 10 years ago.

MSF has to be the next project--it's closer to funding and the construction footprint fro the ATF requires completing the MSF.

But in 40 years, this place will look a lot like it does now, for the simple fact that there is no place left to build and people are terrified of tearing down anything (Village A, New South, and Harbin, step forward).

Facilities wise, Georgetown has three choices ahead:

1. Status quo and renovate.
2. Tear down.
3. Find/build a new campus.

Along the lines of what Frank Black said, New South holds a place near and dear to my heart. It is just incomprehensible to ever think of tearing that place down.

OK just kidding. I have lots of super fond memories of my time in New South (and on its roof!), but if the University ever wants to put something better (or even just nicer-looking) in its place, I'll bring a sledgehammer and shovel.

[The Stig]

Actually, having lived in New South and then the SW Quad, I think New South is actually the better dorm. Not just more fun, but nicer rooms and everything. You don't realize how great that sink in the room is until you don't have it over in the Quad.

Mind you, this is post-renovation New South. And yes, it does look like a warehouse with windows on the outside.

This is just my personal opinion, but south of the ICC I think the only building that should be torn down and rebuilt is Lauinger. Everything else can get by with renovation, starting with the old Jes Res.

Moving further north, the ICC is like Yates - it's so flawed that it would probably be better to replace it instead of renovating, but tearing it down and building something else on the spot would be a nightmare project. Still, it'll have to be done at some point. White Gravenor needs a renovation, but it's worth keeping. Reiss is expendable. Henle is like Village A - not pretty to look at, but a cool concept. Renovate it. Darnall is like New South - most people love it and loathe it at the same time. On one hand it's a clear candidate for the wrecking ball, but given the success of the New South renovation, it might be worth doing on Darnall as well. St. Mary's was recently renovated, but it's nothing special.

[HometownHoya]

Aug 18, 2010 10:37:05 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Aug 18, 2010 9:55:24 GMT -5 HometownHoya said:

ATF is our next project, that will include new tennis courts (on the roof maybe), major steps forward on MSF, and preparations for an eventual remodel of Yates.

The University is making major moves in the 21st Century...starting with SW Quad and Leo's Hall, moving on the the B-School, next the Science Building, then ATF (plus many smaller athletic projects), then a renovation of Healy (well mostly Old North and the old Jes Res, (Gelardin?), then finally a new Yates.

In 40 years this place will look nothing like it did 10 years ago.

MSF has to be the next project--it's closer to funding and the construction footprint fro the ATF requires completing the MSF.

But in 40 years, this place will look a lot like it does now, for the simple fact that there is no place left to build and people are terrified of tearing down anything (Village A, New South, and Harbin, step forward).

Facilities wise, Georgetown has three choices ahead:

1. Status quo and renovate.
2. Tear down.
3. Find/build a new campus.

Sorry I meant more the other side of campus...Healey, Copley, ICC, White Gravenor, Harbin, Vil C, and New South shouldn't be changed...maybe interior renovations but the exterior will be the same.

Some day they will hopefully renovate the library, even if it is a historical landmark . Vil A apartments are outdated and need to be renovated, I doubt they will re-do the entire structure, probably just the interiors.

Gervase, Mulledy, Ryan, and Maguire all NEED to be renovated inside because it is all wasted space and is a PRIME location. Dorms seem like the best idea with the new MSB and Science buildings but they can but in offices, classrooms or anything there.

McDonough will most likely be gone with the new ATF, Yates needs to be rebuilt (new pool, student facilities, offices, ROOF, etc.), the MSF better not look how it does now, and once the Science Building is finished the landscaping throughout the Center (what I consider the Center, around MSF) of campus will look very different then it did when that area was a baseball field/parking lot/construction area.

Sorry, I wasn't clear with MSF...I believe that the EARLY steps of the ATF will be finishing the stands, entrances, etc. but I don't feel like the University has shown that it will do the landscaping/final polish until after some of the nearby construction has finished. Also, what are the chances that the ATF and MSF stands are connected in some way? I know the Heating and Cooling Plant is mostly in the way but if they are building it on the tennis courts then maybe they could create some type of promenade, Leavy Style, to connect to the top of the stands.

Also, on the Heating and Cooling Plant...that seems like a pretty large structure taking up a lot of land. I've never seen the inside, is it pretty crowded or could they move it into a smaller/newer structure.

Keep in mind I'm thinking about the next 50+ years worth of construction...not just the next 10 and our next couple of projects.

Stig is on the right track, I guess now that you mention it Harbin needs to be redone too but thats pretty low on the list. ICC is flawed but it gets the job done better then many other areas in the University so that can wait also. (Especially if they can get those solar panels working). St. Marys does not need to be touched. All of the freshman dorms obviously aren't the nicest in the world, but they are freshman dorms. I assume the University has a cycle for replacing/renovating the rooms but they don't need to be wrecking the entire buildings. Finally, I agree with you about Reiss being expendable...the space is needed until the Science Building is finished but after that I'm not sure. I can't see it being too much of a priority because it is still usable space. They could do a complete renovation (or rebuild depending on what is cheaper) and give it to the Economics department (as well as other uses). The auditoriums on the first floor are big enough for most Freshman lectures.

[skyhoya]

why don't we have the Vatican just buy up all the residences on that one side of campus and tear then down and rebuild what the school needs? Divine intervention !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or tell the city that GU is moving to Virginia unless they use eminent domain to get rid of the neighbors?

[EasyEd]

How about an Iman funding a meeting place with a practice facility on the ground floors? It's far enough from the Pentagon where there should be no trouble.

[Deleted]

Aug 18, 2010 15:10:24 GMT -5 EasyEd said:

How about an Iman funding a meeting place with a practice facility on the ground floors? It's far enough from the Pentagon where there should be no trouble.

Good idea - she's got plenty of money.

www.vibeweekly.com/mainsite/images/stories/slides/eababes/iman.jpg

[Bando]

Aug 18, 2010 11:21:56 GMT -5 Frank Black said:

Aug 18, 2010 10:37:05 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

MSF has to be the next project--it's closer to funding and the construction footprint fro the ATF requires completing the MSF.

But in 40 years, this place will look a lot like it does now, for the simple fact that there is no place left to build and people are terrified of tearing down anything (Village A, New South, and Harbin, step forward).

Facilities wise, Georgetown has three choices ahead:

1. Status quo and renovate.
2. Tear down.
3. Find/build a new campus.

DFW, if you ever EVER intimate that you want to see Harbin Hall destroyed, YOU will be the one destroyed. That's not a threat, that's a promise.

I don't know. For an urban campus, GU has made some really crappy urban design decisions, Harbin among them. You have a tower surrounded by a concrete plaza that no one uses and is extremely ugly. It seems like a giant waste of space. Although I guess priority should be given to razing the Brutalist monstrosities (Lauinger, New South) first.

[DFW HOYA]

Meanwhile, Wisconsin is seeking funds for a new atheltic training and performance facility. Cost: $76.8 million.

"The plans call for two tunnels to be built, connecting the new locker room in the proposed performance center and the stadium to the antiquated McClain Center, constructed in 1988."

sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5474330

[skyhoya]

Taxpayers money, not private funding.

[RusskyHoya]

FWIW, DeGioia has said that the plan for Reiss is to "lovingly gut it" once the Science Center is operational. Presumably, it would then house various administrative offices, maybe a couple of departments like math and psychology.

The university realizes it is effectively out of space; Alan Brangman has said as much. The most likely scenario, from where I'm sitting, is:

1. Auxiliary administrative offices continue to get moved off campus, as the offices in the Harris Building and the Georgetown Conference Center have been. GW is pursuing this strategy (see media.www.gwhatchet.com/media/storage/paper332/news/2010/03/01/News/University.Mulls.Expansion.Of.Virginia.Campus-3881777.shtml )

2. The Medical Center and Medical School, having been sold off by MedStar, is moved to another location. The current Medical Center/School space is converted to Main Campus use. Howard Federoff already forecast this (see www.thehoya.com/news/campaign-unfinished/ )

[HoyaSinceBirth]

Frankly moving the hospital may be in the hospital's best interest since it's location isn't exactly ideal for high traffic. Not on a major road and not near the highway with 2 other hospitals: sibley and GW that compete for patients.

It'd take years upon years, and I don't know if medstar can afford to build a whole new hospital right now, but down the line could definitely see this happening and benefiting everyone.