hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jun 17, 2010 9:23:55 GMT -5
Last hurrah for this group of Celtics. They won't make the finals again. Hope they can close it out tonight.
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 17, 2010 12:09:09 GMT -5
Think Kerr did much better than so so. He had Shaq forced on him last year, and rebuilt the Suns this year back into a team that, pretty much unexpectedly, challenged for the Western Conference title. I gather he must be fed up with Sarver. The Suns' loss is TNT's gain. Disagree. He traded for Shaq, tried to make Suns into a defensive team and this year they ended up where they were prior to his arrival and philosophical change--so he wasted time with their best players--they are about to lose their best asset--a young All Star PF, and while I don't think they'd have beaten the Lakers in any of those seasons the past few years--the fact you went back to type of roster/style that was installed prior to your arrival as a GM--is a sign of failure and trading for Shaq was beyond moronic. I give him "so-so" simply for having enough intelligence and modesty to admit he screwed up and rectify it. Kerr to TNT is outstanding. Kerr as GM---not so much. My understanding is that Sarver forced the Shaq deal on Kerr, who didn't really support it. If that's true, then I don't see how you can blame him for it. If not true, then you're right.
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Post by RDF on Jun 17, 2010 13:32:40 GMT -5
Disagree. He traded for Shaq, tried to make Suns into a defensive team and this year they ended up where they were prior to his arrival and philosophical change--so he wasted time with their best players--they are about to lose their best asset--a young All Star PF, and while I don't think they'd have beaten the Lakers in any of those seasons the past few years--the fact you went back to type of roster/style that was installed prior to your arrival as a GM--is a sign of failure and trading for Shaq was beyond moronic. I give him "so-so" simply for having enough intelligence and modesty to admit he screwed up and rectify it. Kerr to TNT is outstanding. Kerr as GM---not so much. My understanding is that Sarver forced the Shaq deal on Kerr, who didn't really support it. If that's true, then I don't see how you can blame him for it. If not true, then you're right. That was a Steve Kerr move--and he tried to build Suns into a "Spurs like defensive team"-which was a complete failure and couldn't happen with personnel they have. Now if they would've kept Rondo instead of moving him--they'd have been able to do that.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 17, 2010 21:15:03 GMT -5
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 17, 2010 21:15:17 GMT -5
Is this game as big an abomination as it appears to be on the computer? This one could make the Knicks/Rockets game 7 look like an offensive masterpiece.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jun 17, 2010 21:47:55 GMT -5
Is this game as big an abomination as it appears to be on the computer? This one could make the Knicks/Rockets game 7 look like an offensive masterpiece. Oh yeah. It's ugly.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 17, 2010 22:55:17 GMT -5
37 - 17.
Credit due to LA for tough defense in the 4th, when the absence of Kendrick Perkins' minutes did in the Celtics big men, who ran out of gas.
David Stern must be thrilled that Ron Artest thanked his psychiatrist instead of either God or his wife.
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ceshoya
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Post by ceshoya on Jun 17, 2010 23:27:11 GMT -5
As a Laker fan, watching Ray Allen put up brick after brick in Game 7 of the Finals.....well, it somehow exorcised the ghost of that BS shot he hit in "96. At least for me....
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Jun 18, 2010 0:36:09 GMT -5
Gasol made plays down stretch---but Artest is exactly the type of guy you want on your side in a game like tonight--because he's insane--and won't feel pressure--he played like it too.
Thought best players on court when it mattered were: Artest, Gasol, and Bryant, and for Celtics: Rasheed, Rondo, and Allen.
Those were the 3 guys who didn't worry about anything other then just playing and sucked it up.
KG--had a nice game going--but tonight is the exact reason I've ALWAYS ripped him to shreds. Game 7 of Finals, 4th Quarter, and he's absolutely a complete non factor on both ends. The ball was hot potato for Garnett and it's my biggest issue with people who call him a Franchise Player--he's a nice sidekick and never was a player who was worthy of the hype he got. Rasheed Wallace fouling out was biggest factor in 4th--because after that--Celtics had nobody upfront to do anything. How you can relegate to being a bystander, just dont' understand.
Entertaining 4th Quarter of one of the ugliest games I've seen--but it the players left it on court and it was a fun last 2 minutes for certain.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 18, 2010 7:15:36 GMT -5
Hey, that was cool! Good to see all our guys looking good and happy.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 18, 2010 7:19:28 GMT -5
Hey, it was an exciting series with some close, hard fought games and it went 7. What more could you ask? (other than a return to relevance for the Knicks for the first time since Pat. Sr. left!)
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 18, 2010 12:25:25 GMT -5
Something actually resembling basketball as opposed to a tractor pull.
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 18, 2010 12:25:58 GMT -5
37 - 17. Credit due to LA for tough defense in the 4th, when the absence of Kendrick Perkins' minutes did in the Celtics big men, who ran out of gas. David Stern must be thrilled that Ron Artest thanked his psychiatrist instead of either God or his wife. Wah, wah, wah. Most of that discrepancy occurred in the fourth quarter, when the Celtics were fouling like crazy, and hard. Plus, as is ever the case, there will be a free throw shooting discrepancy when one team keeps taking the ball to the rack and the other settles for jumpers. The Lakers were on the wrong end of a few games like that during these playoffs. I also don't want to hear any complaints about Perkins missing, since the Lakers played with a limited Bynum throughout the playoffs. Kobe turned what could have been a real whack on his legacy into a mild positive with his defense and rebounding, and at least in the fourth quarter he remembered how to shoot free throws. I hope we've heard the last about Gasol being soft. He can have a bad game like anyone else, but that's just no longer a valid rap. And freaking Ron-Ron. He was the Lakers' best player in games 6 and 7, and I didn't imagine I would ever be writing something like that. I about died when he thanked his shrink. I'd like to invite Ron-Ron over for dinner. Maybe he can even bring a few Georgetown girls along.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 18, 2010 12:30:42 GMT -5
No complaints here, just quoting a stat. Did you actually notice the compliment about the Lakers' D or did you just conveniently ignore it? No complaint about Perkins missing either, just an observation that the Celts front line ran out of gas without him. Touchy touchy touchy...
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Post by vcjack on Jun 18, 2010 12:48:28 GMT -5
That was probably the worst game 7 in the history of sports, and that's true if Boston had won too.
But championships don't come with one game, LA deserved it and hats off to them (especially Phil Jackson) for an entertaining season.
Now onto the craziest free agent scramble in recent history!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 18, 2010 13:44:30 GMT -5
Can we not make this about Kobe? Aside from a half, he was pretty awful all Finals and is deserving of the credit he's getting.
This series was a lot more about Bynum and Gasol than Kobe.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jun 18, 2010 14:06:13 GMT -5
Pau deserved Finals MVP. Kobe had one good game.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 18, 2010 15:11:29 GMT -5
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 18, 2010 15:18:11 GMT -5
No complaints here, just quoting a stat. Did you actually notice the compliment about the Lakers' D or did you just conveniently ignore it? No complaint about Perkins missing either, just an observation that the Celts front line ran out of gas without him. Touchy touchy touchy... I ignored it. I just tend to be hypersensitive about Laker/Celtic stuff. My time in law school in Boston in the '70's poisoned me on the Celtics forever. I can still hear Johnny Most, the biggest homer announcer in sports history, screaming "they're calling it the other way" every time the refs had the gall to call a foul on a Celtic player. One last thing - not long after the Lakers stole, err, acquired Gasol from Memphis, I wrote here that I didn't expect the Lakers to win the title that year (and I think I may have been the only person in LA who actually expected the Celtics to win that year), but that I anticipated they would win 2 or 3 titles in the ensuing five years. When I wrote that, I anticipated Bynum being healthy, but nevertheless, that's two in. And this one is particularly satisfying, because I really didn't see it coming at the start of the playoffs, and because it came against the Celtics. BTW, I wish Perkins a speedy recovery. He seems like a real stand-up guy.
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 18, 2010 15:21:11 GMT -5
Pau deserved Finals MVP. Kobe had one good game. Well, maybe. I would have been fine with that, but I don't think that Kobe's defensive contributions can be ignored. Rondo was the key to the Celtics, and he only had one stand-out game. I think the bulk of the credit for that goes to Kobe.
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