Georgetown 66 St. John's 59 Discussion

[tashoya]

Henry was the story of 2 halves. 1st half he was good. Though he needs to get lower on defense. WAY too upright. 2nd half he had a tough go. However, his 1st half was the best I've seen him. Staying on his man on D and not picking up quick, silly fouls almost immediately. Additionally, his passing was spot-on. He's coming around kids. This is great news.

I also believe that Hollis is gonna flourish and soon. All of the questions about depth (though I am less concerned than most) are gonna be focused on Hollis first. I think within the month that you'll see all of the facets of the kid's game and he's already playing pretty well even though he's not scoring. 2010 has lots of promise for these Hoyas and I'm pumped. They were fun to watch tonight. Great energy. No give up in these kids. NONE. Zero. And I couldn't be happier watching that happen. Chris is a new person. He's fast and slow at the same time. He's providing what the team needs at every given time. You want points? OK. Chris provides. You want a sweet pass? There ya go. Drive and dish? No problem. Best game I've seen Chris play. No bad decisions. All effort (as always). And really pacing the squad.

Julian flat-out gets after it and it fuels this team. I can't decide if I'm more impressed with Julian's jump in skills or the jump in his role on this team. Julian lets Greg use his skills and is first on the boards and first on the floor for a loose ball. Love the kid. Phenomenally fortunate transfer for us. He's been absolutely great.

Greg is averaging a double double. What else could you want. Oh, wait. The kid passes like Jason Kidd. The bullet he threw from the top of the key over the defender's right shoulder was ridiculous. Keep doing your thing Greg. And work on that 3 ball. You're really close to stroking it consistently.

Free has been a rock. He's so quiet about doing his work that I don't even think the other team knows he's killing em. I was a little worried in the beginning of the game about Freak as he wasn't moving well on O or D for maybe the first 4 minutes but really stepped it up. He's been great all year and I think he's going to have some games that are going to make us, collectively, say, "Wow!"

Jason needs to shoot more. So does Hollis. And Jason needs to get back to pulling the trigger as opposed to the long load-up and shoot but, again, his defense was really, really good. Ripping down boards, getting in passing lanes.... great stuff.

I love this squad. They look like they're having fun and they're getting after it in a huge way. I have no expectations but really good feelings about these Hoyas. All the best to the guys and to all in 2010. Hoya Saxa!

[Nevada Hoya]

I hope Julian is okay after bouncing his head off the floor once or twice. Great effort, but that takes your breath away.

[Johnny Jungle]

Dec 31, 2009 15:31:12 GMT -5 kchoya said:

Dec 31, 2009 2:17:29 GMT -5 Johnny Jungle said:

Fired up?!?!!!

Can't wait. Georgetown has been more impressive than I would have thought this year. Sorry I don't think too highly of the hoyas. I certainly respect you guys but I just don't see them as a top 25 team. It will be interesting to see the tempo early on in this game and who sets it early.

Every time I hear that, I wonder, where are the 25 teams that are better? How many teams can say they've done the equivalent of beating UW, Butler and Temple (only one at home)? I can't imagine there are 10 teams that can.

Oh certainly not disputing your accomplishments. Those are all good wins even though I think Butler is overrated too (much like Siena is). I didn't think you were going to be Washington and Temple is playing good ball right now but I'm not exactly sure how they're doing it.

Some team who I think are top 25 that aren't....Miami, UAB, Florida, Georgia Tech, Cincinnati, and Okalahoma St.(they are better than they've played).

It's all whatever though. Fact is Georgetown deserves their ranking but I do think that the ball has just bounced your way so far. I don't see the backcourt holding up over the course of the Big East season and I don't think Monroe can piggy back the team either. I hope I'm wrong and you guys help out our RPI. ;D

[JohnnyJones]

Jan 1, 2010 1:48:24 GMT -5 Johnny Jungle said:

Dec 31, 2009 15:31:12 GMT -5 kchoya said:

Every time I hear that, I wonder, where are the 25 teams that are better? How many teams can say they've done the equivalent of beating UW, Butler and Temple (only one at home)? I can't imagine there are 10 teams that can.

Oh certainly not disputing your accomplishments. Those are all good wins even though I think Butler is overrated too (much like Siena is). I didn't think you were going to be Washington and Temple is playing good ball right now but I'm not exactly sure how they're doing it.

Some team who I think are top 25 that aren't....Miami, UAB, Florida, Georgia Tech, Cincinnati, and Okalahoma St.(they are better than they've played).

It's all whatever though. Fact is Georgetown deserves their ranking but I do think that the ball has just bounced your way so far. I don't see the backcourt holding up over the course of the Big East season and I don't think Monroe can piggy back the team either. I hope I'm wrong and you guys help out our RPI. ;D

I can certainly understand you questioning whether Georgetown is the 13th best team in the country - but based on our resume / performance to date, it seems kind of silly to suggest the Hoyas do not deserve a Top 25 ranking. As of right now, Georgetown has an RPI of 8, a SOS of 24 and 5 wins over teams in the top 26 RPI. Its one loss is against a top 30 RPI team. On top of that, with the possible exception of Temple shooting horribly from the free throw line back in mid-November, none of Georgetown's 10 wins (or one loss) had anything to do with luck or fortunate bounces, so not quite sure what you are talking about.

On edit -- FYI: RPI stats taken from:

www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2010/rpi

And how about my other alma mater the William & Mary Tribe!

[sleepy]

What he means by winning because of fortunate bounces is that he didn't think we were a good enough team to win some of the games we won. So when we did infact win them, it was because we were lucky and didn't actually deserve to win them. I mean he couldn't possibly be wrong about how good of a team we are, we have just been lucky the last two months. Just like that 2008 team was always so lucky to pull out games two years ago, and last year we really only lost because we had some unfortunate bounces go against us late in games.

[MCIGuy]

Jan 1, 2010 1:48:24 GMT -5 Johnny Jungle said:

Dec 31, 2009 15:31:12 GMT -5 kchoya said:

Every time I hear that, I wonder, where are the 25 teams that are better? How many teams can say they've done the equivalent of beating UW, Butler and Temple (only one at home)? I can't imagine there are 10 teams that can.

Oh certainly not disputing your accomplishments. Those are all good wins even though I think Butler is overrated too (much like Siena is). I didn't think you were going to be Washington and Temple is playing good ball right now but I'm not exactly sure how they're doing it.

Some team who I think are top 25 that aren't....Miami, UAB, Florida, Georgia Tech, Cincinnati, and Okalahoma St.(they are better than they've played).

It's all whatever though. Fact is Georgetown deserves their ranking but I do think that the ball has just bounced your way so far. I don't see the backcourt holding up over the course of the Big East season and I don't think Monroe can piggy back the team either. I hope I'm wrong and you guys help out our RPI. ;D

The UAB that just lost to Virginia? The Florida that has lost about five games so far? Georgia Tech and Miami who haven't beaten anyone?

Your comments are a joke, pretty much like your program the last eight years. Its one thing if a fan from a good team had talked some smack to us, but you have some balls to judge Gtown's team considering you are a fan of a team who probably hasn't even smelled an NCAA tourney since last century. Your program is so out of sorts the school was even too cheap to fire Stormin' Norman (does he ever not look angry on the sidelines) despite the fact he helped keep your Johnnies at the bottom of the BE all these years. III and Stormin' started in the Big East the same season. Compare III's results to your guy's. Nuff said. Fact is despite last season in which the Hoyas GAVE AWAY a game to your pathetic bunch and a week later seemed to have no enthusiasm in another loss to St John's, III has owned Norman.

Your St John's team is not even as impressive as Old Dominion.

[lichoya68]

congrat we won its a new year and in my humble opinioin st johns is VERY good yup threes hustle defense they will win a few games in the big east and were without two stars.. go hoyas ITS 2010 beat depaul please keep it rolling ;D

[lichoya68]

as barker said last year they outmuscled us over and over julian adn others changed that this year VERY DIFFERENT ...

[GUJook97]

Went to the game last night. The biggest thing I took away was how entertaining it was. Both teams played incredibly hard and were very much into the game. Kudos to St. Johns for bringing their game. Norm Roberts was going crazy on the side line. I agree, lic, they are a good team. That was a very satisfying win.

[mapei]

Norm Roberts was an absolute wild man - I hadn't noticed that before.

[Filo]

Jan 1, 2010 5:38:30 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

Jan 1, 2010 1:48:24 GMT -5 Johnny Jungle said:

Oh certainly not disputing your accomplishments. Those are all good wins even though I think Butler is overrated too (much like Siena is). I didn't think you were going to be Washington and Temple is playing good ball right now but I'm not exactly sure how they're doing it.

Some team who I think are top 25 that aren't....Miami, UAB, Florida, Georgia Tech, Cincinnati, and Okalahoma St.(they are better than they've played).

It's all whatever though. Fact is Georgetown deserves their ranking but I do think that the ball has just bounced your way so far. I don't see the backcourt holding up over the course of the Big East season and I don't think Monroe can piggy back the team either. I hope I'm wrong and you guys help out our RPI. ;D

The UAB that just lost to Virginia? The Florida that has lost about five games so far? Georgia Tech and Miami who haven't beaten anyone?

Your comments are a joke, pretty much like your program the last eight years. Its one thing if a fan from a good team had talked some smack to us, but you have some balls to judge Gtown's team considering you are a fan of a team who probably hasn't even smelled an NCAA tourney since last century. Your program is so out of sorts the school was even too cheap to fire Stormin' Norman (does he ever not look angry on the sidelines) despite the fact he helped keep your Johnnies at the bottom of the BE all these years. III and Stormin' started in the Big East the same season. Compare III's results to your guy's. Nuff said. Fact is despite last season in which the Hoyas GAVE AWAY a game to your pathetic bunch and a week later seemed to have no enthusiasm in another loss to St John's, III has owned Norman.

Your St John's team is not even as impressive as Old Dominion.

What he said. LOL.

The ball is bouncing the Hoyas way because, unlike last year, they are winning games they are supposed to be winning. Makes perfect sense

[FLHoya]

Jan 1, 2010 11:17:52 GMT -5 mapei said:

Norm Roberts was an absolute wild man - I hadn't noticed that before.

HAHA yep, the only thing that kept Norm from getting a technical foul on at least two occasions was that referee Jeff Clark was abnormally patient when Norm was screaming in his ear, and Clark actually did one of those "whatever" shrugs when he left Norm. Norm was screaming at Clark about something Jim Burr called anyway.

Chances are if Curtis Shaw worked the game Norm gets run from the sideline in the first half.

[Hoya50]

Jan 1, 2010 11:17:52 GMT -5 mapei said:

Norm Roberts was an absolute wild man - I hadn't noticed that before.

norm's antics smacks of desperation.

[MCIGuy]

Jan 1, 2010 12:43:49 GMT -5 Hoya50 said:

Jan 1, 2010 11:17:52 GMT -5 mapei said:

Norm Roberts was an absolute wild man - I hadn't noticed that before.

norm's antics smacks of desperation.

At least the dude at Seton Hall isn't scowling the entire game and giving the refs the "go die" stare.


Anyway here's a quote from Justin Burrell of St. John's:


"I still think we're the better team," said Justin Burrell, who scored nine points in his return from a high ankle sprain suffered against Duke on Dec. 5. "We should have won this game. We didn't make the important shots when we needed them."

Read more: www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/2010/01/01/2010-01-01_storm_falls_short.html#ixzz0bNymuMP6

There's a "star" player on a certain team in College Park that makes the exact same claim about his squad being the better one after nearly every loss. Very classy and further proof why St John's has a collection of losers. You don't ever read quotes by our Hoyas after losses mentioning how they think they were the better team. If you are the better team then by all means win the game. But if for some reason you can't walk away with a victory show enough respect for your opponent to keep your mouth shut. You can think of yourself as being on the better team without having to tell that to the media after a loss. I tend to pull for the catholic schools in the Big East but I can't pull for the group of morons on St. John's. Even its roid rage coach talks a little too much when he claims his team can beat any team in the country. But Stormin' Norman also should know it could lose to any team in the country too which means ultimately the Johnnies aren't so great after all. Has he led St. John's even to an NIT appearance yet?

I wonder if players on Marquette were claiming to be the better team after giving away a game to West Virginia?

[CWS]

Someone already alluded this, but just to echo it: the crowd actually started to do a collective cheer at one point late in the game, when St. John's was going on their run. "Let's go Hoyas, clap --- clap --- clap, clap clap". It was the first time that I remember that happening without the students and/or cheerleaders being there. As you looked around the lower bowl you could actually see most people joining in with the clapping. Impressive.

[hoyainspirit]

Jan 1, 2010 5:38:30 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

The UAB that just lost to Virginia? The Florida that has lost about five games so far? Georgia Tech and Miami who haven't beaten anyone?

Your comments are a joke, pretty much like your program the last eight years. Its one thing if a fan from a good team had talked some smack to us, but you have some balls to judge Gtown's team considering you are a fan of a team who probably hasn't even smelled an NCAA tourney since last century. Your program is so out of sorts the school was even too cheap to fire Stormin' Norman (does he ever not look angry on the sidelines) despite the fact he helped keep your Johnnies at the bottom of the BE all these years. III and Stormin' started in the Big East the same season. Compare III's results to your guy's. Nuff said. Fact is despite last season in which the Hoyas GAVE AWAY a game to your pathetic bunch and a week later seemed to have no enthusiasm in another loss to St John's, III has owned Norman.

Your St John's team is not even as impressive as Old Dominion.

Frank Black lite. ;D Get him MCI. This guy is lucky FB decide to have 800 kids, or he would really be in trouble.

[MassHoya]

Although the crowd was not that big, they did get into it late in the second half and I think that helped the guys. We need a full house in Hoya gray and total support for UCONN. A lot of noise!!!

[Johnny Jungle]

Jan 1, 2010 5:38:30 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

Jan 1, 2010 1:48:24 GMT -5 Johnny Jungle said:

Oh certainly not disputing your accomplishments. Those are all good wins even though I think Butler is overrated too (much like Siena is). I didn't think you were going to be Washington and Temple is playing good ball right now but I'm not exactly sure how they're doing it.

Some team who I think are top 25 that aren't....Miami, UAB, Florida, Georgia Tech, Cincinnati, and Okalahoma St.(they are better than they've played).

It's all whatever though. Fact is Georgetown deserves their ranking but I do think that the ball has just bounced your way so far. I don't see the backcourt holding up over the course of the Big East season and I don't think Monroe can piggy back the team either. I hope I'm wrong and you guys help out our RPI. ;D

The UAB that just lost to Virginia? The Florida that has lost about five games so far? Georgia Tech and Miami who haven't beaten anyone?

Your comments are a joke, pretty much like your program the last eight years. Its one thing if a fan from a good team had talked some smack to us, but you have some balls to judge Gtown's team considering you are a fan of a team who probably hasn't even smelled an NCAA tourney since last century. Your program is so out of sorts the school was even too cheap to fire Stormin' Norman (does he ever not look angry on the sidelines) despite the fact he helped keep your Johnnies at the bottom of the BE all these years. III and Stormin' started in the Big East the same season. Compare III's results to your guy's. Nuff said. Fact is despite last season in which the Hoyas GAVE AWAY a game to your pathetic bunch and a week later seemed to have no enthusiasm in another loss to St John's, III has owned Norman.

Your St John's team is not even as impressive as Old Dominion.

Wow! Not sure how things got so hostile. I'm a friendly rival who has been posting here for a few years now just adding to discussion.

Just because I don't think highly of Georgetown doesn't diminish anything that they have accomplished. I should have reiterated that they are certainly deserving of their rank at this point in the season but when I say I don't think they're top 25 I'm thinking at the end of the season.

As for St. John's I'm not too focused on last year or last 10 years nor am I trying to compare them or our coaches to Georgetown's. I'm focused on the now and I think we have some talent. Enough talent to make some noise in the Big East this year. I think you and others here can admit the Johnnies have some solid weapons on the floor.

[Johnny Jungle]

Jan 1, 2010 13:29:52 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

Jan 1, 2010 12:43:49 GMT -5 Hoya50 said:

norm's antics smacks of desperation.

At least the dude at Seton Hall isn't scowling the entire game and giving the refs the "go die" stare.


Anyway here's a quote from Justin Burrell of St. John's:


"I still think we're the better team," said Justin Burrell, who scored nine points in his return from a high ankle sprain suffered against Duke on Dec. 5. "We should have won this game. We didn't make the important shots when we needed them."

Read more: www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/2010/01/01/2010-01-01_storm_falls_short.html#ixzz0bNymuMP6

There's a "star" player on a certain team in College Park that makes the exact same claim about his squad being the better one after nearly every loss. Very classy and further proof why St John's has a collection of losers. You don't ever read quotes by our Hoyas after losses mentioning how they think they were the better team. If you are the better team then by all means win the game. But if for some reason you can't walk away with a victory show enough respect for your opponent to keep your mouth shut. You can think of yourself as being on the better team without having to tell that to the media after a loss. I tend to pull for the catholic schools in the Big East but I can't pull for the group of morons on St. John's. Even its roid rage coach talks a little too much when he claims his team can beat any team in the country. But Stormin' Norman also should know it could lose to any team in the country too which means ultimately the Johnnies aren't so great after all. Has he led St. John's even to an NIT appearance yet?

I wonder if players on Marquette were claiming to be the better team after giving away a game to West Virginia?

You really don't like St. John's do you?

Jeez what is the kid supposed to say? "I think we're an inferior team and we should have lost."

Justin is a great kid and very selfless. Almost sometimes too selfless he needs to assert himself more because he can be a beast.

[Johnny Jungle]

Jan 1, 2010 11:17:52 GMT -5 mapei said:

Norm Roberts was an absolute wild man - I hadn't noticed that before.

There was a lot of contact going uncalled. Only thing there was a lot of contact both ways going uncalled. Just the way the game was played.

Another thing is that Higgins is the worst ref in college basketball. He makes some of the most inconsistent calls.

Also if anyone noticed before the end of the first half the Georgetown player was completely out of bounds and the refs missed it. St. John's should have gotten the ball with 2.3 ticks left. I had it on freeze frame on the DVR it was clear as day live and in replay.