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Post by EasyEd on Aug 31, 2009 16:31:21 GMT -5
Instead of complaining that the Democrats are trying to change the rules after the fact with the governor appointee, the Republicans in the MA legislature are now asking for a Nov. 3 election because it's more convenient than waiting all the number of days (145 or 160 or whatever) that the law of special elections actually requires and because December primaries would interfere with Christmas shopping or something. Amazing that they managed to lose the hypocrisy card so early on in this. Need a link. Is this the Republicans or one or two Republicans? The Democratic governor has specifically asked for the authority to appoint an interim Senator. Can you give us the names and numbers of the Republicans who want to change the 145-160 days? I doubt it's "the Republicans in the MA legislature". Prove me wrong. |
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Post by Jack on Aug 31, 2009 16:36:54 GMT -5
Instead of complaining that the Democrats are trying to change the rules after the fact with the governor appointee, the Republicans in the MA legislature are now asking for a Nov. 3 election because it's more convenient than waiting all the number of days (145 or 160 or whatever) that the law of special elections actually requires and because December primaries would interfere with Christmas shopping or something. Amazing that they managed to lose the hypocrisy card so early on in this. Need a link. Is this the Republicans or one or two Republicans? The Democratic governor has specifically asked for the authority to appoint an interim Senator. Can you give us the names and numbers of the Republicans who want to change the 145-160 days? I doubt it's "the Republicans in the MA legislature". Prove me wrong. One or two Republicans ARE "the Republicans in the MA legislature," or at least represent a quorom. |
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Post by TC on Aug 31, 2009 18:08:22 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Aug 31, 2009 21:32:06 GMT -5
So who cares that they are asking to move the election up? Didn't you just make your previous post irrelevant? |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Aug 31, 2009 21:34:59 GMT -5
The current MA breakdowns by party are as follows, citing Wikipedia:
House: 141-19
Senate: 35-5
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Post by TC on Aug 31, 2009 21:55:42 GMT -5
So who cares that they are asking to move the election up? Didn't you just make your previous post irrelevant? No one cares - they are irrelevant. My point was it was surprising how quickly they went from a situation where the Democrats were being complete hypocrites by trying to appoint an interim Senator once there's no Republican Governor, to a situation where both sides were being complete hypocrites because they were both seeking changes that would benefit them. |
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 1, 2009 6:31:18 GMT -5
So who cares that they are asking to move the election up? Didn't you just make your previous post irrelevant? No one cares - they are irrelevant. My point was it was surprising how quickly they went from a situation where the Democrats were being complete hypocrites by trying to appoint an interim Senator once there's no Republican Governor, to a situation where both sides were being complete hypocrites because they were both seeking changes that would benefit them. If I understand it correctly, one Republican floated the idea of moving the election to November 3. So, the entire Republican party is being accused of being hypocrites? |
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Post by kchoya on Sept 1, 2009 10:12:13 GMT -5
So who cares that they are asking to move the election up? Didn't you just make your previous post irrelevant? No one cares - they are irrelevant. My point was it was surprising how quickly they went from a situation where the Democrats were being complete hypocrites by trying to appoint an interim Senator once there's no Republican Governor, to a situation where both sides were being complete hypocrites because they were both seeking changes that would benefit them. How does the move up in date help the GOP? |
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Post by paranoia2 on Sept 1, 2009 10:23:00 GMT -5
The Republicans in Mass are as lonely and dead as a poor young woman at the bottom of a river left for 17 hours. My prayers are for the Kopoeckne family on a day where so many celebrate the life of a drunken murderer. May they finally get some closure.
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Post by TC on Sept 1, 2009 10:42:38 GMT -5
How does the move up in date help the GOP? Less campaigning and a standard election day with down-ballot races means that maybe, maybe, maybe you do better on turnout rather than Republicans staying home on the special election day because everyone knows they will lose. |
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Post by strummer8526 on Sept 1, 2009 11:14:13 GMT -5
The Republicans in Mass are as lonely and dead as a poor young woman at the bottom of a river left for 17 hours. My prayers are for the Kopoeckne family on a day where so many celebrate the life of a drunken murderer. May they finally get some closure. I don't remember ever seeing a post from you on the Blue & Gray board. What depraved hole did you drag yourself out of to give us this little gem? |
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Post by rosslynhoya on Sept 1, 2009 11:32:17 GMT -5
No one cares - they are irrelevant. My point was it was surprising how quickly they went from a situation where the Democrats were being complete hypocrites by trying to appoint an interim Senator once there's no Republican Governor, to a situation where both sides were being complete hypocrites because they were both seeking changes that would benefit them. If I understand it correctly, one Republican floated the idea of moving the election to November 3. So, the entire Republican party is being accused of being hypocrites? He suggested moving the election to Election Day?!? What a monster  Feels like a late season ACC conference game to me. Duke is down by 5, regulation ticking away, and the refs just keep on handing them the ball until the right outcome is achieved. |
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Post by paranoia2 on Sept 1, 2009 11:46:38 GMT -5
Depraved hole? I am sorry for having sympathy for a YOUNG woman's senseless death and feeling nothing for the guy that left her at the bottom of a river and lived a LONG life. In my opinion this man is a murderer that was never punished.
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Post by TC on Sept 1, 2009 11:54:09 GMT -5
He suggested moving the election to Election Day?!? What a monster Karyn is usually a she, but yes, moving the election to Election Day is just as bad because it's changing the rules after the fact to try to game things in your favor. But hey, maybe all overtimes should be 20 minutes long if it helps Duke. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 1, 2009 12:12:13 GMT -5
The Republicans in Mass are as lonely and dead as a poor young woman at the bottom of a river left for 17 hours. My prayers are for the Kopoeckne family on a day where so many celebrate the life of a drunken murderer. May they finally get some closure. You may be interested in praying for the right family for these purposes. I don't know no Kopoecknes. |
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Post by Boz on Sept 1, 2009 12:14:22 GMT -5
How is moviing the special election up to November's Election Day gaming the system to help Republicans?
No, really, I'm not being snarky. I mean that. I really don't see how it would be an advantage for Republicans, but if you have some thoughts on that, feel free.
I agree that it is changing the existing statute or whatever, sure, but I don't think I can see how it is changing it in favor of one party over the other (as opposed to, say, the Democrat governor naming a Democrat replacement right away).
As for the gleeful post earlier about the weight of the parties in the Massachusetts state government right now, well, if you're happy with that & a resident, good for you, but I think Massachusetts, as much as I enjoy visiting, would be one of the last places I'd consider moving to. You all know that I am a conservative, and therefore, support Republican philosophy most of the time. But I am not a Republican, and there is a difference between philosophy and practice. If the parties we have in place now have taught me one thing over the years, it is that neither of them can be trusted with an overwhelming majority. In my opinion, that only leads to one thing: bad news for the constituents. Sorry, two things: corruption and bad news for the constituents. (how many people was it again who got snared in the Wilkerson sting last year? I think it may have rivaled NY/NJ this year.)
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Post by TC on Sept 1, 2009 12:39:10 GMT -5
How is moviing the special election up to November's Election Day gaming the system to help Republicans? No, really, I'm not being snarky. I mean that. I really don't see how it would be an advantage for Republicans, but if you have some thoughts on that, feel free. In all seriousness without the snark : - Money - the Democrats in MA have it, Republican candidates don't. Less time to election day means less time in which money is an advantage and less money influencing the race in an effective manner. - Shortening the game - if you're a mid-major playing Duke, and you had the option of playing 5 minute halves rather than 20 minute halves, you do it. It increases the chances that your opponent makes a costly mistake and doesn't have the time to recover, and basically the Republicans would need that to win this seat. - Turnout - people will stay home in a special election for one office where Democrats are heavily favored and there are no down-ballot races. - Health Care as a motivating factor to vote for this race may be eliminated - health care might be decided by December which would remove it as a motivating factor to go and vote in January |
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Post by kchoya on Sept 1, 2009 13:02:26 GMT -5
How is moviing the special election up to November's Election Day gaming the system to help Republicans? No, really, I'm not being snarky. I mean that. I really don't see how it would be an advantage for Republicans, but if you have some thoughts on that, feel free. In all seriousness without the snark : - Money - the Democrats in MA have it, Republican candidates don't. Less time to election day means less time in which money is an advantage and less money influencing the race in an effective manner. - Shortening the game - if you're a mid-major playing Duke, and you had the option of playing 5 minute halves rather than 20 minute halves, you do it. It increases the chances that your opponent makes a costly mistake and don't have the time to recover, and basically the Republicans would need that to win this seat. - Turnout - people will stay home in a special election for one office where Democrats are heavily favored and there are no down-ballot races. - Health Care as a motivating factor to vote for this race may be eliminated - health care might be decided by December which would remove it as a motivating factor to go and vote in January C'mon. You're argument is like saying FIU has a better chance against UNC because the game is earlier in the season. In the end, it doesn't really matter. |
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Post by TC on Sept 1, 2009 14:13:39 GMT -5
C'mon. You're argument is like saying FIU has a better chance against UNC because the game is earlier in the season. In the end, it doesn't really matter. Probably not, but there's no way that UNC is going to play the game on FIU's home court. |
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Post by Elvado on Sept 1, 2009 14:50:58 GMT -5
When Harry Reid said "Teddy's death is going to help us", I couldn't help but think he was speaking the truth for the very first time since he went into public life.
I know that America's roads are safer without Senator Kennedy; that cocktail waitresses are safer now that Chris Dodd has lost his molesting partner; that women in Palm Beach are less likely to be assaulted by ne'er do well hanger on Kennedy cousins without Ted's patriarchal influence and that the world is simply a better place.
Good for you Seantor Reid.
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