cnyhoya
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Post by cnyhoya on Apr 22, 2009 10:37:25 GMT -5
I don't see panic in these moves at all. The team was just desperately thin after Dujuan & Omar departed. Even with Greg staying.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Coach is trying to shift the team chemistry equation a little too.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Apr 22, 2009 10:58:28 GMT -5
Far be it from me to upset the flow of "Welcome, Jerrelle!" posts and totally baseless comparisons to players who are far better than Benimon will ever be. Seriously? Like you said, we know very little about the kid. He could be the the next KG or he could be the next Bryon Jansen. We don't know, so how can you say something like that?
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 22, 2009 11:06:16 GMT -5
If he was the next KG, we'd probably know about him. College coaches and recruiting experts miss on people all the time, but not somebody as good as KG. He was the #1 player in the country as a senior in high school.
This kid may be better than Jansen, but if the scale is KG to Jansen, my bet's on him being closer to Jansen than KG.
Old Dominion and Longwood were his only 2 other offers. Do you really think JT III and his staff are that much smarter than all the other D1 programs and every single recruiting analyst?
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Apr 22, 2009 11:23:50 GMT -5
only time will tell on that one hoyaboyaspewahater
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Apr 22, 2009 11:51:58 GMT -5
From WikiPedia:
(David) Robinson attended Osbourn Park High School in Manassas, Virginia just outside of Washington, D.C., where Robinson's father was working as an engineer after retiring from the Navy. By his senior year in high school he was 6 feet, 7 inches tall, but he had not played organized basketball. When the coach added the tall senior to the basketball team, Robinson earned all-area and all-district honors but generated little interest among college basketball coaches.
I can dream, can't I?
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Post by HoyaSox04 on Apr 22, 2009 12:01:25 GMT -5
If he was the next KG, we'd probably know about him. College coaches and recruiting experts miss on people all the time, but not somebody as good as KG. He was the #1 player in the country as a senior in high school. This kid may be better than Jansen, but if the scale is KG to Jansen, my bet's on him being closer to Jansen than KG. Old Dominion and Longwood were his only 2 other offers. Do you really think JT III and his staff are that much smarter than all the other D1 programs and every single recruiting analyst? Do I think JT3 is smarter than every single recruiting analyst? Yes, I do. They're all morons. Case in point - Jerry Meyer. Do I think he's smarter than every single D1 program? I'd put that at at least 95%, if not higher. Do I think he's smarter than you? (rhetorical question)
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 22, 2009 12:04:29 GMT -5
Seriously? Like you said, we know very little about the kid. He could be the the next KG or he could be the next Bryon Jansen. We don't know, so how can you say something like that? It's just something we do on hoyatalk, compare guys that we are recruiting or that have committed to guys who are way better than they'll ever be, especially in situations where we've got nothing to go on but maybe a tiny bit of video. For instance we've got Vee compared to Chris Lofton, Steph Curry etc. We've got Nate Lubick compared to David Lee, DaJuan Blair, Joe Alexander. When we don't have much to go on but a few bits, we always draw comparisons to great players who have some similarity and then try to convince ourselves that it's possible. Of course, that sets us up for disappointment later. JB might turn into a solid player and contributor in time, but the odds that he will be a big star at the college level are very, very small. Not being a top 150 recruit is not a big deal, but playing in a DC suburb and only having 2 D-I offers is more troubling. Where was the rest of the CAA, other than ODU? What about the A-10? If this guy turns out to be a big star it would seem that a LOT of schools missed their chance with him. And that's not impossible, but given how sophisticated and competitive the recruiting process is, it's pretty difficult to imagine that so many people missed on him.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 22, 2009 12:28:57 GMT -5
Nobody from Northern Virginia, particularly from as far out as Warrenton, gets any attention and press unless you are from O'Connell or Paul VI, both in THE local conference. Occasionally there's a Michael Jackson or Grant Hill who command attention, but otherwise it's almost non-existent.
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Post by kghoya on Apr 22, 2009 13:26:26 GMT -5
Nobody from Northern Virginia, particularly from as far out as Warrenton, gets any attention and press unless you are from O'Connell or Paul VI, both in THE local conference. Occasionally there's a Michael Jackson or Grant Hill who command attention, but otherwise it's almost non-existent. julian was getting attention at south lakes before he left for oak hill scottie got tons of attention at herndon
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 22, 2009 13:26:58 GMT -5
Or Scottie Reynolds...or Joey Beard...or Marcus Ginyard...
If you can play, people will find you. I have a very difficult time believing that JT III was the only high major coach to know about this kid if he's that good.
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Post by dense on Apr 22, 2009 13:35:03 GMT -5
i think alot might have to do that he didnt play AAu...thats how these players get "found"...camps or events...its not like someone goes there is some kid averaging 30ppg in Stafford, lets go see him. Scottie played for Boo Williams...if Jerrelle hasnt played anywhere of note except on the playgrounds of warrenton there is no way to guage anything.
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cnyhoya
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Post by cnyhoya on Apr 22, 2009 14:29:10 GMT -5
If he can provide 10 minutes of solid front-court rotation work by his second year. I will be thrilled.
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Post by jkhoya12 on Apr 22, 2009 14:30:49 GMT -5
I don't think that's too much to ask. I feel like if we challenge this kid, he'll rise to it, judging by his character as seen so far.
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Post by hoyasexy on Apr 22, 2009 14:34:00 GMT -5
. . . or perhaps he wasn't recruited to be a star. Some players achieve their greatness by doing one thing very, very well, even if they lack a complete game. These guys aren't going to get a lot of national attention, especially if their area of expertise is something like defense or rebounding, but they can enjoy a very productive college career.
Think about some of the players who have been fondly remembered by people on this board, not because they were stars but because they accepted their roles and excelled at them. Boubacar Aw, Brian Kelley, Perry McDonald. Not only does a good team not need to have a bunch of guys who will go for 20 points a game, you don't even want that. You want a good mix of stars and role players.
The trick, of course, is finding the guys who are willing to be role players. Most guys who play D1 basketball were stars on their HS teams, including (apparently) Jerrelle. If he is coming here without any preconceptions that he would be the man (and I'm sure JTIII would have done a good job making sure that he is not thinking that), and he is willing to accept his role, which will hopefully to be a rebounding machine, then I am prepared to welcome him with open arms. Because that is the kind of guy we've been missing.
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cnyhoya
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Post by cnyhoya on Apr 22, 2009 14:42:10 GMT -5
A new recruit is like Spring Training in baseball. Anything is possible...
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Post by hoya73 on Apr 22, 2009 20:37:26 GMT -5
Don't put Perry McDonald in the same sentence with Brian Kelly, or even Boubacar. Perry was definitely ahead of them, both in how he was regarded as a recruit and, even more so, in how he performed as a college player.
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Post by bigelephant on Apr 27, 2009 8:17:39 GMT -5
Stop stressing over the new recruits especially Jerrelle Benimon. Did anyone think to read the story in the Fauquier Times. The kid averaged 21 pts a game and 17 rebounds and 7 assists during the season. Then in the finals of the District Tournament he collected 23 rebounds – one more than the entire opposing team.!!! This tells me that: 1) he is aggressive 2) he is quick 3) he tough 4) he can jump 5) and he knows what makes a team good. Yes I know - “ What was the competition?” The world is full of lesser know leagues and little known players and the basketball ranks are littered with the bodies of superstars who never made it in college and are populated by the lesser known high school players.
He impressed the Washington Post high school basketball writer who became his champion. Yes, I know he is not a scout for Patino or Boeheim or Calhoun but he has seen HS BB and knows something.
For a great team you need that chemistry – everyone can’t be a star. Not everyone can get 10 McD AA like UNC so there are teams that need role players – look at Ewing Jr. Jerrelle was totally overlooked and is grateful to be going to Georgetown – he’ll be hungry and happy. Now it’s up to III to make sure he develops. Roy came from the Private School league, not a super place to develop to a big time player but he did mighty fine. Yes he is 7’3 but I’ll bet Jerrelle has much more athleticism and what do we want from him? A center? No. A power forward? Yes. DaGone was also from a private school league in Baltimore.
We’ve had plenty of players over the years with less than stellar pedigrees that made great contributions.
Last week we had 8 scholarship players and were in a bit of a bind. Now we have ten. That to me is a big step up.
Yes – I’d be happier with 2 more McD but I think both these guys will be great Hoyas.
Now a point to the coach. I love JT III and I think he is a great coach and recruiter. I just hope he will be flexible enough to come up with changing schemes when the tough BE coaches are able to shut down the back door Like they did this season. HE HAS TO BE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH NOT ONLY TO FIT THE SCHEMES TO THE DEFENSE BUT TO OUR PLAYERS ALSO. Back door is fun but if you can’t get it why waste the entire game trying. Time for a different approach then and maybe slip in a few BD when the opponents least expect it. We need to mix up the offense on each possession just like we mix up the defense and maybe on the same possession too.
Remember Michael Graham? I see Jerrelle as a Michael – patrolling underneath on defense and running those back door baseline dunks on offense. That’s what I see. Only time will tell if I am correct or the naysayers are correct.
As the Zen Master said – “We’ll see!”
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 27, 2009 8:53:33 GMT -5
Now a point to the coach. I love JT III and I think he is a great coach and recruiter. I just hope is will be flexible enough to come up with changing schemes when the tough BE coaches are able to shut down the back door Like they did this season. HE HAS TO BE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH NOT ONLY TO FIT THE SCHEMES TO THE DEFENSE BUT TO OUR PLAYERS ALSO. Back door is fun but if you can’t get it why waste the entire game trying. Time for a different approach then and maybe slip in a few BD when the opponents least expect it. We need to mix up the offense on each possession just like we mix up the defense and maybe on the same possession too. Thanks for your very first post BigE (I kinda like that historical reference) and welcome to the board. I appreciate your enthusiasm and it is quite possible that the Jerrelle story will turn out as well as you hope. We ALL hope so. However, I have a very different take on your paragraph quoted above. I don't see Coach as inflexible and I think a lot of folks don't understand the Princeton all that well. Sure, the backdoor plays are the most visible, recognizable aspect of the offense. But there is far more to the complex and sophisticated scheming involved. It has everything to do with spacing, passing, cutting and taking what the defense gives you. And it takes time for kids to learn and to gain confidence in. That means, the entire team. They all have to play it and play it with 100% belief and confidence. If they commit to it and make cuts hard, sharp, aggressively... the backdoors will be there. AND the open threes will be there too. CHris is just learning how to be a great point guard. Monroe has only one year in the system. Etc. Last year, the Hoyas did not run the offense... at least, not run it well... especially later in the season when everything went south. I don't believe for a second that the Princeton is not going to continue to succeed in the Big East after winning two consecutive BE titles. I don't believe the other coaches suddenly figured it out half way through JT3's 9th season as HC. I DO believe that JT3 knows he his team has to totally buy into the system on O and D, and I am sure he does not want to go through another season like this most recent one.... team dissension, unhappiness, lack of discipline, infighting... whatever the heck went on. Adding kids like Vee and Jerrelle who are delighted to be Hoyas and will play their butts off and commit to the program... that is what it will take to get this team back on track. I am guessing the returning kids have also renewed their commitments to the Team and to JT3. AND -- looking at Jerrelle and Latavious -- I think it is obvious JT3 knows he needs more toughness inside.. more strength and size up front... more determination on Defense and on the boards. We shall see. But IMHO, we have every reason to be optimistic for the future!
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Post by bigelephant on Apr 28, 2009 7:02:52 GMT -5
Sir Saxa - thanks for the kind words. I agree with most everything you say. I am not an expert but just a fan. The beauty of a basketball game is like a wonderful painting. We all see it in different ways. Some see things that others don't. The collapse of the team last year was not one dimensional. Everyone has their share of participation in the catastrophe. If the players were at fault, as you suggeest, then adjustments have to made for that. Anyhow I'm glad the season is over, we are still enthusiastic and we'll get 'em all next year with the PO and Vee and Jerrelle and fingers crossed, Latavious. BTW is there anything new with him?
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Post by bigelephant on Jul 14, 2009 8:05:15 GMT -5
Has anyone heard of or seen Jerrelle Benimon this summer - is he playing ball anywhere?
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