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Post by oldirtyku on Apr 21, 2009 14:48:59 GMT -5
We've got our role players. Now do the hard part and go sign up LaTavious, Roscoe, Jelan Kendrick, guys like that with real high major talent. If Hoyas sign LW they will not have any scholarships for 2010 unless Monroe or someone leaves. Seems like 2010 has some great players and I was hoping to leave some spots open. |
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Post by sleepy on Apr 21, 2009 14:57:30 GMT -5
We've got our role players. Now do the hard part and go sign up LaTavious, Roscoe, Jelan Kendrick, guys like that with real high major talent. If Hoyas sign LW they will not have any scholarships for 2010 unless Monroe or someone leaves. Seems like 2010 has some great players and I was hoping to leave some spots open. We better pray Monroe leaves then.... Personally I would prefer Monroe staying a third year and return everyone from the 2010 team, than getting another recruit that is possibly a 1 and done from 2010. I think the first option would be much better for the program. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 21, 2009 14:58:38 GMT -5
Monroe won't be staying past next year unless he gets hurt.
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 21, 2009 14:59:26 GMT -5
^^^We are not going to need more than 1 good wing player in 2010 when we've already got Hollis, Clark, Freeman in the fold. If we try to take 2, somebody would get the short end of the PT stick and we'd be looking at more transfers/unhappy campers, most likely.
Right now getting Williams in '09 and Smith or Kendrick or somebody like that in 2010 would be the best case scenario and we'd be left with a pretty strong lineup next season:
Wright/Starks/Sanford
Freeman/Clark
Roscoe/Thompson/Nikita
Williams/Lubick/Benimon
Sims/Vaughn
Something to that effect.
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Post by HoyaSox04 on Apr 21, 2009 15:03:28 GMT -5
RB - don't you have a hard time seeing a frosh like Roscoe in 2010 starting over a guy like Hollis who already has a year and a half in the system, along with a nearly similar ranking coming out of HS? I sure do.
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 21, 2009 15:10:07 GMT -5
We better pray Monroe leaves then.... Personally I would prefer Monroe staying a third year and return everyone from the 2010 team, than getting another recruit that is possibly a 1 and done from 2010. I think the first option would be much better for the program. Monroe staying beyond next year would be bad. On the surface, it seems like it'd be good to have him around for another year, and it would, on the court. But if JTIII can't get a player as highly regarded as Greg into a top 5 pick after 2 seasons, we'll never get a player of that caliber again. If you think the "JTIII's system stifles athleticism/real talent" stuff was bad in the past, it'll be 10x worse if Greg is not a high lotto pick after this year. I know people will scoff at that, but the reality is that young big guys want to go somewhere, stay for a year or two, and be a top pick. If we can't provide that, they'll go to one of the many other schools lining up for their services who are willing to showcase them. Greg having a big year this year is imperative, not just for him but for the future recruiting of the program. If he has just a so-so year, you can expect the recruiting to cool off even more than it already has. I hope our fans will put the whole "I'll root for Greg but hope he only has an OK year so he comes back" thing to rest, because if he only has an OK year it will not reflect well at all on III's ability to take a highly regarded player and turn him into a high pick. |
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 21, 2009 15:15:38 GMT -5
RB - don't you have a hard time seeing a frosh like Roscoe in 2010 starting over a guy like Hollis who already has a year and a half in the system, along with a nearly similar ranking coming out of HS? I sure do. It was just shorthand/scribble, I didn't really put much thought into it aside from I guess the positions. I don't really know, personally. Obviously experience carries huge weight, but I certainly don't think that a stud like Roscoe (or Barton or Kendrick) has much interest in coming off the bench for very long. If you were an all-american and had offers from just about every high major, would you? |
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Post by kchoya on Apr 21, 2009 15:17:22 GMT -5
Based on the guard/linebacker comments, I'm picturing a taller Marc Egerson. Or maybe he turns into our version of lonnie Baxter?
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Post by oldirtyku on Apr 21, 2009 15:27:48 GMT -5
If Hoyas sign LW they will not have any scholarships for 2010 unless Monroe or someone leaves. Seems like 2010 has some great players and I was hoping to leave some spots open. We better pray Monroe leaves then.... Personally I would prefer Monroe staying a third year and return everyone from the 2010 team, than getting another recruit that is possibly a 1 and done from 2010. I think the first option would be much better for the program. Yes. I know that Greg as a Junior would be better than any freshman they could add… Not sure how you took my post but… All I was trying to say is that I rather have 1 scholarship open for 2010 then use it on taking a risk on a unproven player who will most likely break the rotation anytime soon. I am greedy. I wanted Roscoe, Latavious and Greg all there in 2010. |
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Post by sleepy on Apr 21, 2009 15:30:36 GMT -5
We better pray Monroe leaves then.... Personally I would prefer Monroe staying a third year and return everyone from the 2010 team, than getting another recruit that is possibly a 1 and done from 2010. I think the first option would be much better for the program. Monroe staying beyond next year would be bad. On the surface, it seems like it'd be good to have him around for another year, and it would, on the court. But if JTIII can't get a player as highly regarded as Greg into a top 5 pick after 2 seasons, we'll never get a player of that caliber again. If you think the "JTIII's system stifles athleticism/real talent" stuff was bad in the past, it'll be 10x worse if Greg is not a high lotto pick after this year. I know people will scoff at that, but the reality is that young big guys want to go somewhere, stay for a year or two, and be a top pick. If we can't provide that, they'll go to one of the many other schools lining up for their services who are willing to showcase them. Greg having a big year this year is imperative, not just for him but for the future recruiting of the program. If he has just a so-so year, you can expect the recruiting to cool off even more than it already has. I hope our fans will put the whole "I'll root for Greg but hope he only has an OK year so he comes back" thing to rest, because if he only has an OK year it will not reflect well at all on III's ability to take a highly regarded player and turn him into a high pick. I was thinking more like turning down a guarenteed number 1 pick to repeat as national champions, but if you want to look at it like that, then its not good. But best case senerio Monroe is guarentted top 5 again and returns just for fun. If he drops low he would probably leave anyway, a la Josh Mcroberts. |
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Post by HoyaSox04 on Apr 21, 2009 15:36:54 GMT -5
RB - don't you have a hard time seeing a frosh like Roscoe in 2010 starting over a guy like Hollis who already has a year and a half in the system, along with a nearly similar ranking coming out of HS? I sure do. It was just shorthand/scribble, I didn't really put much thought into it aside from I guess the positions. I don't really know, personally. Obviously experience carries huge weight, but I certainly don't think that a stud like Roscoe (or Barton or Kendrick) has much interest in coming off the bench for very long. If you were an all-american and had offers from just about every high major, would you? Obviously I would agree with the latter part, but I do think its more important that a guy like Roscoe would get quality minutes (either starting or from the bench, it doesn't matter) and that JT3 puts the pieces and place and gives him the tutelage to succeed. Which, I believe, JT3 does a lot better than most other coaches out there. So, do I think its imperative he gets starters minutes right away? Unsure, I guess. I think its important he comes in, buys into the system, and lets JT3 help him succeed... which you cant say for the highly ranked recruiting class of 2007. |
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Post by cnyhoya on Apr 21, 2009 16:14:11 GMT -5
We better pray Monroe leaves then.... Personally I would prefer Monroe staying a third year and return everyone from the 2010 team, than getting another recruit that is possibly a 1 and done from 2010. I think the first option would be much better for the program. Monroe staying beyond next year would be bad. On the surface, it seems like it'd be good to have him around for another year, and it would, on the court. But if JTIII can't get a player as highly regarded as Greg into a top 5 pick after 2 seasons, we'll never get a player of that caliber again. If you think the "JTIII's system stifles athleticism/real talent" stuff was bad in the past, it'll be 10x worse if Greg is not a high lotto pick after this year. I don't agree that Greg staying beyond next season per se would be bad for the program. If Greg under-performs next year, and it is percieved that he was hindered in his development by the coach or the system, then, yes - that would be very bad. But if he has a nice year ( or even better, a monster year), and chooses to stay for his own reasons, then I don't think that would be bad at all. As long as he is sought-after by the NBA, it is a good thing. It doesn't matter if he actually goes. Sorry. Back to Jerrelle... |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 21, 2009 16:50:26 GMT -5
Can we keep this on Jerelle? If you want to make ridiculously exagerrated claims about never getting recruits again, can we take it elsewhere?
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 21, 2009 18:35:47 GMT -5
Monroe staying beyond next year would be bad. On the surface, it seems like it'd be good to have him around for another year, and it would, on the court. But if JTIII can't get a player as highly regarded as Greg into a top 5 pick after 2 seasons, we'll never get a player of that caliber again. If you think the "JTIII's system stifles athleticism/real talent" stuff was bad in the past, it'll be 10x worse if Greg is not a high lotto pick after this year. Thank you. I've been thinking that ever since the Hoyas signed Monroe. Unless Monroe really wants to stay and get his degree, it would be best if he plays up to expectations (he's almost there) and leave after next season. After that he needs to go high in the draft. I simply wanted two seasons out of Monroe and thankfully it looks as if i'm getting that. |
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 21, 2009 19:35:57 GMT -5
Can we keep this on Jerelle? If you want to make ridiculously exagerrated claims about never getting recruits again, can we take it elsewhere? Yea, we really better get back to discussing a guy who nobody has ever seen play. In 2 threads. Far be it from me to upset the flow of "Welcome, Jerrelle!" posts and totally baseless comparisons to players who are far better than Benimon will ever be. He's somewhere between 6'6 and 6'8, he put up good stats across the board in a weak league, but his only other D-I offers were ODU and Longwood. Unless somebody else who has watched him play is going to come out of the woodwork and give us a scouting report, that's literally all there is to say about the guy until he steps onto the floor in Kenner--thus I don't think a little side conversation is a cardinal sin. |
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Post by cnyhoya on Apr 21, 2009 19:54:33 GMT -5
Can we keep this on Jerelle? If you want to make ridiculously exagerrated claims about never getting recruits again, can we take it elsewhere? Yea, we really better get back to discussing a guy who nobody has ever seen play. In 2 threads. Far be it from me to upset the flow of "Welcome, Jerrelle!" posts and totally baseless comparisons to players who are far better than Benimon will ever be. He's somewhere between 6'6 and 6'8, he put up good stats across the board in a weak league, but his only other D-I offers were ODU and Longwood. Unless somebody else who has watched him play is going to come out of the woodwork and give us a scouting report, that's literally all there is to say about the guy until he steps onto the floor in Kenner--thus I don't think a little side conversation is a cardinal sin. Very funny actually. |
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 21, 2009 22:08:46 GMT -5
As I said in the other board: once he matures, he'll be a leader. he'll work hard. may not get along with everybody with his cocky-ness. he'll come on like brandon roy. we will love him by the end. he'll have a chip on his shoulder - something to prove....JERELLE. BENIMON.  |
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Apr 22, 2009 6:16:07 GMT -5
this kid sounds like a player to me. i could care less about who offered and who didn't. high major coaches miss on this type of kid all the time. like sanford, he seems like a good fit into the system.
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Post by harwoodhoya on Apr 22, 2009 7:46:17 GMT -5
My boy still has not slept after he realized he can.t get him. He has coached high major players before and told me he will be fine in the Big East! He said he could turn into a four in years to come.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 22, 2009 9:53:31 GMT -5
Rivals lists Jerrelle at 6'8, 215 Lbs. and they call him a PF.
I don't know why he is referred to as a "wing" on this board. I hope he is a bruiser. He did average 14 boards/game in HS (along with 7apg, 4bpg and 21ppg!)
Yes, I know HS is not the BE, but I still like seeing a kid who apparently has a nose for the ball and an appreciation of team play. 7 dimes/game over a season is quite a lot at any level.
Not expecting him to come in and start but I do think he has a good shot to be a significant contributor over 4 years.
IS GU in a bit of panic mode with these late signings?
Well, maybe. These days kids commit their junior years then sign as seniors.
But we got caught short this year for a variety of reasons. JT3 and staff had to play the hand as dealt.
Let's hope they were able to pull in a couple of gems who can help the team -- next season and over the next 4 years.
We can speculate all we want (And we will) but we won't really know much until next year.
A hearty Hoya WELCOME to both kids!
Good luck to them!
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