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Post by mannyalexander on Feb 23, 2009 22:23:04 GMT -5
manny... actually I think we take a lot of open shots and just miss them. Additionally, I have less of a problem with DS taking a "contested" 3 than most others as dude is 6'8" and, as such, they're not really contested. He might see a hand toward his chest somewhere but not exactly off-balance and "contested" in the sense that I would think of Austin taking a contested shot for instance. DaJuan misses those too at crucial parts of the game. That, in fact, is one of my biggest gripes about DaJuan. When the team looks to him is when the wheels come off of his game. Otherwise, a lot of the other stuff I can live with from him. But we just flat out miss decent looks. And defense.... oh LAWD... the defense (or lack thereof)! I don't know. I just feel like there are so many times where we are jacking up contested 3-pointers instead of actually running some semblance of an offense. A shot chart would be great for analyzing at this point..... At this point, I'm not even going to try and discuss the defense. It's too depressing to think about.
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Post by richfame on Feb 23, 2009 22:33:46 GMT -5
Its not the offense its whos running the offense..
Does it seem like JT3 never makes any adjustments.. It seems like more often than not we come out flat after half time.
Some posters boast we have all the talent we need on this team.. Cant be further than teh truth.. I dont care if there MCDONALDS ALL AMERICANS or ARBYS ALL AMERICANS. Lets get some guys in here that will play some D and maybe can show some emotion l ike CW did today.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 23, 2009 22:35:48 GMT -5
Couple of thoughts: unlike the Marquette game, we were completely outclassed tonight. Some things that stood out: Pitino killing ANY momentum we could muster with well-timed timeouts, us missing countless open perimeter shots to get the lead under 8, and a frightening inability to guard the 3 point shot.
One of the reasons why I think Greg's game has really regressed as of late is his unwillingness to take and hit the mid-range jumper when it is there. Earlier in the year he was nearly unstoppable on the offensive end because he took whatever the defense gave him. If they backed off and gave him an open 14 footer, he'd nail it. If a bigger man came out on the perimeter to guard him he'd go to the hole and use his speed advantage (see: UConn game). Now, he seems intent on taking the ball to the hole whenever he gets the ball, even if the defender is playing him for the drive. And what was with all the fumbled passes?
Summers... if he's not back next year, I'd be shocked. Legit 1st round prospects don't pull total no-shows, even if they aren't 100%. Complete liability on both ends of the floor tonight during his limited minutes.
On the bright side, I really think Chris Wright has turned the corner. Continued his aggressiveness in attacking the hoop and getting to the line. The bottom line is there may only be a handful of guards in the nation that can stay in front of him, and I think he's slowly starting to realize that. I'm still amazed at how he doesn't get to the line more than he does. He gets no respect. It was also clear that Louisville's plan in their press was to deny the ball to Chris on all occasions, forcing our significantly weaker ball handlers (Clark, Sapp) to bring the ball up. Another smart move by Pitino.
I'm also in the camp that believes III should have played Monroe more down the stretch. Screw being tired: when your season is on the line, play your best players. They have 5 days to rest after tonight. Don't lose going down without a fight.
Big ups to the fans who came out tonight: unlike poor performances earlier in the year (see: Providence), the entire crowd tried to rally the Hoyas every time they got the lead down to 8-10 points. But we just never seemed to get the one play we needed to get over the hump and perhaps threaten L'ville.
Officiating: horrendous in the second half, but really had no bearing on the outcome, unlike on Saturday. It also continues to amaze me how we get no respect at home. Usually the more aggressive team gets the calls, right? You can't convince me for a second the last two games that we've been more passive than our opponents. I REALLY REALLY wish III would stick up for his guys for once.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 23, 2009 23:18:15 GMT -5
manny... you could be right. I haven't been doing any sort of numerical analysis. Only going on feel of watching the games as I'm sure you are. If it's true that our shot selection is truly that bad, I'm sure a good part of it has to do with the lazy cuts and less than crisp interior passing to compound them that causes us to take a decent amount of those. I'm with you on the defense. The word disappointed is all I have right now.
And Dan... sorry for the prior post. Thought I was trying to bring a little humor to the situation. DENIED. I'm getting used to that feeling with this season anyway. Apologies.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Feb 23, 2009 23:21:23 GMT -5
well that was depressing....so depressing
don't even know what to say anymore....i was an optimist...now I don't know what to say anymore.
Rockaway...great point one that I noticed more than anything about the game....Pitino managed a great game...any time we got any momentum...immediately killed. Any big play and a time out...even when they were still up 12
yes officiating was god awful. so inconsistent.....why do we never get any home court calls??? still not why we lost obviously
I still really think this team's problem is mostly mental...but execution has been awful too. That's about all I can think to say....
wow....just wow
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Post by 3xhoya on Feb 23, 2009 23:31:19 GMT -5
Unfortunately this game was decided in the first 6-8 minutes of play. The team came out flat and Louisville jumped all over them. There is a lot of work to be done between now and next season. The only positive was the fire that some of the players had tonight. Chris was emotional and tried everything he could to will this team to a win. He played with great intensity and did not want to give up. This resulted in him pressing too much, but it was good to see the passion and desire is there. Hopefully the Hoyas will come up with some sort of solution.
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Post by skyhoya on Feb 24, 2009 0:19:41 GMT -5
The pro scouts were in the house tonite, they think Summers needs some work before he is ready to come out.
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 24, 2009 0:24:51 GMT -5
I have forgotten more about basketball than you know. That post alone should be grounds for a ban. Can we set this as an auto-trigger on the ban function?
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 24, 2009 0:36:44 GMT -5
In the last 2 games, we just simply got beat by better teams. I defy anyone to argue differently, especially tonight. Since the last 10 minutes of Syracuse, i thought we have played pretty good basketball. We just had the misfortune of getting Marq and Lville, instead of Seton Hall and Cincy. It's no one's fault but our own, but i do wonder how different the season would be if, as others had pointed, we played with this focus, heart and intensity during the stretch around and after the Duke game. Seriously. We've managed to time our best execution/efforts for the times when it just wasn't enough. You switch the Hall & either Cincy game w/ these past two games, and we win them. Oh well. That and a nickel would give you five cents.
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Post by njhoya06 on Feb 24, 2009 1:31:03 GMT -5
In the last 2 games, we just simply got beat by better teams. I defy anyone to argue differently, especially tonight. Since the last 10 minutes of Syracuse, i thought we have played pretty good basketball. We just had the misfortune of getting Marq and Lville, instead of Seton Hall and Cincy. It's no one's fault but our own, but i do wonder how different the season would be if, as others had pointed, we played with this focus, heart and intensity during the stretch around and after the Duke game. Seriously. We've managed to time our best execution/efforts for the times when it just wasn't enough. You switch the Hall & either Cincy game w/ these past two games, and we win them. Oh well. That and a nickel would give you five cents. God, throw how well we played in that first Marquette game (first half mainly) in the mix too. That'd have been enough to run the Hall or Cincy out of the building. It's very frustrating. Oh well, still enough time left for a miracle, I suppose.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Feb 24, 2009 6:54:52 GMT -5
terrible defense to go along with 7 assists and 13 TO's....nothing else needs to be said.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 24, 2009 8:14:40 GMT -5
Seriously. We've managed to time our best execution/efforts for the times when it just wasn't enough. You switch the Hall & either Cincy game w/ these past two games, and we win them. Oh well. That and a nickel would give you five cents. God, throw how well we played in that first Marquette game (first half mainly) in the mix too. That'd have been enough to run the Hall or Cincy out of the building. It's very frustrating. Oh well, still enough time left for a miracle, I suppose. Yup. Still enough time left for a miracle. And I'm going to be at the Nova game, which is where it would have to start (GILBERT ARENAS!!!!!!). And if it doesn't, I'm in a box, so I can just console myself with free booze. So I've got that going for me, which is nice.
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Post by mapei on Feb 24, 2009 8:36:34 GMT -5
Couple of thoughts: unlike the Marquette game, we were completely outclassed tonight. Some things that stood out: Pitino killing ANY momentum we could muster with well-timed timeouts, us missing countless open perimeter shots to get the lead under 8, and a frightening inability to guard the 3 point shot. One of the reasons why I think Greg's game has really regressed as of late is his unwillingness to take and hit the mid-range jumper when it is there. Earlier in the year he was nearly unstoppable on the offensive end because he took whatever the defense gave him. If they backed off and gave him an open 14 footer, he'd nail it. If a bigger man came out on the perimeter to guard him he'd go to the hole and use his speed advantage (see: UConn game). Now, he seems intent on taking the ball to the hole whenever he gets the ball, even if the defender is playing him for the drive. And what was with all the fumbled passes? Summers... if he's not back next year, I'd be shocked. Legit 1st round prospects don't pull total no-shows, even if they aren't 100%. Complete liability on both ends of the floor tonight during his limited minutes. On the bright side, I really think Chris Wright has turned the corner. Continued his aggressiveness in attacking the hoop and getting to the line. The bottom line is there may only be a handful of guards in the nation that can stay in front of him, and I think he's slowly starting to realize that. I'm still amazed at how he doesn't get to the line more than he does. He gets no respect. It was also clear that Louisville's plan in their press was to deny the ball to Chris on all occasions, forcing our significantly weaker ball handlers (Clark, Sapp) to bring the ball up. Another smart move by Pitino. I'm also in the camp that believes III should have played Monroe more down the stretch. Screw being tired: when your season is on the line, play your best players. They have 5 days to rest after tonight. Don't lose going down without a fight. Big ups to the fans who came out tonight: unlike poor performances earlier in the year (see: Providence), the entire crowd tried to rally the Hoyas every time they got the lead down to 8-10 points. But we just never seemed to get the one play we needed to get over the hump and perhaps threaten L'ville. Officiating: horrendous in the second half, but really had no bearing on the outcome, unlike on Saturday. It also continues to amaze me how we get no respect at home. Usually the more aggressive team gets the calls, right? You can't convince me for a second the last two games that we've been more passive than our opponents. I REALLY REALLY wish III would stick up for his guys for once. Rockaway saw the same game I did. I also think we have to give Louisville credit. They came out and hit nine straight 3-pointers and disrupted us with their press. Pitino's teams play an exciting brand of basketball, and Rockaway is absolutely right about the perfectly timed timeouts. That's a very good team with a very good coach and, BTW, didn't it look like they had about four more players on their bench than we did (including Hollis)? I hear what posters are saying about involving Greg more, but he didn't really play very well last night when he had his chances. It wasn't like we were failing to feed the hot hand. Louisville made him look like a freshman, something few teams have been able to do. I don't know what to say about DaJuan other than to agree that he has regressed. I don't mind his taking the 3s, because earlier in the season he was hitting them and giving us momentum. Right now, no Hoya is hitting them - as others have pointed out - and I agree that it cripples our offense. OTOH, again credit Louisville; they were all over our shooters. Chris looked like the most frustrated human on the planet at the end of the game. Nothing he tried worked, from the intercepted passes to the missed dunk to the 3-pointer that barely even hit the backboard and was nowhere close to the rim. We would have lost even with generous officiating, but it seemed like they were getting calls on the very same kinds of bumps and hacks that were missed when committed against us. I hope the level of frustration doesn't lead to unexpected departures before next season. I look at the decline of a once-great program like Indiana and worry. In our case, it's only one bad year after several good ones, but I really feel like next year could go either way. I don't keep up with recruiting but it's scary if true that we are only getting one player next year. I forget who said that, but how can that be?
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Post by guru on Feb 24, 2009 9:15:18 GMT -5
The pro scouts were in the house tonite, they think Summers needs some work before he is ready to come out. Boy, those guys really earn their pay. My 18-month-old came to the same conclusion
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Post by guru on Feb 24, 2009 9:18:24 GMT -5
In the last 2 games, we just simply got beat by better teams. I defy anyone to argue differently, especially tonight. Since the last 10 minutes of Syracuse, i thought we have played pretty good basketball. We just had the misfortune of getting Marq and Lville, instead of Seton Hall and Cincy. It's no one's fault but our own, but i do wonder how different the season would be if, as others had pointed, we played with this focus, heart and intensity during the stretch around and after the Duke game. Definitely got beat by the better teams these last 2 games, but we really didn't play well at all last night. It was just a string of defensive collapses... whereas we looked like a bubble team against Marquette, last night we just looked like a bad-to-average team, and Louisville looked like a Final Four contender.
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Post by Boz on Feb 24, 2009 9:24:00 GMT -5
Me? I still blame Inauguration fatigue. Ah well. They'll always be my Hoyas. I'll always love 'em, even in a season like this. Wish I had the answers. Though, if I did, I'd probably be making several hundred thousand a year, as opposed to making thousands of posts on a message board. The Hoyas will be back. Maybe not this year, but they will be back. Meantime, I will do my best to enjoy the rest of what this season has to offer. Maybe there's still a pleasant surprise or two ahead before all is said and done. (This is after a night's sleep and a little calming down. Believe me, this was not the case last night, when I was cussing out players and coaches alike. But that's the heat of the moment; not much point in repeating it now).
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 24, 2009 9:34:31 GMT -5
In the last 2 games, we just simply got beat by better teams. I defy anyone to argue differently, especially tonight. Since the last 10 minutes of Syracuse, i thought we have played pretty good basketball. We just had the misfortune of getting Marq and Lville, instead of Seton Hall and Cincy. It's no one's fault but our own, but i do wonder how different the season would be if, as others had pointed, we played with this focus, heart and intensity during the stretch around and after the Duke game. Definitely got beat by the better teams these last 2 games, but we really didn't play well at all last night. It was just a string of defensive collapses... whereas we looked like a bubble team against Marquette, last night we just looked like a bad-to-average team, and Louisville looked like a Final Four contender. Fair enough. I disagree. I think it was primarily the latter. Damn, L'ville looked good, when you are curling around screens and hitter jumpers fading away, you are good. I dont know if you were at the game, but I have a pretty good line of sight, and they just had great movement, and that doesnt even touch upon the constant press, which is also well executed. They kicked our butt.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 24, 2009 9:35:54 GMT -5
[/quote] Oh well, still enough time left for a miracle, I suppose.[/quote]
Yep. Still looking forward to Villanova and the rest of the season.
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Post by The Stig on Feb 24, 2009 10:27:59 GMT -5
Me? I still blame Inauguration fatigue. Ah well. They'll always be my Hoyas. I'll always love 'em, even in a season like this. Wish I had the answers. Though, if I did, I'd probably be making several hundred thousand a year, as opposed to making thousands of posts on a message board. The Hoyas will be back. Maybe not this year, but they will be back. Meantime, I will do my best to enjoy the rest of what this season has to offer. Maybe there's still a pleasant surprise or two ahead before all is said and done. (This is after a night's sleep and a little calming down. Believe me, this was not the case last night, when I was cussing out players and coaches alike. But that's the heat of the moment; not much point in repeating it now). Amen. It hurts to say it, but nothing we can do will help. We've just got to stay behind the team and keep cheering them on. I guess I'll start getting ready for the Villanova road trip.
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Post by wrestlemania on Feb 24, 2009 10:34:31 GMT -5
I have forgotten more about basketball than you know. That post alone should be grounds for a ban. Can we set this as an auto-trigger on the ban function? A ban would be overbroad -- it would snag, for example, -- I have forgotten more than you know about basketball. -- I have forgotten about more than basketball you know. -- Have you forgotten I know about more than basketball? -- I have forgotten about basketball more than you know. -- I have forgotten about more, you know, than basketball. -- Forgotten, have I? You know about more than basketball. -- About, you know, basketball, I have more than forgotten.
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