calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Feb 23, 2009 21:22:21 GMT -5
Very few styles of offense work when you cannot make a layup or dunk. I think that JTIII needs to make some more adjustments during the game too, but in fairness we had several wide open shots, dunks, layups, putbacks, etc and could not make them. This team cannot shoot consistently. Missing is the steadiness of Wallace--proof that a McDonald's All American does not guarantee anything. I believe the missing piece is still at the power forward where we had expected Macklin or Braswell to play.
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Post by formerbearcat on Feb 23, 2009 21:23:04 GMT -5
I have forgotten more about basketball than you know.
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Post by bigtymehoya on Feb 23, 2009 21:23:26 GMT -5
Chris doesn't go for that dunk and we are only down 8. It was a huge play that I think could have changed the tide our way with the way we were playing. Nonetheless, we lost to a REALLY good team. The game was within 10-13 pts for the most part. I just think we started off badly in the first half. Again, I think we have the wrong starting line up, but I guess that doesn't matter at this point. Chris and Sapp played hard--I just think they needed to incorporate Greg a little more into the offense. But lets not be mistaken, this is not the Princeton O. When Greg gets this few touches, this is NOT the Princeton O. We wouldn't have as many turnovers if we were running the Princeton O.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Feb 23, 2009 21:24:00 GMT -5
So much ridiculousless... so little time. Yeah. It's the Princeton style and we miss Macklin THAT much. Idiocy.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Feb 23, 2009 21:25:07 GMT -5
Hey former... why don't you change it to currentbearcat and go post there. And I guess part of what you forgot is what's effective and what's not and what wins games and what doesn't. You should polish up.
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richfame
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Post by richfame on Feb 23, 2009 21:25:15 GMT -5
The reason why the princeton O works so good at Princeton is because they have guys that can fire the 3 from half court with deadly accuracy. We do not have a terrance williams, a mcneal, a rautins, a MCalarney, or a ruoff. We have a balanced team with an above average center. We should play to our strengths more.. Although i belive defense is a bigger problem..
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 23, 2009 21:25:46 GMT -5
I chalked up the Marquette loss to a combo of inexperience and facing a more-talented backcourt. This loss, I just don't know. Obviously, Louisville is just a better team, and they play defense the way the Hoyas teams of the past couple of years played. Given the continuing barrage of losses, I am more numb than anything else... Still cannot believe that this team, with the high level of talent it has, the oustanding character of the kids, and the fine coaching will not be remotely close to .500 in the conference and will not be playing in the NCAAs. Crushingly disappointing season. I think it reflect more the problem of having this super conference. Look at Syracuse lost 7 of their last 10 because of the Big East schedule. If they win 2 more of those games they are 5-5 which isn't bad but every night is a tough game and some good teams are going to be left out because of the strength and number of teams in this conference. If teams aren't rewarded for being in a tough Big East Conference, I think you are going to see some teams leave the conference because this is hurting every team in the conference overall to be this stacked.
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Feb 23, 2009 21:25:59 GMT -5
We are getting outplayed at the 3 and 4.
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royski
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Post by royski on Feb 23, 2009 21:26:17 GMT -5
At least passion has been there for a few guys in the last 2 or 3 games. That is a start I agree. That is THE start. I've ripped this team plenty this season, but always for lack of hustle. This team has been fighting lately. I can deal with my team just not being skilled enough, or smart enough, or experienced enough to win, I just can't handle lack of hustle. So while these last 2 losses have been disappointing, I'm not mad. Louisville and Marquette are veteran top 10 teams that are better than us. This team missed the tournament when it lost all focus after the Duke game for a couple weeks. Not right now, losses to Marquette and Louisville were always possible no matter how good we were.
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Feb 23, 2009 21:27:43 GMT -5
anyone else extremely frustrated with DaJuan? He did not show up what so ever, and has completely regressed in all phases of his game this season.
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hoyaboy1
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Feb 23, 2009 21:28:10 GMT -5
Tough to be positive right now. The team has gotten worse as the season went on, we may lose our 2 best big men to the draft (although Summers at least really needs to come back), and we have 1 player coming in next year.
This is the hardest time to be optimistic since Thompson got here.
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richfame
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Post by richfame on Feb 23, 2009 21:29:14 GMT -5
we got to the final four cause we had 1. Jeff Green 2. Jeff Green And a supportive cast with a ton of heart that hated to lose...
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Feb 23, 2009 21:30:33 GMT -5
Jeff Green was coachable.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Feb 23, 2009 21:30:36 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks we lost this one due to the way our offense is SUPPOSED to be played is just wrong. The first 10 minutes decided this one and it was bad INDIVIDUAL decisions spread out nicely by a bunch of guys combined with our still poor defensive switching and less than crisp cuts. The uber-low percentage passes and moronic turnovers didn't help either. I don't care what offense you run, if you run it like that, you lose. Period. End of discussion. Oh... and when the other team shoots 100% from the floor for the first roughly 10 minutes, that doesn't really help matters either.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Feb 23, 2009 21:31:52 GMT -5
Oh... and I forgot the missed free throws. There's that.
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Feb 23, 2009 21:32:09 GMT -5
Rich, i could not agree with you more. Also worth noting, summers as a freshman>summers as a junior.
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 23, 2009 21:35:24 GMT -5
I agree that the biggest problem this year is the defense, but it's worth noting that over the last three halves, we have shot 4-23 on 3s. This sort of abysmal shooting has occurred repeatedly this season, and has killed us on the offensive end. The first half against Marquette was an aberration. As pointed out above, for the Princeton offense to be effective, the team has to have good outside shooters. We don't, for whatever reason. That doesn't mean we should change the offense. It means that Wright, Clark, Summers (he's not going anywhere, unless he's happy to be a mid to late second round choice, at best), Freeman, Hollls (I'll throw him in, because he should be an integral part of the team next year) and the reserves should be shooting at least 1000 three point shots a day during the offseason. We are capable of better than we have shown this year. We just have to come back next season and show it.
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Post by formerbearcat on Feb 23, 2009 21:35:30 GMT -5
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Knock off the flaming.
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royski
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Post by royski on Feb 23, 2009 21:37:31 GMT -5
WILLIAMBRASKI111, you're right, this will be my final post. You're problem is that you are living in Never, Never Land. I don't like you either. Meet you in the alley behind the bar. There's a hoop there, lets play one on one. I'll eat your lunch. Is the alley also in Never Never Land, Brasky's purported place of residence?
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 23, 2009 21:38:34 GMT -5
In the last 2 games, we just simply got beat by better teams. I defy anyone to argue differently, especially tonight. Since the last 10 minutes of Syracuse, i thought we have played pretty good basketball. We just had the misfortune of getting Marq and Lville, instead of Seton Hall and Cincy. It's no one's fault but our own, but i do wonder how different the season would be if, as others had pointed, we played with this focus, heart and intensity during the stretch around and after the Duke game.
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