RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Feb 18, 2009 18:17:33 GMT -5
Plus, JTIII has said on multiple occasions that who starts isn't something he really focuses on, and that who finishes the game matters more (which was Jessie in the Cuse game), as well as I guess who gets more PT overall. Fans put a lot of emphasis on "starting lineups" because conventional wisdom states that your best 5 = your starting 5, but JTIII is a little unconventional in that sense. Decent chance that after 4 years Jessie buys this philosophy as well--Pat clearly did and DJ in his senior year as well. I'm pretty sure that, barring something bizarre (ala Cincy), Jessie will be in the game at crunch time rather than Nikita, and that DOES matter more than whether or not you're out there at the beginning.
It makes some sense in terms of offense.... Simply put, Nikita gets the ball to Greg, and early in the game, we want to get the ball to Greg, period. Most of what Jessie brings on offense (subtracting out the intangibles) can be duplicated by Chris, Austin and DaJuan so Jessie is a little redundant in that sense. I like the idea of coming out and trying to establish Greg from the jump and then bringing in a veteran off the bench and keeping him out there when the game is on the line.
I don't suspect the "reward for working hard" is a factor for Nikita getting the nod--not at this point of the year--but I guess it could have that effect as well.
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hoyaLS05
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Feb 18, 2009 18:26:02 GMT -5
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hoya95
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Post by hoya95 on Feb 18, 2009 18:44:24 GMT -5
Plus, JTIII has said on multiple occasions that who starts isn't something he really focuses on, and that who finishes the game matters more (which was Jessie in the Cuse game), as well as I guess who gets more PT overall. Fans put a lot of emphasis on "starting lineups" because conventional wisdom states that your best 5 = your starting 5, but JTIII is a little unconventional in that sense. Decent chance that after 4 years Jessie buys this philosophy as well--Pat clearly did and DJ in his senior year as well. I'm pretty sure that, barring something bizarre (ala Cincy), Jessie will be in the game at crunch time rather than Nikita, and that DOES matter more than whether or not you're out there at the beginning. It makes some sense in terms of offense.... Simply put, Nikita gets the ball to Greg, and early in the game, we want to get the ball to Greg, period. Most of what Jessie brings on offense (subtracting out the intangibles) can be duplicated by Chris, Austin and DaJuan so Jessie is a little redundant in that sense. I like the idea of coming out and trying to establish Greg from the jump and then bringing in a veteran off the bench and keeping him out there when the game is on the line. I don't suspect the "reward for working hard" is a factor for Nikita getting the nod--not at this point of the year--but I guess it could have that effect as well. I hope you all are right and it works out well, but I just don't see it. This seems more like punishment for Jessie (either on court-performance or some off court-problem) than anything that looks like basketball logic. PE Jr and Owens made perfect sense coming off the bench. They were big enough to accept it, and that was great. But this doesn't seem similar. Nikita may have been trying to feed Monroe, but he sure turned the ball over a bunch against Syracuse, and I can't remember a single point he had. I just don't see what giving him more minutes with the starters gives us. And other than when Roy was awfully raw and having real matchup problems, I can't think of another time when JTIII started someone who didn't get more minutes than the bench guys. This just seems like a sign of more problems to me. Hope I am wrong.
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RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Feb 18, 2009 19:02:49 GMT -5
Edit: Nevermind, Rich switchin it up on me here.
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Post by dehoya on Feb 18, 2009 19:45:31 GMT -5
I know South Florida is no Marquette or Louisville, but the effort from the hoyas tonight is great.. all around they look good, i thought james was gonna continue to dominate but they seem to have fixed that. Keep it up in the 2nd half!
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Feb 18, 2009 19:52:49 GMT -5
Didn't look smooth at the end. We need to come out firing in the 2nd half and finish them off.
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Post by gburyhoya on Feb 18, 2009 19:54:36 GMT -5
Gosh if we only had another post player besides Monroe. What in the world did they see in Vaughn? JTIII calls for the last shot and he takes a DUMB shot with 12 seconds left in the half. Where is Vernon Macklin when you need him?
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Feb 18, 2009 19:57:58 GMT -5
Plus, JTIII has said on multiple occasions that who starts isn't something he really focuses on, and that who finishes the game matters more (which was Jessie in the Cuse game), as well as I guess who gets more PT overall. Fans put a lot of emphasis on "starting lineups" because conventional wisdom states that your best 5 = your starting 5, but JTIII is a little unconventional in that sense. Decent chance that after 4 years Jessie buys this philosophy as well--Pat clearly did and DJ in his senior year as well. I'm pretty sure that, barring something bizarre (ala Cincy), Jessie will be in the game at crunch time rather than Nikita, and that DOES matter more than whether or not you're out there at the beginning. It makes some sense in terms of offense.... Simply put, Nikita gets the ball to Greg, and early in the game, we want to get the ball to Greg, period. Most of what Jessie brings on offense (subtracting out the intangibles) can be duplicated by Chris, Austin and DaJuan so Jessie is a little redundant in that sense. I like the idea of coming out and trying to establish Greg from the jump and then bringing in a veteran off the bench and keeping him out there when the game is on the line. I don't suspect the "reward for working hard" is a factor for Nikita getting the nod--not at this point of the year--but I guess it could have that effect as well. I hope you all are right and it works out well, but I just don't see it. This seems more like punishment for Jessie (either on court-performance or some off court-problem) than anything that looks like basketball logic. PE Jr and Owens made perfect sense coming off the bench. They were big enough to accept it, and that was great. But this doesn't seem similar. Nikita may have been trying to feed Monroe, but he sure turned the ball over a bunch against Syracuse, and I can't remember a single point he had. I just don't see what giving him more minutes with the starters gives us. And other than when Roy was awfully raw and having real matchup problems, I can't think of another time when JTIII started someone who didn't get more minutes than the bench guys. This just seems like a sign of more problems to me. Hope I am wrong. For what it's worth Hoya95, Jessie came off the bench to lead the Hoyas first half scoring with 8 Pts on 3 of 3 shooting including 2 Threes!
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Post by dehoya on Feb 18, 2009 20:01:39 GMT -5
I would like to see a little more sims in the 2nd half
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 18, 2009 20:01:59 GMT -5
So far, so good, as we doubled up on USF in the first half and welcome back Jessie.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 18, 2009 20:24:57 GMT -5
Ahead by 23; still doubling USF, as Jones is the only one scoring for their team.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 18, 2009 20:25:44 GMT -5
Still can't play any defense in the second half of games. Seriously, is it that hard to continue your first half?
Offense has gotten real sloppy as well. It's tough not to feel great about a game with such a big lead.
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Post by Buckets on Feb 18, 2009 20:32:14 GMT -5
We're letting them get the ball inside way too often. Way too many and-ones. And I wish we had some type of killer instinct, just step on their throats and put it away. But this is good to see so far.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Feb 18, 2009 20:50:56 GMT -5
63-38 with two minutes to go. Can't complain too much about this one. Jessie has looked VERY good off the bench. Sims getting some good minutes too, 3 boards, 1 assist, and at least one steal
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 18, 2009 20:52:10 GMT -5
Best moment of the game: Dominique Jones steals the ball, Announcer: "Dominique Jones Sucking it up." South florida bricks the resulting layup on the underside of the rim. Classic
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Feb 18, 2009 20:54:45 GMT -5
woooooo
hoyas win hoyas win hoyas win!
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hoya95
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Post by hoya95 on Feb 18, 2009 21:00:54 GMT -5
I'll take it. Now everybody rest up your voices on Friday night because they will be needed on Saturday and Monday. We need 'em both. Let's at least give them a real home court advantage!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 18, 2009 21:01:19 GMT -5
Here we go baby!
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Feb 18, 2009 21:06:22 GMT -5
Yay Hoyas!!! Best game since beating Cuse at the Booth!!! I listened to Dr Rich the last 5 minutes online and checked the box score...from that vantage, things look pretty good tonight. Wow, we shot well. 58% from the floor, 43% from 3? Nice. Well, a lot nicer than usual.
Carry it forward Hoyas!!
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Feb 18, 2009 21:07:48 GMT -5
Good, solid win. Great play by Chris Wright. Jessie strong off bench. Nikita had 5 boards. Greg with double double. Held USF to 40. 32% from field, 1-12 from three.
Two OT losses, a solid win, getting better as road back gets started. Win the NEXT one!
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