skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Feb 17, 2009 7:49:24 GMT -5
Nothing is a gimme win in he BE. Our current team plays to the level of competition, so don’t expect any intensity against a reasonably good team. Let’s see how III coaches on this one. He started and played Nikita up at the dome- no shots, but he consistently feed Greg. If I were III, I think Julian should get real minutes. He played OK at Cuse, but was very inconsistent for the last month prior. I think Henry should get some minutes, even though he has no body to play under. I wish III would go up tempo for this game, but I am not holding my breath.
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Post by theyellofallyells on Feb 17, 2009 8:20:16 GMT -5
Formerbearcat,
I completely disagree...we need to slow it down and run our offense to win...and play some DEFENSE.
this is g-town...we aren't an up tempo team.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Feb 17, 2009 9:50:55 GMT -5
continue to have our offense come around and concentrate on DEFENSE...SF is much more talented than the Hall...gotta bring it! let's start making a run here!
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 17, 2009 11:15:45 GMT -5
We'll win. Marquette went 4-24 from three and 10-23 at the line and they lost by 1. USF is all kinds of awful. Don't even compare them to Cincy or Seton Hall. It's not close. Gotta disagree Giga, USF beat MU and nearly beat VU, and has given others difficulty. They have lost to a lot of bad teams and played some really bad games but they have some good players and the scrap. They're not as good as Cincy but the difference in talent between them and Hall isn't marked. Plus we haven't really played very well against them in years past.... They aren't gonna roll over. I think we can win and we should win and we must win, but it isn't a given that we will. I'm expecting a battle, 100%. KenPom has South Florida as the 116th best team in the nation. They have the 159th best offense (101.9 efficiency) and the 103rd best defense (97.4 efficiency). Seton Hall is the 81st best team according to KenPom. They have the 57th best offense (109.7 efficiency) and the 123rd best defense (98.7 efficiency). So, they're offense is nowhere near as good as Seton Hall's, but they're defense is about the same. Can we lose to them? Yeah, we lost to Seton Hall. Should we lose to them? Nope--USF is not as good as the Hall and they'd be our first loss outside the top 100 teams in the country. The only thing they do well is have their opponents miss free throws (their opponents are shooting 63.6% from the line, the 10th lowest percentage in the country).
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Post by Hoya TMF on Feb 17, 2009 11:49:22 GMT -5
we need to win. that's it. i don't care if we only shoot three pointers, or if omar drops 50 points. i'll take whatever i can get. this team beat marquette. that's more than we can say for ourselves. we have to respect every team in this league and play hard. let's get a win!
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Post by formerbearcat on Feb 17, 2009 12:26:29 GMT -5
Theyellofallsyells,
I have seen USF play twice, Hoyas are a much better team on both ends of the floor.
JTIII needs to adapt based upon what opponent gives him. Hoyas play much better at a higher tempo.
Go Hoyas.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 17, 2009 14:28:47 GMT -5
Hoyas don't need to score 80 to win. They need to hold USF to under 60. And that goes for any pace that they end up deciding to play at. That means no layups/dunks. No uncontested perimeter shots. Getting back in transition. I want USF to earn every bucket they get in the halfcourt. If we do that, regardless of how we play offensively, we should win.
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Just Cos
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Post by Just Cos on Feb 17, 2009 14:37:57 GMT -5
Show me defense and I'll be a happy man
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 17, 2009 14:41:37 GMT -5
How can anybody act like any victory is a sure thing--or even exceedingly likely--when we've won ONE game in the last month and lost seven out of eight? It doesn't make any sense.
South Florida has seen far better results than we have over the past 33 days, so to act like all we need to do is show up and win is a little bit delusional in my view.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 17, 2009 14:46:19 GMT -5
How can anybody act like any victory is a sure thing--or even exceedingly likely--when we've won ONE game in the last month and lost seven out of eight? It doesn't make any sense. South Florida has seen far better results than we have over the past 33 days, so to act like all we need to do is show up and win is a little bit delusional in my view. Far better results might be overstating it juuuuust a bit. They're 2-6 since Jan. 17th (when we lost to Duke). They've beaten Depaul and Marquette (both at home). We're 1-7 with a win over Rutgers at home. So basically, they beat Marquette and we didn't, though if Marquette had shot free throws against us like they did against USF, we would have beat them by a point too.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 17, 2009 15:02:17 GMT -5
So basically, they beat Marquette and we didn't I'd say beating the number 10 team in the country (one tied for the conference lead) constitutes a fairly significant difference in outcomes, wouldn't you? One extra Hoyas win in the last month would have had a major bearing on our NCAA hopes, especially if that win had come over Marquette. I hardly think its careless to describe a world in which GU had gone 2-6 with a win over MU as "far better" than the current world.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 17, 2009 15:08:43 GMT -5
There's no way anyone should be assuming a win. We at them, and we haven't won anything in ages. Rutgers doesn't really count.
I love the apparent improvement we saw versus Cuse, but I liked the offensive improvement against Marquette, and that didn't hang around, either.
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Show me folks playing aggressive and playing tough D for closer to thirty minutes than ten to twenty, and I'll be happy. We'll walk away with a win as well.
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Feb 17, 2009 15:14:13 GMT -5
Except that we should assume a win before every game.
No matter how bad it has gotten this season, I have not sat down to watch a single game thinking, "we are going to lose this one" or "we aren't good enough to beat this team." Not even the Pitt or Marquette games, and certainly not any of the other games we've dropped.
In a way that's made it even more frustrating, but I can't help it. I can't get around the mind set that conceives those thoughts above.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 17, 2009 15:19:44 GMT -5
I think there is a difference between "assuming" a win, and knowing that we CAN win if we play well. I have been in the latter camp every game, even with our declining performances the last few weeks - but at this point I don't know if I will "assume" a win the rest of the way!
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 17, 2009 15:22:51 GMT -5
So basically, they beat Marquette and we didn't I'd say beating the number 10 team in the country (one tied for the conference lead) constitutes a fairly significant difference in outcomes, wouldn't you? One extra Hoyas win in the last month would have had a major bearing on our NCAA hopes, especially if that win had come over Marquette. I hardly think its careless to describe a world in which GU had gone 2-6 with a win over MU as "far better" than the current world. Fair enough. I was thinking quality of play and not results. Their win over Marquette was mainly due to MU's inability to hit their free throws, but you're right that I'd feel a lot better about this team if we had another good win in the past 8 games.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Feb 17, 2009 16:26:59 GMT -5
I still believe. That is all.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 17, 2009 16:40:31 GMT -5
Except that we should assume a win before every game. You are, quite obviously, a far more optimistic sports fan than I am. I'm convinced optimism/pessimism is in large part shaped not only by Hoyas experience but also by other teams a person follows. In my case, for example, I've learned only that the Brewers will embarrass in the end, or that Brett Favre would throw some devastating interception (vs. Giants (2008), at Eagles (2003)) when a Superbowl berth really potentially was in reach. In a sense, this makes something like Gtown beating UNC to reach the Final Four all the more glorious because one never believes it could actually happen until the exact moment when it happens. But it also conditions you to expect disappointment at the first sign that things are going wrong--and it takes a while to get out of that rut. All of which is to say that I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Boz is a Yankees fan.
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JimmyHoya
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Post by JimmyHoya on Feb 17, 2009 16:47:42 GMT -5
Went to Cincy from 1966 to 69. Played for Coaches Taylor Baker and Lee Rose, had the time of my life. That's really cool! Did your time at Cincy ever afford you the opportunity to meet the Big O?
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 17, 2009 19:18:30 GMT -5
USF is awful. I stand by my statement. They score 60 points by random chance not through anything they ever actually do right. The only way we lose this is if like Marquette, we can't hit the ocean and score 56 points.
I've seen them three times and I don't know how they ever score. The only thing positive for USF fans is they're not Depaul. So if you don't like to think of my assumed win as optimism about the Hoyas, think of this as severe pessimism about USF because that's more what it is.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Feb 17, 2009 19:34:47 GMT -5
All of which is to say that I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Boz is a Yankees fan. And Big Dog sounds like a Cubs fan.
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