Palin is the choice

[hoyatables]

Sept 6, 2008 8:29:25 GMT -5 strummer8526 said:

Haha we all contributed, so the blame can go around.

On a different point, do the McCain supporters on here think this Oprah stuff is reasonable AT ALL?! I'm pretty sure the Republicans are the party of free business choices, keeping government out of your hair, and so on. Now, they're looking to ram Sarah Palin down Oprah's throat? Oprah clearly doesn't like the woman or agree with her positions. She has had none of the candidates on her show since they became candidates, so how is this unfair?

What Oprah stuff?

[sead43]

getting back to the Palin "experience" argument for a moment, I saw this last week, and strummer85's avatar reminded me of it, so i thought i'd post it because it is pretty funny, even if you disagree with the premise.

NYC Comptroller Bill Thompson was quoted as saying that any of the city's borough presidents would be more qualified to be VP than Palin is. Here are the responses from the 4 Democratic BP's:

Queens BP Helen Marshall: "Clearly I’ve had a lot more experience than her but I wouldn’t even think of running for vice president.”

Manhattan BP Scott Stringer: "I appreciate Billy offering us up but I’m president of Manhattan, why would I want that demotion? When you are president you don’t go to VP...I think most New Yorkers are more qualified to be Vice President than Sarah Palin.”

Brooklyn BP Marty Markowitz: "I may know the Prospect Park dog run better than the Alaskan Iditarod dog race - and I am certainly no hockey dad or pit bull with lipstick - but I know being the president of a borough with four times the entire population of all of Alaska certainly qualifies me to dream big. And, by the way, when it comes to voting for this Republican ticket, I support abstinence-only!”

Bronx BP Adolfo Carrion's office: "The Bronx Borough President is unavailable for comment because he is out hunting caribou.”

www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2008/09/beeps-for-veep.html

[Boz]

Now, here's a superhero I can believe in!!

;D

www.herobuilders.com/08.htm


Robot Chicken awaits!

[AustinHoya03]

Sept 6, 2008 9:10:54 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Apparently, the NY Times is dumbfounded that the VP candidate has religious beliefs. All these years later, anything to the right of the Episcopalians remains strange and foreign to this newspaper.

www.nytimes.com/2008/09/06/us/politics/06church.html

The underlying insinuation in this article is that Palin looks to her church or to Scripture to answer political questions (example: I'm the PPT of the Senate -- how should I vote on ethics reform?). However, there's no evidence of this whatsoever in the article -- only evidence that Palin looks to her church or to Scripture to deal with personal issues, which is something millions of Americans do every day. If anyone thinks it's scary Palin does this, you should be terrified hanging around the Jesuits at GU.

I'm not so sure certain parts of the Base don't expect Palin to enact Scripture as law, just saying there's no evidence she will, and that expectation is highly unreasonable.

Also, this idea that borough presidents in NYC have more experience than Palin because they've got more constituents is ludicrous. A Governor is in charge of economic development, deployment of the National Guard, and state transportation infrastructure. Borough presidents mostly coordinate with higher-ups and provide constituent service.

Let me be clear: I don't like Sarah Palin. I'll probably vote Democratic now that McCain has chosen her as VP. Just saying many of the attacks on her are pretty poorly thought out.

Serious question on Palin: besides the obvious (breasts), how is she any different a politician than Mike Huckabee?

[Filo]

Well, the biggest difference is that Huckabee wears his religion on his sleeve, while Palin wears here on a blouse that was covered by a sweater. Once the heat was turned up just a notch and she took that sweater off? You're right, there does not appear to be much of a difference...

[HoyaSC]

Sept 6, 2008 12:17:17 GMT -5 hifigator said:

I'm just curious if I can get an honest answer from those of you on the left:

Do you still deny the general liberal bias of the vast majority of the mainstream media? I find it unfathomable that you would deny such if you were swearing on your own life. In all seriousness, do those of you on the left deny that in general, there is a prominent, noticeable and undeniable liberal bias to the majority of the mainstream media?

Responding to this post as someone on the left....

I think that when the left criticizes the media as conservative, they mean that the media is conservative in the same way that the Democratic Party is conservative. There's no coverage that assumes that fundamental changes in our society and economy need to be made. There's no coverage that questions where candidates on both sides get their money. There's no coverage of issues, just horse-race coverage and one-liners about pit bulls wearing lipstick.

From my perspective, this kind of coverage simply serves to distract the populace. This explains much of why so many poor whites vote Republican against their own economic interests.

[EasyEd]

Sept 9, 2008 13:19:25 GMT -5 HoyaSC said:

Sept 6, 2008 12:17:17 GMT -5 hifigator said:

I'm just curious if I can get an honest answer from those of you on the left:

Do you still deny the general liberal bias of the vast majority of the mainstream media? I find it unfathomable that you would deny such if you were swearing on your own life. In all seriousness, do those of you on the left deny that in general, there is a prominent, noticeable and undeniable liberal bias to the majority of the mainstream media?

Responding to this post as someone on the left....

I think that when the left criticizes the media as conservative, they mean that the media is conservative in the same way that the Democratic Party is conservative. There's no coverage that assumes that fundamental changes in our society and economy need to be made. There's no coverage that questions where candidates on both sides get their money. There's no coverage of issues, just horse-race coverage and one-liners about pit bulls wearing lipstick.

From my perspective, this kind of coverage simply serves to distract the populace. This explains much of why so many poor whites vote Republican against their own economic interests.

Not sure what world you live in.

[hifigator]

This from the Gainesville Sun, 9/7/08 on Palin:

She (Palin) rejected plans to build the notorious "Bridge to Nowhere," a $389 Million bridge to an island with 50 residents, afer initially saying yes. ... She rejected the locally popular project after it was ridiculed by some. Instead she held onto $27 Million to build the approach road to the bridge.

...

Palin entered politics in her hometwon in 1992, running for City Council in Wasilla, population of around 7000. There was no police department and a dusty airstrip ran through the middle of town. Ten years later, after two terms on the coucil and two as mayor, Palin the sports fan had left her mark. The air strip is now a lush park, complete with skateboard ramps, BMX track, a large playground and an Armed Forces Memorial. There's a new hockey rink and sports center, and the main roads are lined with standard mall stores -- Terget, Wal-Mart, Home Depot.


Granted, that is on a small scale, but that's not bad to have on your resume. It should also be noted, that community projects such as parks and recreation centers tend to be promoted by the democrats among us, not the republicans. For a dozen or so years, the dems down here have tried to get a 1% sales tax increase to go through. The money would be earmarked specifically for new and renovated parks.

Granted on a minor scale, that shows me the ability to balance fiscal responsibility, with both social responsibility and controlled growth -- in other words, some ideals that tend to be favored by the right and then others typically trumpted by the left.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

It shows me she decided to build a park instead of instituting a police force ;D

[hifigator]

Ha Ha. Actually, I don't know the time frame, but they do now have a police force as well.


I read where Mayor Palin fired the police chief, who actually supported her opponent in the Mayoral race. He tried to sue her and the city for being fired without cause, but the judge dismissed the case, siding with the Mayor's rights and obligations as Mayor.

[HealyHoya]

Here's an example of what should NOT be said during a campaign:

September 10, 2008
Categories: Veep

S.C. Dem chair: Palin primary qualification is she hasn't had an abortion
South Carolina Democratic chairwoman Carol Fowler sharply attacked Sarah Palin today, saying John McCain had chosen a running mate " whose primary qualification seems to be that she hasn’t had an abortion.”

Palin is an opponent of abortion rights and gave birth to her fifth child, Trig, earlier this year after finding out during her pregnancy that the baby had Down syndrome.

Politico.com

[The Stig]

Here's an interesting tidbit that the GOP aren't in any hurry to tell you....

It's true that Palin put the last governor's jet up for sale on eBay. But it's not true that she sold it. There were no buyers, and she had to get some lawyers to privately arrange a sale (they only got $2 million for it).

Also, having been to Alaska I have to wonder how Palin planned to get around her state without a plane. There are no roads from Juneau to the rest of the state. Was she planning to take a boat to get around? If she was planning to get a smaller plane, then she's out of luck. The Westwind (the plane she sold) is about as cheap as they come.

[TBird41]

Sept 10, 2008 18:34:32 GMT -5 The Stig said:

Here's an interesting tidbit that the GOP aren't in any hurry to tell you....

It's true that Palin put the last governor's jet up for sale on eBay. But it's not true that she sold it. There were no buyers, and she had to get some lawyers to privately arrange a sale (they only got $2 million for it).

Also, having been to Alaska I have to wonder how Palin planned to get around her state without a plane. There are no roads from Juneau to the rest of the state. Was she planning to take a boat to get around? If she was planning to get a smaller plane, then she's out of luck. The Westwind (the plane she sold) is about as cheap as they come.

She was planning on using a charter, just like every governor prior to Frank Murkowski did.

[kchoya]

Sept 10, 2008 18:34:32 GMT -5 The Stig said:

It's true that Palin put the last governor's jet up for sale on eBay. But it's not true that she sold it. There were no buyers, and she had to get some lawyers to privately arrange a sale (they only got $2 million for it).

1. You're a couple of days late on this one (read above).

2. You're trying to make something out of nothing. Here's what she said:

“That luxury jet was over the top,” Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, said to loud cheers. “I put it on eBay.”

Sounds fine to me.

[The Stig]

Don't worry, I'm not trying to say Palin lied. But she didn't exactly tell the whole truth. Those who worship her all seem to think that she sold the jet there. They also are imagining something big like a Gulfstream V, when in reality the plane was a Westwind, which is about as small and cheap as it comes with jets. I think they're the ones who are making something out of nothing.

And I'm a couple days late because I got kicked off here for a while for swearing at hifi when he implied that we were all Florida Gators. There are some things that are more important than politics!

[strummer8526]

Can we have a moratorium on Sarah Palin discussion, at least just until she says or does something substantive and meaningful? Of course, something substantive and meaningful OTHER THAN provide a ridiculous smoke screen for the top of her ticket, who will drag this country into AT LEAST 4 more years of George Bush garbage. The Maverick has long since faded away.

It's unbelievable. Politics is the only arena where you can have someone who more than 70% of the country disapproves of. The people who put him in his position then come back to the American people and say, "Whoops. Let's try this guy now." And somehow, that works. If I hired a doctor and he botched my surgery, I WOULD NOT get it fixed by a doctor that he (the idiot first doctor) recommended!

I thought and hoped that the many things wrong with Sarah Palin might drive home the fact that John McCain is not a good decision-maker. That hasn't happened. So let's move on and discuss all of his OTHER bad decisions.

[Filo]

My first reaction to Strummer's post was, "At least McCain has decisions that can be analyzed..." Problem is, I don't really like Palin's politics at all and I don't like McCain's decision to add her to the ticket. So the fact that I am over here almost ready to defend them is a real tribute to Strummer and his ilk.

It's a little bit of a microcosm of the race: If the Dems, liberals or whatever 'ilk" they are continue the bashing on a national scale, there may have a landslide for McCain and Palin...

[strummer8526]

Sept 10, 2008 21:59:51 GMT -5 Filo said:

My first reaction to Strummer's post was, "At least McCain has decisions that can be analyzed..." Problem is, I don't really like Palin's politics at all and I don't like McCain's decision to add her to the ticket. So the fact that I am over here almost ready to defend them is a real tribute to Strummer and his ilk.

It's a little bit of a microcosm of the race: If the Dems, liberals or whatever 'ilk" they are continue the bashing on a national scale, there may have a landslide for McCain and Palin...

I don't like the sound of being of an "ilk."

[Filo]

Doesn't Palin hunt that kind of thing in Alaska?