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Post by hilltopper2000 on Sept 2, 2008 18:11:38 GMT -5
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 2, 2008 18:40:12 GMT -5
I would have also cut state funding for "the teen pregnancy center" but would have considered contributing my own money to the center if it did not also provide abortion support. By having state money go to the center, what you are doing is sending other peoples' money instead of your own. |
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 2, 2008 18:55:01 GMT -5
I'd like to repeat what I said earlier in that I though Obama did just the right thing in declaring family issues, particularly when it involves children of the candidates, should be off limits. It's not the Obama campaign that's engaging in the assault on Sarah Palin's daughter, it's the media who seem to have no shame in their willingness to destroy a 17-year old to score a political point or to sell newspapers or air time. It's absolutely shameful. Now it's time for Obama to repeat his call in stronger language and for the media to respond accordingly.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 2, 2008 19:14:24 GMT -5
If Obama's campaign is in no way involved, why should they get involved? That would only give the media's vetting process more air time.
Most of what I read today has to do with Sarah Palin's public life. If Obama's church is/was fair game, so is hers. Her activities with a secessionist movement seem to be fair game. Her ties to lobbyists and switcheroo on the Bridge to Nowhere have a lot to do with her public service.
Republicans may not like it, but Palin is now being mentioned in the same breath as Tom Eagleton on the Convention floor. The Party's reaction after this weekend has been lackluster, and they are trying to rehabilitate her as a candidate. They knew the Palin news was bad and basically admitted it by releasing it all when Gustav hit land. The McCain campaign is guarding her very closely, which is not helping the feeding frenzy or showing much confidence in her to answer tough questions. Unfortunately for her, she literally has to be gaffe free, or the feeding frenzy will be unbelievable.
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Post by Boz on Sept 2, 2008 19:24:08 GMT -5
Exactly. If she's never been registered as a member of that party, then, ummmm, she's never been a member of that party.How is that difficult to understand again? Ooooooo, she went to their convention? There were Republicans and Independents at the DNC last week. And there are Democrats and Independents at the RNC this week. The story there is......what, exactly? I think we need to start a running tally on the stories of the last few days. I think the "falses" are going to outnumber the "trues" by a fair margin. Unfortunately, I am going to have to miss Lieberman and Fred "Joshua Painter" Thompson's speeches tonight. Sorry, but the epic tale of Vic Mackey is coming to an end and I can't miss that. Have to catch those speeches later. This is not going to end well for Shane Vendrell.  |
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 2, 2008 19:28:02 GMT -5
Ambassador, if the things you are reading are about Sarah's public life, you are doing a bit of selective reading. My bit on the Washington Post above showed a large number of stories built around the pregnancy of her daughter. Now it is being reported the Alaska Democrats have released information of Sarah's Social Security number and her home addresses. Not sure if this is true so I'd not stake my life on it but Politico is apparently showing it.
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Post by TC on Sept 2, 2008 19:36:28 GMT -5
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 2, 2008 19:43:30 GMT -5
Exactly. If she's never been registered as a member of that party, then, ummmm, she's never been a member of that party.How is that difficult to understand again? Ooooooo, she went to their convention? There were Republicans and Independents at the DNC last week. And there are Democrats and Independents at the RNC this week. The story there is......what, exactly? I think we need to start a running tally on the stories of the last few days. I think the "falses" are going to outnumber the "trues" by a fair margin. Unfortunately, I am going to have to miss Lieberman and Fred "Joshua Painter" Thompson's speeches tonight. Sorry, but the epic tale of Vic Mackey is coming to an end and I can't miss that. Have to catch those speeches later. This is not going to end well for Shane Vendrell. She gave a formal address to the Convention, even if by video. It was a formal act of participation in the proceedings. Although it may not have been a ringing endorsement of all of the group's positions, one typically does not give an address to an adverse party's convention. Tonight, Joe Lieberman, as an independent, will speak at the Republican convention. Last week, Jim Leach spoke in favor of Obama... |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 2, 2008 19:46:37 GMT -5
Ambassador, if the things you are reading are about Sarah's public life, you are doing a bit of selective reading. My bit on the Washington Post above showed a large number of stories built around the pregnancy of her daughter. Now it is being reported the Alaska Democrats have released information of Sarah's Social Security number and her home addresses. Not sure if this is true so I'd not stake my life on it but Politico is apparently showing it. The stories are not likely to go away since the Groom-to-be is apparently going to Minneapolis. |
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Post by kchoya on Sept 2, 2008 19:49:54 GMT -5
Republicans may not like it, but Palin is now being mentioned in the same breath as Tom Eagleton on the Convention floor. The Party's reaction after this weekend has been lackluster, and they are trying to rehabilitate her as a candidate. $10 million pouring in to the RNC over the weekend? Pat Buchanan saying, "Palin ignited an explosion of enthusiasm among conservatives, evangelicals, traditional Catholics, gun owners and right to lifers not seen in decades." What part of that is lackluster? |
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Post by kchoya on Sept 2, 2008 19:52:42 GMT -5
Well, he's the one promising to run a different campaign, to bring change to Washington, to change politics. Either he's going to be honest, or he's just throwing out empty words in order to get elected. I know which one I believe... |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 2, 2008 19:53:35 GMT -5
Republicans may not like it, but Palin is now being mentioned in the same breath as Tom Eagleton on the Convention floor. The Party's reaction after this weekend has been lackluster, and they are trying to rehabilitate her as a candidate. $10 million pouring in to the RNC over the weekend? Pat Buchanan saying, "Palin ignited an explosion of enthusiasm among conservatives, evangelicals, traditional Catholics, gun owners and right to lifers not seen in decades." What part of that is lackluster? My comment was directed toward the Party machinery, like the campaign officials and so forth. That $10 million came from voters, more than likely, and is nothing to sniff at. The handling of the nomination, however, by the campaign was lackluster. They introduced her during the daily soaps and basically sent her to Minneapolis without so much as an interview or some other introduction. The news got ahead of the campaign once the media started researching. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 2, 2008 19:56:13 GMT -5
Well, he's the one promising to run a different campaign, to bring change to Washington, to change politics. Either he's going to be honest, or he's just throwing out empty words in order to get elected. I know which one I believe... This is nonsense. His campaign has nothing to do with the media's research of the unknown VP nominee. He has been very clear as to that and no more needs to be said. It is the job of the McCain campaign to put out their own message. |
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Post by kchoya on Sept 2, 2008 20:01:54 GMT -5
Well, he's the one promising to run a different campaign, to bring change to Washington, to change politics. Either he's going to be honest, or he's just throwing out empty words in order to get elected. I know which one I believe... This is nonsense. His campaign has nothing to do with the media's research of the unknown VP nominee. He has been very clear as to that and no more needs to be said. It is the job of the McCain campaign to put out their own message. Bull. If the formal machinery of the Democratic party is going to be pulling crap like this again, then as the nominee and presumptive head of the party he should put an end to it. |
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Post by kchoya on Sept 2, 2008 20:03:38 GMT -5
$10 million pouring in to the RNC over the weekend? Pat Buchanan saying, "Palin ignited an explosion of enthusiasm among conservatives, evangelicals, traditional Catholics, gun owners and right to lifers not seen in decades." What part of that is lackluster? My comment was directed toward the Party machinery, like the campaign officials and so forth. That $10 million came from voters, more than likely, and is nothing to sniff at. The handling of the nomination, however, by the campaign was lackluster. They introduced her during the daily soaps and basically sent her to Minneapolis without so much as an interview or some other introduction. The news got ahead of the campaign once the media started researching. I agree with that. I think they could have done a better job, but I don't know how much better. It's not like picking Biden where all the negative stories have already been run through the press machine over the past 30 years. All the new stuff on Palin is going to come flooding out over a very short period of time and the campaign is going to have to manage it. |
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Sept 2, 2008 20:08:53 GMT -5
This will all amount to nothing.
Does anyone here believe Sarah Palin wants Alaska to secede or Obama thinks the CIA gave black people AIDS? Anyone? Really?
We have a close race here. If the last two elections taught us anything, it's that if both parties bases come out and vote, the two parties are fighting for a very tiny sliver of voters who might vote either way in a mere handful of states. The chance of those people truly being swayed by this stuff is tiny. Kerry lost because of swiftboats and Clinton won despite whitewater and multiple sex scandals because the former is lame and unlikeable and the latter connected with people.
In the end, none of this will truly matter.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 2, 2008 20:17:19 GMT -5
This is nonsense. His campaign has nothing to do with the media's research of the unknown VP nominee. He has been very clear as to that and no more needs to be said. It is the job of the McCain campaign to put out their own message. Bull Edited. If the formal machinery of the Democratic party is going to be pulling crap like this again, then as the nominee and presumptive head of the party he should put an end to it. It is pure conjecture that it was leaked by the Alaskan Democratic Party. In any event, 95% of that or more has to do with her performance in public office and matters of public record. It might be worthwhile to ask whether it is better for Republicans to simply not respond. There is not much sympathy from me when many Republicans, including John McCain, joked about Chelsea Clinton and were pretty aggressive in attacking then-First Lady Hillary Clinton. The Palin as victim angle would have played out already if it was a winner. |
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Post by Bando on Sept 2, 2008 20:39:28 GMT -5
The real question is "Does Palin add anything to the ticket that will help McCain win the election?" The answer to that question is a resounding "no." In fact there are reasons to think that he has saddled himself with a candidate who distracts him and keeps him off message when he's 8 point behind in the polls. A. Let's see where he is in the polls next week. B. I believe someone once wrote "just because you say something, that doesn't make it so." So, you have clearly written off Sarah Palin as someone who brings nothing to the ticket, despite pretty strong evidence to the contrary that she has energized conservatives ($10 million in one weekend, 17,000 at a campaign stop), and more than a little evidence that she has a good chance of bringing in moderate women to the ticket. No, not hardline feminists, but hell, Geraldine Ferraro more or less came out the other day and said she was thinking of voting for McCain/Palin. You can say she's ust bitter, but I'll bet she's not the only one. And I think there are a lot of women voters for for whom abortion is not the be all-end all of a presidential choice. I call shenanigans. Palin's pick and the DNC have only solidified Clinton primary voters behind Obama. So whatever Ferraro's thinking, the overwhelming majority of Clinton supporters are not with her. Again, saying something does not make it so. Obama's definitely bounced, going from a tie to what Real Clear Politics shows as an average 6.5% bump. I think the danger for McCain is what Ed posited earlier in the week, that with Gustav curtailing the RNC, there won't be much of a convention and thus not much of a bump. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 2, 2008 21:39:56 GMT -5
Where were you when the Obama-Wright smears were happening, or when the rumors about Michelle Obama started to swirl?
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Post by strummer8526 on Sept 2, 2008 21:57:01 GMT -5
Where were you when the Obama-Wright smears were happening, or when the rumors about Michelle Obama started to swirl? New York. Also, the Jeremiah Wright "smears" were less partisan politics than the current Palin-bash party...I think Hillary was front-and-center in raising questions about Obama's judgment in fraternizing with nutjobs like Wright...and make no mistake, that cat is a NUTJOB. I know a number of Republicans--family, friends, a stranger I had lunch with today--who agree that Palin is a disaster. Sorry, but it seems like the Dems finally have their "Swiftboat" issue--the thing that will consume your time, consume the press, and drag the McCain ticket down like a rock. The worst part is: McCain chose her. |
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