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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 27, 2008 20:41:06 GMT -5
Georgia is getting rocked!
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Post by RDF on Sept 28, 2008 0:40:03 GMT -5
It's CFB--anyone can beat anyone else on a given day. They might need that team to play poorly or turn it over--but things happen and only the DOLTS/MORONS at ESPN who try to project the BCS in September get nuts about things.
I'll say this--when ESPN has an agenda--they shove it down your throat. Today it was in order:
1. SEC is the greatest thing in history of world
2. Pac 10 is a subdivision conference.
3. Miami is "Back"--no--but they are on right track.
4. USC should be voted at 10000th for losing to an Oregon State team that beat Hawaii by same Margin that Florida did.
5. Booth shots of people announcing game must be over 30 per half.
As for the games/outlook of season---the reason I never get on a team for "who" they lose to--you just don't know about matchups, etc....and it can happen. If you want to bash anyone--you can find a comparable opponent and do so--to make your point. If you want to trash USC for losing to Oregon State and say "look how Penn State beat them...."--you can do that. If you want to say---"Ole Miss loss at Wake--but won at the Swamp--while Wake just lost at home to NAVY...."--see how this game is played?
Or how about the fact Tennessee damn near beat a TERRIBLY INEPT offensive team in Auburn--who barely beat Mississippi State-and Auburn was in position to beat "mighty" LSU.
This stupidity can be played out--time and time again.
LET THE SEASON PLAY OUT--the best teams over 12-13 games will emerge and we can all see it for ourselves. Everyone is entitled to a bad day--and it's up to the system in place to provide who they think are the best teams by end of year. Does USC losing on road mean more/less then UF losing at home to an unranked team? I don't think it matters either way--you lose, you lose. If you win rest of your games--you should be in discussion--no matter who you are-and that is only if there are not 2 undefeated teams.
The difference in Non BCS leagues--they don't face the tough games on a weekly basis. We've seen it with ECU--they won their first two games--but having to play tough opponents in a row--wore them down-and they've lost 2 of last 3. Now imagine them in BCS leagues having to do this weekly? It's not likely to happen-and that is why I am PRO-BCS leagues over non BCS leagues.
Miami is coming along--but Sexton made a great throw/Baker a great catch and UNC deserved to win. I'm in full agreement with FLHoya--this "rotation" is silly--and Marve was in a great rhythm that his coaches took him out of. Butch has some great talent at UNC--and is going to be a force to deal with. If he would've kept Paulus in--Canes by 3 TD's--that guy sucked. (yes I know he's got Hoya alums as brothers-but the truth is-he was in over his head the past 2 weeks and stunk)
Oklahoma can't run the ball a lick. TCU gave them 21 pts by being out of position and turning it over and if you watched the game--that was much closer then score indicated. Should've been a 10 pt game and OU is in trouble when they face better Big XII competition if they can't improve their running game.
Texas and Penn State have stood out to me so far--and nothing has changed. 2 good teams. Penn State's defense is a bit shaky though and they'll run into some teams who won't get scared they have a QB who actually can play--unlike the Morelli mess.
Michigan had a GREAT win and tough loss for Badger fans. 21 total yards at Half and down 19 and you rally back? Big win for Rodriguez and tough one to swallow for Wisconsin.
Question for those who have seen Fulmer's Clown Show:--why does Arrion Foster continue to play when he's involved in a crucial fumble every week to KILL his team's chances of winning? Has anyone investigated to see if he's on take? The guy is a MESS.
2 comments about UF's loss:
1. If Meyer is going to kick a FG against Miami with 20 something seconds left to "prepare the inexperienced kicker for pressure kicks"--doesn't a 4th and 1 from 29 yard line qualify as a situation to put your kicker out there? The extra point was BLOCKED--not missed--so it's not kicker's fault.
2. That 4th down play call was stupid and why I'd never go to UF as a RB as long as Meyer is there. No deception--just Tyn Hanbrow (combo of Tebow/Hansbrough) in shotgun and going to be a fullback and he lost yardage. If he's under center and with his size--he likely gets that easy--but he can't take snaps--so we all know that.
I think UF will be in mix come December--so don't take this wrong Hifi--but today just raises more questions-especially for a team you said would be "rolling" teams all year. I think Gators are loaded with talent/speed--and again--they will be a team I expect to be there in end-but these questions have to be on minds of Gator fans.
UGA got worked by Bama--that score was false-Bama OWNED that game from kickoff and UGA was outclassed.
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Post by RDF on Sept 28, 2008 1:00:25 GMT -5
A few more comments on ESPN and why I hate them even more/other thoughts:
1. Booth Shots--why do we need to see the people calling the game DURING the game? I only remember seeing the broadcasters prior to kickoff and then at halftime before the recent trend of ESPN showing their announcers--ABC too-but they are ESPN on ABC-so you get my point---100000 times during a game. I don't care about these morons--just call the friggin game.
2. Silly statements that aren't analyzing the game or having anything to do with teams. For instance Andre Ware--who was great 3 years ago as an announcer and has been "ESPN-ized" saying "The Canes are back" simply because of a nice return by Travis Benjamin with some great/decleating blocks and then saying Jacory Harris will overtake Robert Marve--only to do a 180 on his stance in 2nd Half. Is that analysis or stupidity? Of course Ware ignored the last 3 minutes of 1st Half because he was eating tailgate food and we had to see that-and miss 2/3 plays.
3. Herbstreit is an idiot. He doesn't know the rules "What is illegal touching" he asked after Illinois touched ball prior to PSU guy touching it on punt play. He makes stupid statements and has an agenda--that he wants followed. Anything that follows his agenda--whatever it is--he'll make sure he get that point across--even if it has nothing to do with teams involved in game he's calling.
4. "Swagger". WTF is that? Supposedly Miami had it back in First Quarter but lost it in 4th. I think announcers are like parents who start to use young people's terminology. It's like hearing your parents say "Bling" or "Fo Shizzle". If that happens--you should be able to shoot them--with a BB gun--but someone needs to take a shot when that crap happens.
5. Over-analysis of season. We're in September and people are saying "USC is out of NC Race due to losing to unranked Oregon State team". Okay--so losing AT HOME last year to an unranked Stanford team who USC was a 45 pt favorite over didn't do it a year ago-but losing by 6 on road to an Oregon State team that is undefeated at home does? You can't make judgements until season plays out. If USC beat Oregon last year--they are in Sugar Bowl-not LSU--so keep this in mind as you write off ANY team. It's stupid.
6. Use of word "All American". Who isn't these days? Every player is, every team has them, and if they are FR--they are all "5/4 Star Recruits"--which is judged HOW exactly? You don't know how someone is going to play until they play with their peers--and it's always been/always will be the case. Yet we hear of this GARBAGE every CFB/CBB season and announcers are stunned when losses happen--yet they have mentioned all game that BOTH teams have 100 All Americans on the field.
7. The Oklahoma Games where the friggin male cheerleader leaps over the other cheerleaders. All we needed was the obligatory Toby Keith interview to make this OU game complete. "Jim Knox is with a special guest....Toby Keith--how ya doin' pal?" Wow--never see that at an OU game or that damn cheerleader stunt. Probably saving Toby for next week at Baylor though--in the Bill Land-Gary Reasons 100 pt blowout game they annually call.
8. When GAME clock is stopped--why do teams milk the play clock down to 1 prior to snapping as if they are running clock?
9. The new clock rules BLOW. Leave CFB alone and return it to normal clock rules. They are trimming about 10 minutes off per game--and losing about 20 plays. It's a sport where kids get to play 12-14 times per year and I'd like to see them get to play.
10. Last but not least--ESPN2 showing NASCAR or Poker during the day in CFB season. I can't believe that someone is sitting at home saying "Hey--wonder when KimShee Sunshine takes on CoKo SpoogeStain in the World Poker title. Poker is NOT a Sport. Hey guess what--someoen turned left at an auto race--wow--that never happens. Not just auto racing--but PRACTICE session or like last week--Minor League Auto Racing.
Okay--rant over--but man ESPN is ticking me off!!!
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Sept 28, 2008 7:35:08 GMT -5
that singing you heard from the swamp yesterday went like this 'it's great to BEAT the florida gators..'. maybe espn will do another 3 hour bio on their god tebow. great 4th down call by urban cryer.
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Post by kghoya on Sept 28, 2008 8:43:07 GMT -5
its amazing how much joy i felt when florida lost
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Post by williambraskyiii on Sept 28, 2008 9:55:14 GMT -5
The ESPN feature that shocked and appalled me last night was when Rece Davis put on a robe and assumed the identity of a "Judge" with "Counselor May" and "Counselor Holtz" arguing some assinine position...did anyone catch this? I was absolutely dumbfounded.
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Post by RDF on Sept 28, 2008 10:15:54 GMT -5
The ESPN feature that shocked and appalled me last night was when Rece Davis put on a robe and assumed the identity of a "Judge" with "Counselor May" and "Counselor Holtz" arguing some assinine position...did anyone catch this? I was absolutely dumbfounded. You've got to be kidding me? Brasky, this is the level of Steve Phillips "fake Press Conference" and Stuart Scott Poetry Jam. Of course this is a network that has Jesse Palmer as an "expert" analyst along with Kirk Herbstreit. I can honestly say I only watch the games and ESPN News for highlights and after hearing of this--I will continue stay away from Gameday or GameDay "Recap" of whatever this nonsense is. Question for you Brasky--does Matt Winer come on the screen and interrupt "Judge" Rece so you miss a few parts of the segment like he does games with his 30 second "intro" to him recapping a highlight?  |
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 28, 2008 13:47:25 GMT -5
Or how about the fact Tennessee damn near beat a TERRIBLY INEPT offensive team in Auburn--who barely beat Mississippi State-and Auburn was in position to beat "mighty" LSU. Ugh. I watched the end of this game -- which was the CFB eviqualent of the current AL Central Race -- both teams were doing their best to give the game away in the 4th quarter, but nobody wanted to win. The boos were loud on The Plains -- they would have been louder if the game had been in Neyland. Crompton needs to be benched -- now. I have no clue who the Vols backup QB is, but a walk on named Shirley would do better than Mssr. Crompton. If he would've kept Paulus in--Canes by 3 TD's--that guy sucked. (yes I know he's got Hoya alums as brothers-but the truth is-he was in over his head the past 2 weeks and stunk) Dear Mike Paulus: Georgetown University eagerly awaits your transfer application. Oklahoma can't run the ball a lick. TCU gave them 21 pts by being out of position and turning it over and if you watched the game--that was much closer then score indicated. Should've been a 10 pt game and OU is in trouble when they face better Big XII competition if they can't improve their running game. I watched this game yesterday evening (BTW, RDF, who's worse -- Fox Sports Southwest or ESPN?). I'll give the Sooners credit for doing exactly what they needed to do -- come out and punch TCU in the mouth in the first quarter, but RDF is right that if you throw out the big Sam Bradford passes, this game wasn't a blowout. I also watched the Arkansas-Texas game, which was. Although I realize Texas-OU weekend isn't until October 11, I'm calling a Longhorn win right now. Here's why: 1. Oklahoma at the line of scrimmage. Let me throw some numbers at y'all: Brown: 27 yards on 13 carries. Murray: 23 yards on 13 carries. Bradford/Halzle: sacked 4 times. Sooners as a team: 25 net yards rushing, 0.7 yards per carry. Granted, when the line did give Bradford time to throw he hurled 60 yard+ TD passes, but the line did not do its job against a good defensive front for TCU. Will Muschamp has Texas' defensive front playing even better. Unless OU improves on the line of scrimmage, they'll be one-dimensional on offense against the Longhorns (although the passing dimension of the Sooner offense has looked excellent so far). On the other side of the ball, TCU had some minor success running the football, even though the TCU offensive line was outmanned. Texas still doesn't have a #1 running back, but the offensive line has looked excellent so far -- Texas will run the ball effectively against the Sooners. 2. Texas will be better prepared than TCU. This was a sloppy game for the Frogs, particularly on offense. Lots of yellow flags on the field, LOTS of poorly run routes by receivers, 3 fumbles (2 lost), a pick, etc. Oklahoma's defense still has not faced a truly good offense (and won't next weekend at Baylor either, despite all the drooling over Robert Griffin III). McCoy and Texas have looked great on the offensive side of the ball so far. Expectations (relatively low at the beginning of the season) have gone up -- the Texas Longhorns should win this Red River Shootout. Additionally, all this talk about "the Sooners have made a convincing case for being No. 1 in the country" is f'ing BS -- NOBODY has made a convincing case yet. Of the teams currently in the Top Ten, only one has a true quality win -- Alabama (though Mizzou over Illinois comes close as well). The Longhorns certainly haven't made a case either -- Texas' OOC schedule sucks as usual -- but when I watch the 'Horns I see fewer flaws than when I watch Oklahoma (granted, I have seen all the Longhorns games and had not watched the Sooners prior to last night). Looking forward to this year's clash in Big D. Michigan had a GREAT win and tough loss for Badger fans. 21 total yards at Half and down 19 and you rally back? Big win for Rodriguez and tough one to swallow for Wisconsin. This win=PAYBACK for 2005 -- Barry's final year in Madtown, when an underrated Wisconsin team slipped by an overrated UM team in the final seconds at Camp Randall. That year's Michigan team finished 7-5 -- this year's Badgers should do better but are not a Top 10 team. Other thoughts: The Orangemen let the Wannstache come back on them -- fire Robinson mid-season or fold the program. Other teams who consider canceling the rest of the season: Clemson (lost to UMD at home), TAMU (squeaked by Army at Kyle Field). DOOOOOOOK! The dream lives until Paul Johnson's team takes care of business next weekend on The Flats. Duke's only loss is to the Northwestern Wildcats, who moved to 5-0 for the first time since 1962. Up next: Michigan State on the North Shore -- doubt the purple and white can keep it rolling, but it would be a great story if they did. Also in the smart schools with bad football category, I'm thinking Vanderbilt (4-0) can beat Auburn in Nashville if the Commodores can limit turnovers and the Tigers don't make some serious adjustments to the crap offense they've been running. Really disappointed in CU's loss to Florida State -- which I didn't get to see thanks to idiocy/regional coverage. Memo to ABC/ESPN: I live in a Big 12 town that is 583 miles from Boulder. Ann Arbor and Madison are 1384 and 1216 miles away, respectively. 'Horns-Buffs at Folsom Field next weekend will still be a good game, but would have gotten more attention had Colorado picked up another good OOC win to remain undefeated. The Pac-10 got some MWC revenge this weekend as Cal thumped Colorado State 42-7, but you can bet that will go unreported. Tulsa (beat C. Arkansas 62-34 this weekend) and Rice (beat UNT 77-20 this weekend) are going to light up the scoreboard when they play for the Williams Trophy next weekend. Personally, I hope Clement & Dillard combine for another 5 TDs and shut everyone up about Gus Malzahn, "offensive genius." I was totally wrong on many games this weekend, but was most surprised by Va. Tech-Nebraska. I didn't watch too much of this game, but the Hokies offense actually looks good for the first time in years with Tyrod Taylor at the helm. I don't think I was wrong that Pelini has the 'Huskers playing much better in 2008, the Hokies were just better. 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Post by kghoya on Sept 28, 2008 22:52:47 GMT -5
glad to see you were wrong about the winner of the Shillalegh Trophy
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Post by hifigator on Sept 29, 2008 10:58:03 GMT -5
Oh, I'm not worried. But I think you should be, because Florida and Ole Miss are tied at 24 with 7 minutes left in the 4th quarter, and the Rebs just got the ball back. UNC and Miami both looked like programs headed in the right direction today. I wouldn't be surprised if the Heels and Canes are competing for ACC supremacy in a couple years. RDF had to be pretty bummed that Marve missed the winning TD pass by about 3 inches. ON EDIT: And Ole Miss just went 85 yards for a TD. Don't think Hifi will be responding to you... ;D Come on. You know me better than that. I'm not some fair weather fan who is just going to conveniently disappear when things don't go right. As for the game, I thought the better team that day won. We were off in virtually every aspect of the game. When Moody went down in the first half with injury, we had no one who could run inside. When LT/LG Jim Tartt went down, inexplicably the other 9 OL-men decided that they couldn't block anymore. Tim Tebow decided to keep the game interesting by not hitting open receivers. The defense did its part by leaving a WR uncovered when we were in cover friggin 2, giving up an 85 yard bomb. Of course special teams can't be "left out." Aside from the illegal blocked extra point, it is still inexcusable to allow not 1, but 2 guys to leap through the 1 and 3 gaps, to even had the opportunity. And oh yeah, actually covering the kickoffs rather than letting Mike Wallace stroll down to midfield before being touched might have helped. And lastly, hold on to the friggin' ball. Florida was the only team in D-1 Nationally that hadn't turned the ball over this season. Additionally, Tebow was working on a school record number of passes without giving up an interception. At one point late in the third quarter, Florida had run 6 plays for a total of 3 yards and had fumbled 4 times, losing 3 of them! That's pathetic. Ole Miss deserved that game. They played better. They prepared better. And they coached better. The positive news is that since Ole Miss is in the west, the Gators still control their own destiny in the SEC. And barring Penn St and Missouri/Okalahoma/Texas running the table, Florida still likely controls its fate in the National race as well. The problem is that the team that played Saturday against Ole Miss, not only won't run the table, but might only win 2 or 3 more games all year. Thankfully, I know we aren't that bad. |
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 29, 2008 12:57:07 GMT -5
"Come on. You know me better than that. I'm not some fair weather fan who is just going to conveniently disappear when things don't go right. "
Damn; well, we can always hope.
I have a hunch that Oklahoma/Texas is going to be a doozy this year. Looking forward to that one.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 29, 2008 14:47:43 GMT -5
"Come on. You know me better than that. I'm not some fair weather fan who is just going to conveniently disappear when things don't go right. " Damn; well, we can always hope. I have a hunch that Oklahoma/Texas is going to be a doozy this year. Looking forward to that one. The point is that I've been around long enough for you to know that I'm not just some guy who pops in and makes some wisecracks when winning, but can't face the music when things go wrong. Sure we've won 3 National Titles in the 2 major sports while I've been here. But we've also missed out on March Madness entirely and had a half dozen losses on the gridiron to boot. I take the good with the bad. |
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 29, 2008 20:23:06 GMT -5
Yeah, this is true. Being serious for a moment, I'm willing to give you credit for not disappearing when the going gets bad (or in this case, when there's an unexpected bump in the road).
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Post by RDF on Sept 29, 2008 23:50:09 GMT -5
I've noticed a trend--whenever Florida loses--Hifi wasn't able to be at that game--although this time around--he called his shot prior to the loss. When they win--he is/was front and center.
Hifi--please keep away from any Florida games from here on out.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 30, 2008 11:24:57 GMT -5
I've noticed a trend--whenever Florida loses--Hifi wasn't able to be at that game--although this time around--he called his shot prior to the loss. When they win--he is/was front and center. Hifi--please keep away from any Florida games from here on out. Totally not true: Last loss prior to Ole Miss -- Bowl loss to Michigan in Orlando: I was there. It was the first football game that I have taken my son to, not at Florida Field Before that: Georgia in Jacksonville last year: I was there. We had a truly great time except for the game of course. Before that: LSU in Baton Rouge last year: I did miss that one, which I hated. That is normally our bi-annual road trip, but we went to Oxford instead. I can normally only afford one road trip a season. Typically it's LSU in the odd years and Tennessee in the even years. Last year though, we went to the Ole Miss game instead. Before that: Auburn at home. I was there. It was one of the most boring games ever. We were down 14-0 at half, only to watch our second half comeback fall short when that dickhead kicker for Auburn nailed the fieldgoal as time expired. So prior to the Ole Miss loss, I only missed one of the previous four. Now granted, I did miss the Auburn loss in our Championship season, but if you had been to Auburn, you would realize that other than the game, there isn't much to do there. It's a good one to skip in genera. |
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Post by RDF on Sept 30, 2008 13:07:08 GMT -5
Hifi, I'm still waiting to hear your answer about not attempting that "pressure FG" that Meyer was preparing his kicker for by the late FG against Miami? Any reason he didn't get chance to win the game for Gators? Or was that not pressure packed enough?  |
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Post by hifigator on Sept 30, 2008 16:04:39 GMT -5
Hifi, I'm still waiting to hear your answer about not attempting that "pressure FG" that Meyer was preparing his kicker for by the late FG against Miami? Any reason he didn't get chance to win the game for Gators? Or was that not pressure packed enough? I'm with you 100% on that one. That was probably my main key to my piece for Monday's show. I just don't think the risk/reward factor supported the call Urban made. The field goal attempt would have been between 49 and 50 yards. The longest Jonathon Philips has made so far is 40 yards, but he has been perfect aside from the blocked extra point earlier in the game. My point is that if you ask what is his percentage from 49-50 yards? I would think something between 40 and 50 percent would be a fair estimate. Now suppose you run the fourth and long 1. What is the likelihood of making it? I think that after they moved the ball back a full yard, the likelihood of making it dropped to a similar number -- maybe 50%. Even if you argue that he's still 75% likely to convert, then you still have about 45 seconds left. You would then spike the ball, setting up 2nd and 10 and about 43 seconds left, and one timeout. If everything goes about as well as you can realistically expect then you gain another 10 or 15 yards. Now suppose that Philips percentage from 35-40 yards is 75%. Then the likelihood of making both the 4th down play and the ensuing fieldgoal some 3 plays later is 57% (75% x 75%). If you look at it that way alone, then there seems to be a slight advantage to going for it on 4th. But I think that ignores too many factors. First off, I think that 75% on converting is a bit high, given the situation and the fact that Ole Miss was able to set up after the timeout to adjust the spot. Secondly, I think there is a correlative element to the kicking. In other words, if pressure was going to get to Philips, then I don't think it matters much at all whether he is kicking from 35 or 49 yards. By that I mean that I think a "real world" percentage, would be much closer together -- probably in the form of lowering the expectaions from the shorter distance. Finally, those percentages don't factor in anything else that could go right or wrong. Sure, maybe there is a busted play, and someone runs in for a 30 yard touchdown. But I think it is much more likely that there is a fumble or a penalty or a sack. If you consider all factors, I think trying the kick was the right decision. But alas, we will never know. Here is what I would really like to have had done: Almost every team has a "Shift" play. That is what Spurrier called it, so that is what I will call it here. It is a play designed to pull defenses offsides when they are going to be in an obviously aggressive position. After the refs moved the ball back a yard, I would like to have seen us run out quickly as if going for the quick count, but then run the shift. In that situation, I think there is a high percentage of getting the 5 cheap yards, giving us a first down at the 27, still with one time out left. We should then be able to navigate a bit closer and then have a kick of no longer than 40 yards to win the game. If Ole Miss doesn't jump, then I would have called our last timeout and then sent Philips out to try to win the game. |
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Oct 1, 2008 19:37:48 GMT -5
Week 5 Picks for Games That Matter:
Memphis over UAB in the Battle for the Bones, perhaps the weakest rivalry in DI-A this season (Thursday)
Utah over Oregon State (Thursday)
Akron over Kent State for the Wagon Wheel
Illinois over Michigan
Cal over Arizona State
Miami over Florida State -- 'Noles miss a FG in the 4th
Air Force over Navy in a Commander in Chief Trophy game
Vanderbilt over Auburn (I'm on the bandwagon)
N. Carolina over UConn
Texas over Colorado
SC over Oregon
Missouri over Nebraska for the Missouri-Nebraska Bell
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Oct 1, 2008 21:10:07 GMT -5
interested to see the outcome of the Vandy and North Carolina games. I'd like to see UConn sneak past UNC.
Hope Texas doesnt lay an egg against Colorado. I am headed to Dallas next week hoping to see #1 vs #5.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Oct 2, 2008 23:44:24 GMT -5
One word sums up Utah fans tonight: amateurs.
You don't boo your quarterback and offense in a 20-21 game in the 3rd and 4th quarters after every single incomplete pass.
You don't rush the field when your team, ranked #17 in the nation, beats an unranked opponent.
Fans aside, two things tonight have me doubting the Utes can make it to a BCS bowl -- the offense did stink in the second half -- the Utes didn't even try to pass downfield until under 2:00 in the 4th. I also think they'll run into a problem if they play any team with defensive speed. The Utes didn't get anything going to the outside in the 2nd half. New prediction -- Utes lose to either TCU or BYU in SLC.
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