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Post by TBird41 on Oct 12, 2008 12:28:07 GMT -5
Now, this is probably just crazy talk (and discussing it probably guarantees that Purdue is going to win next Saturday), but, is it really outside the realm of possibility for the Minnesota Golden Gophers to go to the Rose Bowl? They're 6-1, 2-1 in conference, and every remaining game on their schedule is winnable (@purdue, Northwestern, Michigan, @wisconsin and Iowa). They really did luck out schedule wise, missing both Michigan St. and Penn St.
Of course, they would need, Michigan St, Penn St. and Ohio St. to lose at least one game each, but I'm pretty sure that if the Gophers are tied for the conference title, they hold the tiebreaker for a Rose Bowl appearance, by virtue of having gone the longest w/o an appearance in Pasadena.
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Post by ichirohoya on Oct 12, 2008 14:09:16 GMT -5
in the spirit of crazy talk, there are 3 non-BCS schools in the top 15 for a 2nd straight week. 4 non-BCS schools in the Top 25.
Its reasonable to write off Ball St as a possible BCS-crasher. They're just too far down in the rankings at this point. BUT, there is a very real possibility that Boise St AND the Mountain West winner (Utah or BYU) will finish the year undefeated and in very solid position to qualify for a BCS bowl berth. Wouldn't that be something. Especially if both teams put up a better showing than Hawaii managed last year in the Sugar Bowl.
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Post by RDF on Oct 12, 2008 23:15:45 GMT -5
Now, this is probably just crazy talk (and discussing it probably guarantees that Purdue is going to win next Saturday), but, is it really outside the realm of possibility for the Minnesota Golden Gophers to go to the Rose Bowl? They're 6-1, 2-1 in conference, and every remaining game on their schedule is winnable (@purdue, Northwestern, Michigan, @wisconsin and Iowa). They really did luck out schedule wise, missing both Michigan St. and Penn St. Of course, they would need, Michigan St, Penn St. and Ohio St. to lose at least one game each, but I'm pretty sure that if the Gophers are tied for the conference title, they hold the tiebreaker for a Rose Bowl appearance, by virtue of having gone the longest w/o an appearance in Pasadena. The Big 10 better go out of their way and prevent this from happening--because it would further embarrass their league when it comes to national stage. |
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Oct 12, 2008 23:37:52 GMT -5
in the spirit of crazy talk, there are 3 non-BCS schools in the top 15 for a 2nd straight week. 4 non-BCS schools in the Top 25. Its reasonable to write off Ball St as a possible BCS-crasher. They're just too far down in the rankings at this point. BUT, there is a very real possibility that Boise St AND the Mountain West winner (Utah or BYU) will finish the year undefeated and in very solid position to qualify for a BCS bowl berth. Wouldn't that be something. Especially if both teams put up a better showing than Hawaii managed last year in the Sugar Bowl. Utah beat Oregon State and Boise State beat Oregon (and it was NOT as close as the final). It's tough to swallow that USC is #4 in one poll and these two are scraping into the top 16. They're basically making the "Well you know we're good" argument at this point. |
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Post by RDF on Oct 13, 2008 1:31:59 GMT -5
The problem with non-BCS schools--they don't face the competition week in, week out. Look at ECU--when everyone was all over them--they have played a very competitive schedule against the "weak" ACC and they've lost to UVA and NCSU--and throw in a loss to Houston. So if you choose to judge them off the WVU and VTech wins and ignore the fact that their schedule has proven what happens when you face better competition week in, week out-well go ahead.
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Post by ichirohoya on Oct 13, 2008 3:42:17 GMT -5
The problem with non-BCS schools--they don't face the competition week in, week out. Look at ECU--when everyone was all over them--they have played a very competitive schedule against the "weak" ACC and they've lost to UVA and NCSU--and throw in a loss to Houston. So if you choose to judge them off the WVU and VTech wins and ignore the fact that their schedule has proven what happens when you face better competition week in, week out-well go ahead. You make a very good point. The week-to-week competition in the WAC and the Mountain West can be pretty tame. I mean the WAC includes Utah St and Idaho which would both be hard pressed to put together a winning record if they were 1-AA. But, in acknowledging that there are some real softies in the non-BCS conferences, we also need to point out that there are truly crappy teams in BCS conferences as well. Lets see the titans that USC will encounter from here on out... October 18: @ Washington State -- Washington State is 0-6 against Div 1-A competition. Their season so far includes nail-biter losses of 66-3, 66-13, 63-14. Oh, and they lost to UCLA (they of the drubbing at the hands of BYU) by 25 points. October 25: @ Arizona -- Lost to New Mexico (A Mountain West team which BYU beat by 18 this Saturday) November 1: Washington -- Lost to BYU (the circumstances surrounding the end of that game need not be discussed, but still, a loss is a loss) -- They are 0-5. Lets state that again for effect. THEY HAVENT WON A GAME YET THIS YEAR November 8: Cal -- Ranked #25 at present. -- Lost to a Maryland team that lost to MIDDLE TENNESSEE STATE and UVA November 15: @ Stanford -- Lost to TCU (Mountain West Conference) November 29: Notre Dame -- Not much to pick on here. They're certainly not as bad as they were last year. But, this ain't your granddaddy's Notre Dame team anymore. December 6: @ UCLA -- Final Score: BYU 59 UCLA 0. Nuff Said -- Lost to Fresno State (WAC) All I'm trying to prove with this is that The road through the BCS conferences ain't as bumpy as some might make it out to be. Winning the ACC, Big East or PAC-10 this year is not exactly akin to surviving the gauntlet. Sure the Mountain West and WAC aren't loaded, but, can we really say that anything USC will do from here on out will be more impressive than what BYU or Utah can potentially do? One of those two teams will, after the Holy War is played on November 22, have a win against a higher ranked opponent than USC has left on their schedule. Its food for thought. |
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Post by kchoya on Oct 13, 2008 10:21:01 GMT -5
in the spirit of crazy talk, there are 3 non-BCS schools in the top 15 for a 2nd straight week. 4 non-BCS schools in the Top 25. Its reasonable to write off Ball St as a possible BCS-crasher. They're just too far down in the rankings at this point. BUT, there is a very real possibility that Boise St AND the Mountain West winner (Utah or BYU) will finish the year undefeated and in very solid position to qualify for a BCS bowl berth. Wouldn't that be something. Especially if both teams put up a better showing than Hawaii managed last year in the Sugar Bowl. If Utah or BYU finishes undefeated, I think their BCS numbers would have to be high enough that they'd be in a BCS bowl for sure. |
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Post by kchoya on Oct 13, 2008 12:14:01 GMT -5
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Post by RDF on Oct 13, 2008 12:22:35 GMT -5
The problem with non-BCS schools--they don't face the competition week in, week out. Look at ECU--when everyone was all over them--they have played a very competitive schedule against the "weak" ACC and they've lost to UVA and NCSU--and throw in a loss to Houston. So if you choose to judge them off the WVU and VTech wins and ignore the fact that their schedule has proven what happens when you face better competition week in, week out-well go ahead. You make a very good point. The week-to-week competition in the WAC and the Mountain West can be pretty tame. I mean the WAC includes Utah St and Idaho which would both be hard pressed to put together a winning record if they were 1-AA. But, in acknowledging that there are some real softies in the non-BCS conferences, we also need to point out that there are truly crappy teams in BCS conferences as well. Lets see the titans that USC will encounter from here on out... October 18: @ Washington State -- Washington State is 0-6 against Div 1-A competition. Their season so far includes nail-biter losses of 66-3, 66-13, 63-14. Oh, and they lost to UCLA (they of the drubbing at the hands of BYU) by 25 points. October 25: @ Arizona -- Lost to New Mexico (A Mountain West team which BYU beat by 18 this Saturday) November 1: Washington -- Lost to BYU (the circumstances surrounding the end of that game need not be discussed, but still, a loss is a loss) -- They are 0-5. Lets state that again for effect. THEY HAVENT WON A GAME YET THIS YEAR November 8: Cal -- Ranked #25 at present. -- Lost to a Maryland team that lost to MIDDLE TENNESSEE STATE and UVA November 15: @ Stanford -- Lost to TCU (Mountain West Conference) November 29: Notre Dame -- Not much to pick on here. They're certainly not as bad as they were last year. But, this ain't your granddaddy's Notre Dame team anymore. December 6: @ UCLA -- Final Score: BYU 59 UCLA 0. Nuff Said -- Lost to Fresno State (WAC) All I'm trying to prove with this is that The road through the BCS conferences ain't as bumpy as some might make it out to be. Winning the ACC, Big East or PAC-10 this year is not exactly akin to surviving the gauntlet. Sure the Mountain West and WAC aren't loaded, but, can we really say that anything USC will do from here on out will be more impressive than what BYU or Utah can potentially do? One of those two teams will, after the Holy War is played on November 22, have a win against a higher ranked opponent than USC has left on their schedule. Its food for thought. No argument that USC should beat those teams--but the argument is--you don't have to play that level of competition every week--like the other teams do. For instance a non-BCS team like BYU or Utah get "credit" for BIG WINS when they beat a bad Michigan, bad UCLA, and bad Washington team where USC, Penn State, etc.. do not. I think BYU and Utah are very good teams and 1 of them will be in BCS bowl--and from what I've seen deservedly so. I just think you can shape anyone's schedule with the "look who they lost to-who beat who..." like I said a week ago--Ole Miss beat Florida in Swamp--but lost to South Carolina at home--and Wake lost to Navy at Home, etc...so you can find a reason to say everyone stinks if you like. BYU and Utah get credit for beating any BCS Conference team--yet BCS teams don't. They often get punished for not winning impressive enough. Can't have it both ways, when you only play 1/2 tough teams, can cruise in your league and then have 1 game in league to decide who advances, while others have to face higher level opponents consistently--they deserve more of a reward. I'm just against them getting in Title game--even if they are undefeated--because they don't face the competition on a week in, week out basis. Anyone can beat anyone for 1 game-but when picking championship teams--you have to reward the teams who play tougher competition over course of year. The problem--media hypes teams/leagues prior to season and then as season plays out--they do a poor job of adjusting their evaluation or just refuse to do so. For instance--I've said I think Florida will be a contender--even after the Ole Miss loss--and think they are a very good team. No problem with giving them credit for a great performance on Saturday Night. But jumping from 11 to 5 for beating LSU--whose best win was beating a bad Auburn team? How is that explained? Maybe LSU isn't as good as they think? I wasn't impressed by LSU at all in that game. Some were--it was a fun game to watch (referring to AUB-LSU game)-which is all I'm looking for--but was it 2 great teams? Media can't see difference and they don't care to. Interest in CFB is always high--always will be because every game carries so much weight-but it's also annoying to have media do their "projections" give their opinions before season plays out--I mean the rankings will change even more and everyone acts "shocked". Why? Let it play out--see who can can play--who can't and who is playing like best 2 teams at end of year--and how their schedule actually turned out. |
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Post by hoyarooter on Oct 13, 2008 14:21:06 GMT -5
The Pac-10 analogy made by ichiro is pretty good this year, because this is the worst I can ever remember the Pac-10 being, and it's not even close. This is almost certainly an aberration so in general, RDF's analysis is correct, but this season, the Pac-10 is worse than the Mountain West. Unless things totally fall apart in the SEC and the Big 12, the weakness of the Pac-10 will keep USC out of the title game, even if they win the remainder of their games.
As for Minnesota in the Rose Bowl, I would like to see that, regardless of the result, just because it would be cool to have a downtrodden program that hasn't been to the Rose Bowl since when - 1962? go from a one win season to a Rose Bowl appearance. Anyway, any team but Ohio State.
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Post by vcjack on Oct 13, 2008 16:03:56 GMT -5
Minnesota in the Rose Bowl would be a tragic situation but not really that unlikely (assuming Penn State gets a second BCS bowl and Ohio State loses twice)
But if the Gophers beat Wisconsin in Madison I'm going to have to destroy my tv
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Oct 13, 2008 22:58:03 GMT -5
Now, this is probably just crazy talk (and discussing it probably guarantees that Purdue is going to win next Saturday), but, is it really outside the realm of possibility for the Minnesota Golden Gophers to go to the Rose Bowl? They're 6-1, 2-1 in conference, and every remaining game on their schedule is winnable (@purdue, Northwestern, Michigan, @wisconsin and Iowa). They really did luck out schedule wise, missing both Michigan St. and Penn St. Of course, they would need, Michigan St, Penn St. and Ohio St. to lose at least one game each, but I'm pretty sure that if the Gophers are tied for the conference title, they hold the tiebreaker for a Rose Bowl appearance, by virtue of having gone the longest w/o an appearance in Pasadena. Ohio State would have the head-to-head tiebreaker in that scenario. Michigan State would own a tiebreaker because there are no I-AA teams on the Spartans' schedule. If the Gophers run the table, PSU loses one game, and tOSU and MSU both finish with 2 Big Ten losses, Minnesota would go to the Rose Bowl. If that happens, I will carve out and eat my own left nut. It's far more likely Northwestern (which also has a favorable schedule) will be the surprise Rose Bowl participant (though that won't happen either). Texas Tech-Nebraska this weekend included some fine coaching from Bo Pelini. Blown out at home against Mizzou last weekend, the 'Huskers executed a 'hold onto the ball' gameplan brilliantly, (TOP: Nebraska 40:12, Texas Tech 19:48) and forced OT with the help of some classic gutlessness from the Red Raider defense down the stretch. Um, Georgia Tech? Did y'all take a week off? Ramblin' Wreck 10, Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs 7. Either Bobby Petrino is a better coach than I have ever given him credit for, or Tommy Tubberville has lost all support and enthusiasm in the locker room. Arkansas is terrible. Tubberville, however, will never be fired at Auburn -- might the annual Tommy's Redemption Game be at Bryant-Denny Stadium in 2008? Next week: Penn State beats Michigan for the first time since 1996. I'll be at a bachelor party in the wilderness with no television next Saturday, but I'm definitely setting the DVR for this game -- I haven't watched the Nittany Lions enough this season, and they should open it up against UM. Speaking of next week, I'm calling Texas over Mizzou by at least 2 TDs in Austin after watching the Tigers O-Line this past weekend. Get pressure on Daniel with the front four (and Texas' front four is AWESOME) and the Tigers lose. |
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Post by HometownHoya on Oct 13, 2008 23:54:34 GMT -5
bigten.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/102204aad.htmlOhio State would have the head-to-head tiebreaker in that scenario. Michigan State would own a tiebreaker because there are no I-AA teams on the Spartans' schedule. If the Gophers run the table, PSU loses one game, and tOSU and MSU both finish with 2 Big Ten losses, Minnesota would go to the Rose Bowl. If that happens, I will carve out and eat my own left nut. It's far more likely Northwestern (which also has a favorable schedule) will be the surprise Rose Bowl participant (though that won't happen either). Anyway you could figure that out for USC's chances? ;D |
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 14, 2008 7:17:18 GMT -5
Now, this is probably just crazy talk (and discussing it probably guarantees that Purdue is going to win next Saturday), but, is it really outside the realm of possibility for the Minnesota Golden Gophers to go to the Rose Bowl? They're 6-1, 2-1 in conference, and every remaining game on their schedule is winnable (@purdue, Northwestern, Michigan, @wisconsin and Iowa). They really did luck out schedule wise, missing both Michigan St. and Penn St. Of course, they would need, Michigan St, Penn St. and Ohio St. to lose at least one game each, but I'm pretty sure that if the Gophers are tied for the conference title, they hold the tiebreaker for a Rose Bowl appearance, by virtue of having gone the longest w/o an appearance in Pasadena. Ohio State would have the head-to-head tiebreaker in that scenario. Michigan State would own a tiebreaker because there are no I-AA teams on the Spartans' schedule. If the Gophers run the table, PSU loses one game, and tOSU and MSU both finish with 2 Big Ten losses, Minnesota would go to the Rose Bowl. If that happens, I will carve out and eat my own left nut. It's far more likely Northwestern (which also has a favorable schedule) will be the surprise Rose Bowl participant (though that won't happen either). Well that's too bad. Their schedule still sets up for their first ten win regular season ever though (not counting seasons when they played high school teams at the beginning of the 20th century). Can't argue their season wasn't successful if they do that, especially if they have the Jug, Axe and Floyd to open the new stadium with! |
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Oct 14, 2008 23:04:45 GMT -5
Minnesota is 2-0 and should get to 3-0 next weekend when they play Montana State. If Tim Brewster can get the Gophers to a bowl in 2008 it will be a hell of a turnaround -- Minnesota sucked last season and finished with a record of 1-11. TBird, I'll stick by this comment I made earlier. The Gophers are now bowl eligible, which makes this a successful season. 10 wins would be incredible -- I say the U ends up just short with 8 victories. _______________________________________ Week 8 Picks for Games That Matter: -BYU over TCU (Thursday) -- The Versus broadcast will be second-rate, but I will still be tuning in for what may turn out to be one of the best games to be played in Amon G. Carter Stadium. -Western Michigan over Central Michigan -Texas Tech over TAMU -UMD over Wake -- ACC Atlantic race gets interesting -UGA over Vanderbilt -N. Carolina over U. Va. in the Oldest Rivalry in the South -Michigan State over Ohio State -- biggest game in East Lansing in years -- if the Spartans win it will be their first victory over the Buckeyes this century -Oklahoma over Kansas -Penn State over Michigan -Texas over Mizzou -Va. Tech over Boston College -Cal over Arizona NOT on the schedule for this Sábado, the Third Saturday In October: Alabama at Tennessee. Get your act together, SEC. (Bama hosts Ole Miss, Tennessee hosts CROOM.) |
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Post by kchoya on Oct 16, 2008 19:36:08 GMT -5
Well, there goes any question as to whether or not TCU is going to give BYU a game tonight. 14-0 TCU early.
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Post by ichirohoya on Oct 16, 2008 22:00:36 GMT -5
And thus ends BYU's BCS chances. Utah and Boise are the only potential BCS-busters left.
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Post by FewFAC on Oct 16, 2008 23:55:19 GMT -5
Something is right in the world.
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Post by hifigator on Oct 17, 2008 1:19:47 GMT -5
I just wanted to shout out an "amen" to that comment.
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Post by hifigator on Oct 17, 2008 1:48:48 GMT -5
A couple of obligatory comments, more than a day late but far from a dollar short: ...
Austin wrote:
The spread is for low-life degenerates that waste their money gambling on football every weekend like hifi. I'm just a fan.
I'm not sure if that is an insult or a compliment. I will ask the wise-guys and get back to you.
Former wrote:
If you'd have stopped there I'd agree with you. Degenerates like Rich Rodriguez and Urban Meyer.
Hee-hee-hee. Maybe you should start following baseball. Fifty percent there will put you on top of the world. Around here though ....
Degenerates?
Rather than reply, I will let you wallow in your opinions for an extra week .... Aren't off-weeks great ... at least when they come at the right time?!
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Said it a year ago--and hopefully won't have to again--FIRE TOMMY BOWDEN!!!
TigerHoya--if you are here--I feel your pain.
As we all know ... you nailed that one. I am just "quaking in my boots" that they might come steal Papa Bowden from FSU .... that would really suck for everyone ... well, at least everyone not wearing Garnet and Gold.
RDF wrote:
LEAST SURPRISING SCORE
1. Florida routing an overrated LSU Team. LSU's most "impressive" win was at Auburn. Anyone think that is impressive now? Miles continues to get away with stupidity in late game situations--and while it's entertaining--it also has people believing he's capable of doing anything with that team. He screwed up last year's team into losing 2 times--so he can mess anything up. Florida gave them a BEATDOWN!
I know you will likely discount my comments, as they are "so late." But I made this point on the radio on Monday. I think we might have been "too impressive." I don't mean to suggest an "inflated head," although that is always a concern after such a big victory. My point was that the total thrashing that we gave them, could actually hurt us in the mythical landscape. Think of it this way:
Texas beat Oklahoma in a much more competitive game.
We pounded LSU by 30 in a game that wasn't even that close. How does that reflect on the respective teams Nationally?
Don't get me wrong. I am not, in any way slighting Texas, and think they played a great game. My point though is that if we had beaten LSU by 10 for example ... something like 34-24, then I think the National perception of the Gators would be about the same, but the total woodshed we gave them, lowered their perception tremendously. In a strange way, I think that could reflect negatively on us. They aren't "as good as advertised" because we mauled them. Texas on the other hand, won both a gallant and galiant battle with Oklahoma. Therefore, Texas is "that good" and Oklahoma is almost "that good."
There's still a lot of football to go and thankfully, I don't think we will have to worry about it coming down to "perceptions" (aka "Rankings"). It could, but if so, then I will go out on a limb and say that I like "my" chances.
I doubt that the Gators will run the table and aside from Utah or Penn St., I don't think anyone else will either. Granted, neither of them have a loss yet. My point is that if Penn St and a Big 12 undefeated -- Texas, Texas Tech or Ok. St. -- do, in fact, run their table, then they will be deserving of a Natty Tite shot. But both Penn. St. and a Big 12 team don't win out, then I am pretty confident that if the Gators take care of business the rest of the way, then we will be playing for all the marbles in Miami.
But there are a lot of "ifs" still to be determined.
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