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Post by hoyalawyer on Aug 6, 2008 15:45:21 GMT -5
^ sorry. that was a response to developing NBA talent. i really genuinely appreciate where JTIII has the program heading. In 4 season JTIII has had 3 guys drafted. .75 guys a year is not bad. How many dukies drafted in the last 4 drafts? I really don't know that's why I am asking. |
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Post by RDF on Aug 6, 2008 15:47:06 GMT -5
Mourning and Mutombo actually developed a great deal under Pops--and Ewing--the guy was a defensive terror in college but nobody knew about the offensive talent he had--and became more known for in NBA.
No offense--but talking Centers/big men with a Duke fan is ridiculous. Great program, etc..but this is one area where Duke comes up small--and ACC post play isn't Big East post play--as you found out facing UConn twice- with Brand and Williams. You had undersized Centers and UConn had big, physical frontline-and results were determined by that--and fact the game was not called tightly--or as tight as ACC post play.
As for III's "NBA development"--NON McDonald's All Americans Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert are 1st Round picks--with one going top 5 despite not being ranked his entire HS career--until after people saw him in AAU and thought he was going to Prep AFTER his SR year concluded. Patrick Ewing JR got drafted--and was bench player his JR season and 6th man of year in Big East. In 4 seasons--I'd say that is true player development--while also winning conference titles, and getting to a Final Four. So lack of stats, individual National Awards haven't hurt--and we'll see how III does with more talent--but no reason to think we'll be worse terms of team success or guys going to NBA.
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Post by hoyalawyer on Aug 6, 2008 15:47:29 GMT -5
Brand played two years, Boozer went 2nd ("too small"), and Williams was a top-5 pick. All were All-Americans. I'd say K did a pretty good job getting them where they needed to be. my mistake about the one-and-done. Boozer was under used. Williams is extremely overrated and benefitted from a weak draft year and having JJ on his team made him look better (or at least get better looks). |
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Post by lichoya68 on Aug 6, 2008 17:36:00 GMT -5
ANY WORD ON THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD GO ZAGS OF DC GO COACHES THOMPSON AND BURKE GO TYLER TWO  |
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Post by dense on Aug 6, 2008 17:43:55 GMT -5
Doesnt this Dukie Fan realize that Tyler Thornton goes to Gonzaga...aka JT3's high school, and Coach Burke,lol.......Plus Jt3 is extremely good friends with the coach there?  Why would he be confident, thats alot to overcome just cause ur"freinds" with Dawkins,lol Not to mention DC assualt former head coach and founder Cox is our other Asst.....Why would Dukies think that oh he is in the bag...why cause he made a visit and told the guy on their website he is interested...obviously he is going to Duke...just like Josh is obviously going to Duke. |
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Post by dense on Aug 6, 2008 19:00:33 GMT -5
Its funny on their site because they take one quote and think its a foregone conclusion and its funny because they didnt learn their lesson from Monroe or Hollis thompson....one of those guys Hairston and Thornton will come to the hilltop if not both. With Coach Cox here I highly doubt that if we really want one of these guys the AAU coaches of DC Assualt won't steer them our way regardless of the Gus Gilchrist situation.
Sfeldmen has no inside info on either guy and just thinks cause some quote on the Blue Devils digest says they are coming here than its definitely true....Bet you he didnt even know the connections we have to DC assualt
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 6, 2008 19:15:52 GMT -5
I'd say Duke fans are as confident as about Josh Hairston as they were about Greg Monroe.
It's got the same basis for the confidence -- not saying Hairston will or won't be at GU or Duke -- but your boards and "Insiders" blow up and rehash over off-hand comments all the time.
One thing I'd say, having ZERO inside information, is that Georgetown doesn't leak much in regards to recruiting. We're kinda stealth that way. Everyone thinks we have no shot -- then we get someone.
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Finally, the "we never offered" excuse is pathetic. You really don't know -- and even if you do, the reality is that some programs are pansies and back off when they think they can't get someone. Never offered and Didn't want are two completely different things.
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Post by dense on Aug 6, 2008 19:28:14 GMT -5
Also concerning Thornton I'd rather have Markel Starks myself of georgetown prep, i think he is the better player. He'd be a top 25 player for 09' IMO if he had played the AAu circuit this year
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Post by tonydeals on Aug 6, 2008 21:16:35 GMT -5
Also concerning Thornton I'd rather have Markel Starks myself of georgetown prep, i think he is the better player. He'd be a top 25 player for 09' IMO if he had played the AAu circuit this year From what I've seen of Starks & Thornton, I also prefer Starks. Though I must say, I haven't had the opportunity to see either live (only a bunch of highlights). Something about Starks though gets me really excited(  ....not so sure that sounded right). Anyway, we can't go wrong with either one. Also, let us not forget about Henry's former teammate, Eric Atkins. We're in the mix with him and he just keeps getting better. |
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Post by idhoya on Aug 6, 2008 22:23:43 GMT -5
The staff requires their guards to be able to score (see baby doc leaving). Starks and Atkins seem to be better scorers, while Thorton is more of a true point and just knows how to play. A winner too.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 6, 2008 23:39:10 GMT -5
Also concerning Thornton I'd rather have Markel Starks myself of georgetown prep, i think he is the better player. He'd be a top 25 player for 09' IMO if he had played the AAu circuit this year Now you'll have the Duke coaching staff offering Starks... |
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Post by dense on Aug 7, 2008 3:32:07 GMT -5
HAHA!!!, probably so, or sfeldmen will go and start some threads over there about Markel. But if i'd classify his game its be a middle class man's Chris Wright.
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Post by summersshowers on Aug 8, 2008 11:35:12 GMT -5
hmm...interesting that you say coach k is in panic mode. i hate to pull the race card, but you'd have to be blind not to notice that duke is becoming a whiter and whiter team. their best teams in the late 90s/early 2000s had a much stronger black representation: elton brand, carlos boozer, corey maggette, jay williams, trajan langdon, etc...i have been saying for a while now that the duke lax incident had to hurt black recruiting for coach k more than people realize. despite the fact that the kids weren't guilty of rape, the fact remains that they were degrading black strippers and that seems like a pretty major deterrent for potential african american students, including an important part of duke's recruiting base.
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Why would he be confident, thats alot to overcome just cause ur"freinds" with Dawkins,lol
....not so sure that sounded right). Anyway, we can't go wrong with either one. Also, let us not forget about Henry's former teammate, Eric Atkins. We're in the mix with him and he just keeps getting better.