idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Jul 21, 2008 14:53:23 GMT -5
from Rivals:
"I'm not really leaning toward any one school right now," he said. "I'm still open to a lot of schools. There are some that have my interest a lot like Georgetown (offer), Wake Forest, Duke (offer), Georgia Tech, Miami, Georgia and Stanford. There are things I like about all of those schools, so right now I'm still open.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 21, 2008 17:10:32 GMT -5
So what are our chances. Of course duke fans think they already have him wrapped up because they've offered him, but what's the real deal.
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Post by sleepy on Jul 21, 2008 17:24:36 GMT -5
I am fairly certain I have figured out Dukes recruiting strategy, find out who Georgetown is going after, then offer them right away.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 21, 2008 18:53:20 GMT -5
Ha. Well, we know Duke isn't any good at spotting talent ahead of time.
Anyway I'm very tempted to do something stupid such as....look ahead to the Duke game and see how the Blue Devils' lineup matches up against Georgetown's.
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Jul 21, 2008 19:04:29 GMT -5
I like Hoyas chances in this one.
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Post by sleepy on Jul 21, 2008 19:14:28 GMT -5
I have already done that MCI, but only a very simple analysis and I think we match up fairly well with them. It would be easier if I knew any of our teams strengths and weaknesses, but oh well.
HSB, you are completely correct when you say they think they are going to get whoever they offer. In fact they celebrate offering guys over there because they think it is almost a sure thing once they do. I guess we will see, but they are apparently going to land a class of Dawkins, Hairston, Knight, Thornton, Barnes and Smith, because those are the guys they have offered.
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Post by idhoya on Jul 21, 2008 19:50:41 GMT -5
I think the question is whether GU will accept him if he verbals or tells him to wait. There are a bucha other guards they are after as well.
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Post by moe09 on Jul 21, 2008 20:04:25 GMT -5
In my opinion Coach K must be going into panic mode. The only thing he's got going for him next year is hype and a weak ACC. He's really gotta start pulling in some big recruits or that ship is gonna start sinking, because even the name Duke can only hold you up for so long. I imagine he's pulling out all the stops for these kids, 'cuz Coach K isn't dumb, he's starting to see some of the writing on the wall.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jul 21, 2008 20:27:36 GMT -5
where did coach go to high school WE WILL SEE GO HOYAS GO ZAGS WHERE DID GONZAGA JUST PLAY IN THE HIGH SCHOOL LEAGUE we will see go hoyas go tyler two and go gonzaga yup JESUIT SCHOOL FOLKS ill take our chances yup ;D ;D ;D
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Jul 21, 2008 21:26:19 GMT -5
Coach Thompson and Coach Burke. Gonzaga connection.
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Post by sleepy on Jul 21, 2008 21:31:19 GMT -5
Does Thornton go to Gonzaga? If he does, that has to help a little, correct?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 21, 2008 21:42:32 GMT -5
yes thorton goes to gonzaga. so yes hopefully that helps.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 21, 2008 23:03:11 GMT -5
I am fairly certain I have figured out Dukes recruiting strategy, find out who Georgetown is going after, then offer them right away. Don't think you're too far off.
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Post by RBHoya on Jul 21, 2008 23:53:27 GMT -5
Reports of Duke falling off are always exaggerated. They're legitimately one of the top teams in the country next year and will be favored when we play.
Re: Thornton, not a surprise Duke offered him, and it is a little funny that almost all of our major targets are overlapping with them anymore. They're even starting to talk up Jason Morris a little bit on their boards.
IMHO, Georgetown is probably waiting on Thornton. Allegedly he has a GU offer, but offers at Georgetown are different (read: softer) than other places (like Duke). Frankly I would not be all that torn up if he went to Duke. He's a very well-rounded player, excellent defense and a good floor general in the traditional sense. However, his weakness, according to just about everyone, is his outside shooting. Typically, that's not what we expect from a Georgetown point. Guys who can run the show but can't shoot are great in some systems, but at Georgetown, hitting outside shots is extremely important at all positions. So it's possible that other targets like Markel Starks or Eric Atkins might fit better. Or, the staff might feel that they can help Thornton improve his shooting (as they did with Jessie) and he'd be the total package. Not sure, but I wouldn't worry too much if Thornton goes elsewhere as we've got comparable prospects at the same position who we've been recruiting.
Re: Duke fans, to me they are less antagonistic than other internet fan bases and generally have good things to say about our program when Georgetown comes up on their boards (from what I've seen). But they ARE convinced that it's just a matter of time with Hairston and Thornton (as well as some other very highly regarded prospects). I'd love to see us pull Hairston after they were so convinced, but I have my doubts. FWIW, they also seem to think Roscoe Smith is a UNC lean, which would not surprise me but I have no inside knowledge.
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Post by RDF on Jul 22, 2008 0:07:58 GMT -5
All Thornton does is win games--and that carries weight with me. Gonzaga wins, his DC Assault team has only lost one tournament they've entered--he plays on 16U team, and he knows how to do the little things that a good point should--also is best defensive point the Hoyas are recruiting in that class. The thing I look at a good point guard--can he make his teammates better--and does he know how to play the position. When you have a team full of people who can score--you don't need a great scorer--and the kid's offensive game isn't bad--just that Starks and Atkins are extremely talented offensive scorers/shooters.
However--it doesn't surprise Thornton has had an offer for a long time--and at this time Eric Atkins doesn't--but not sure about Starks--who has been reported as not having one and as having one. They are all extremely talented kids--but Thornton is a guy I wouldn't be surprised to see end up a Hoya.
Duke trying to change their image right now--as they are seen as pansies who just fire 3's and flop--oh wait--that is pretty much a reality of their past 2 teams--but they win due to a mediocre ACC the past 2 years and fact they had gone pretty soft in non conference and not taken many risks. Seems K is trying to go back to the Elton Brand, Maggette, Carrawell, etc.. days and get more athletic/tough--which he hasn't had in a LONG time. K should never get a big time post player--the guy has no clue how to coach interior play--he is the reason Boozer and McRoberts were 2nd Round Picks--and Brand left there before K could mess him up and have him retrieve 3pt misses as his scoring option.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 22, 2008 0:15:24 GMT -5
Why do any on you take seriously what Duke fans are thinking/saying? They are guessing just like everyone else and don't really know what's going on with any player, including those that are supposedly UNC leans. And this "hopefully the Gonzaga connection helps" stuff has to stop concerning Thornton. It makes us Hoya fans seem more desperate for any hint of an edge or hope.
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Post by hoyasexy on Jul 22, 2008 10:11:50 GMT -5
Tyler is very close with Kendall Marshall. They played together at a very young age. Because they play the same position, they knew that they wouldn't be able to play on the same team, so they dreamed about playing each other as much as possible. They had always talked about one going to UNC and the other going to Duke.
We may have a lot of advantages over Duke (closer to home, Gonzaga connections, etc.), but it may be hard to overcome some advantages that Duke can provide as well. Obviously, this is similar to our recruitment of Greg, who also stated that he had "always dreamed" about playing for Duke, but it's a tough hill to climb, and we won't always be so successful.
I'm a big fan of Tyler's. I love his game, and I think he'll do very well wherever he goes. I don't know much about Starks or any of the other guards, other than what I see here, but I know that I would take Tyler in a hearbeat.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jul 22, 2008 10:18:03 GMT -5
pretty good player let sse what happens go hoyas go zags little zags yup
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Post by prhoya on Jul 22, 2008 10:27:46 GMT -5
Tyler is very close with Kendall Marshall. They played together at a very young age. Because they play the same position, they knew that they wouldn't be able to play on the same team, so they dreamed about playing each other as much as possible. They had always talked about one going to UNC and the other going to Duke. Ohhhh, a love story...
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Post by FewFAC on Jul 22, 2008 18:35:41 GMT -5
While I don't advocate resting on one's laurels, I'm not as itching to beat Duke out for every recruit after landing Greg. Plus, there's a lot to be said for choosing Duke if one wants to be a point guard. Then, there's the issue of would you prefer to play point on a team with legitimate interior offensive threats, or the team hoping they don't play a team with a legitimate interior offensive threat.
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