austintex
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Post by austintex on Apr 25, 2008 8:50:32 GMT -5
We have no idea what type of player Macklin is going to become over the next two years. He's got the physical abilities, and with more playing time it could very well all come together for him. We might end up really regretting this.
The folks who are shrugging at his departure probably would have done the same if Hibbert had left after his sophomore year...
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 25, 2008 8:56:04 GMT -5
Considering that Hibbert was already well established after his sophomore year and had just slapped around the B10 POY in a tournament game, I think the situations are a bit different. Regardless, it's not a good thing.
Sims may not start, but there's very little chance he's not getting 20 mpg next year.
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Post by theexorcist on Apr 25, 2008 9:09:01 GMT -5
We have no idea what type of player Macklin is going to become over the next two years. He's got the physical abilities, and with more playing time it could very well all come together for him. We might end up really regretting this. The folks who are shrugging at his departure probably would have done the same if Hibbert had left after his sophomore year... I don't think we'll "regret" this. Macklin was a massive liability this year. Next year, he seemed like he'd start (at least to start). That, to me, seems more than fair. If Macklin wasn't happy with his PT this year ... uh, the team functioned pretty without the offense running through him. I wish him the best, and I would have loved to see him move into his own, but he never played that well in the system. A move to a different system may allow him to show his talents better.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 25, 2008 9:25:45 GMT -5
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Post by boxout05 on Apr 25, 2008 10:05:34 GMT -5
Good luck to Vernon. This isn't good for us because as much as he hampered our offense, we need bodies up front, people to eat minutes and give fouls. At the very least, he'd have given us some experience and some energy on D. Going to war with just the trio of freshman isn't a formula for success.
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Post by kghoya on Apr 25, 2008 10:20:13 GMT -5
the thing about macklin not fitting into this system are valid but i thought we were going to see the offense changed a bit for the upcoming season. not a total overhaul but some more uptemo play worked into the methodical beat downs that we are used to
oh well...lets all send out some good vibes for chris to get into school
man i wish we had gilchrist now more than ever
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Post by kchoya on Apr 25, 2008 10:27:36 GMT -5
classless statement. good luck vern. sorry to see you go. team will be worse off without you. thanks for your contributions. Hey edited, what's so classless about it? The kid is clearly wasting a great opportunity on a great basketball program at a great university. There's no indication there's an issue with grades, family matters or other outside issues. So if Macklin wants to throw away this golden opportunity, then I say good riddance to him.
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Post by capcenterhoya on Apr 25, 2008 10:28:14 GMT -5
at least we won't have to watch him shoot free throws anymore. im sure it was the georgetown system's fault that he can't shoot free throws
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 25, 2008 10:37:33 GMT -5
classless statement. good luck vern. sorry to see you go. team will be worse off without you. thanks for your contributions. Hey edited, what's so classless about it? The kid is clearly wasting a great opportunity on a great basketball program at a great university. There's no indication there's an issue with grades, family matters or other outside issues. So if Macklin wants to throw away this golden opportunity, then I say good riddance to him. Finally, someone else getting a little bit riled up about this! Enough with the edited "Hope things work out in ACC-ville"! A faster style WILL get him to the line more often, so he can probably pick up some in-game practice bricking the ball of the backboard. I'm really floored by how forgiving everyone on this board is.
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 25, 2008 10:42:59 GMT -5
Don't rely on this until a real announcement comes out, but one of my friends said that they talked to him last night while they were out and got the impression that he was looking towards the local CAA schools (GMU, others, and Maryland...i know they aren't CAA but yeah).
Disclaimer: I can not attest to the sobriety of either party in this situation
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Post by prhoya on Apr 25, 2008 10:49:50 GMT -5
So, how many NCAA Championships do we win if we have two transfers per season?
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 25, 2008 10:52:46 GMT -5
If you look at the Colts model in football, they keep guys around and that is why they are good. This definitely hurts.
I was always a VMack champion and I am disappointed but maybe he heard something in his exit interview from the season that he didn't like. ie..competition to start, role player vs. go to guy, etc.??
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Post by hoya95 on Apr 25, 2008 11:07:04 GMT -5
As a fan, I'm disappointed that he's leaving and really thought he could be a help next year. But that's pretty irrelevant. I do hope that he has the best chance to be successful wherever he goes. That's why the Barker blog entry seems pretty troubling. Sounds like he is getting bad advice from family, friends, etc. If all he is hearing is "they were holding you back" instead of "here's what you need to do to get better," then he is very likely to struggle no matter where he winds up. And that would be a real shame. You only get a limited time to maximize your talent. (Caveat, of course, that I have no way of knowing if what Barker is reporting is true.)
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Post by thebin on Apr 25, 2008 11:10:22 GMT -5
classless statement. good luck vern. sorry to see you go. team will be worse off without you. thanks for your contributions. Hey edited, what's so classless about it? The kid is clearly wasting a great opportunity on a great basketball program at a great university. There's no indication there's an issue with grades, family matters or other outside issues. So if Macklin wants to throw away this golden opportunity, then I say good riddance to him. I agree. I'm tired of people telling me I have to wish someone well who just bailed on his commitment for no good reason. I don't wish him harm, and I don't wish him well. I can only actually give a damn about him if he has the blue and gray on. I think a lot of people blow sunshine about how they really feel when someone transfers because they feel they have to take some sort of parenting posture- I find that curious to say the least. He was a massive disappointment- he had a chance to make a come back of sorts, but let's face it- it would have been a surprise had he turned into nearly the player we all wanted him to be. You don't see quantum leaps from soph to frosh all that often. That is what was needed, nothing short of a a sea change in his game.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Apr 25, 2008 11:10:52 GMT -5
If you look at the Colts model in football, they keep guys around and that is why they are good. This definitely hurts. I was always a VMack champion and I am disappointed but maybe he heard something in his exit interview from the season that he didn't like. ie..competition to start, role player vs. go to guy, etc.?? So we should look at a pro football team's model to determine what's best for our college basketball team? Sounds like JTIII should start recruiting more people that can rush the quarterback...can never have too many of those. I have usually wished other transfers good luck because I understood the reason(s). I don't know Vernon's reasons, but if the reasons are really playing time, style and/or incoming talent, well then, good riddance. He was likely to become a starter on a more up tempo, quality team in the best conference around. Enjoy dunking on some 6-5 kid from JMU, the NBA will be very impressed. hm hm
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Post by Jack on Apr 25, 2008 11:12:54 GMT -5
If you look at the Colts model in football, they keep guys around and that is why they are good. This definitely hurts. Strange comparison. You could also look at the Patriots who have been more successful despite key players leaving every year, but ultimately pro football has nothing to do with college basketball in terms of roster construction.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Apr 25, 2008 11:19:46 GMT -5
If you look at the Colts model in football, they keep guys around and that is why they are good. This definitely hurts. Strange comparison. You could also look at the Patriots who have been more successful despite key players leaving every year, but ultimately pro football has nothing to do with college basketball in terms of roster construction. More successful until they met up with the New York Giants!!!
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Post by dailey247 on Apr 25, 2008 11:20:58 GMT -5
First, to anyone who thinks V-Mac was going to become an impact player next year, I suggest you read this: basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9Second, to everyone who is wailing that we will be too "thin up front," calm down. True, we will not have many experienced, tall players. True, we will almost assuredly give up more 2 point baskets next year. But does this mean we're not going to be able to beat anyone in the Big East anymore? Instead of moaning about how often Summers and Freeman will have to play "out of position," think about how quick we're going to be with the ball. Think about the motion plays we can run without any slower, lumbering bigs on the floor. Forget about how we're going to match up with other teams, and ask yourself how teams are going to match up WITH US. See Warriors vs. Mavericks 2007 for an example. And sure, other teams can make adjustments against our smaller lineups, but that's basketball. It's up to the coaches to make counter-adjustments right back. I, personally, think JTIII and the staff are up to the challenge. Third, any chance Rivers transfers too? MOD NOTE: NO speculation here on potential transfers of active players.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 25, 2008 11:21:58 GMT -5
Strange comparison. You could also look at the Patriots who have been more successful despite key players leaving every year, but ultimately pro football has nothing to do with college basketball in terms of roster construction. More successful until they met up with the New York Giants!!! Says the guy who said that, if he had to choose, he'd rather have the Hoyas win at L'Ville than the Giants win the Super Bowl ;D
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Post by GUHoya07 on Apr 25, 2008 11:23:48 GMT -5
More successful until they met up with the New York Giants!!! Says the guy who said that, if he had to choose, he'd rather have the Hoyas win at L'Ville than the Giants win the Super Bowl ;D And I stand by that statement to this day! I follow the Giants pretty closely, but Georgetown Basketball is so much more important to me than any other sport, its not even close.
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