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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Apr 24, 2008 20:25:51 GMT -5
good luck to vmack. Dissapointed it didnt work out with all the hype that surrounded "THe Big Ticket" coming into the program but can't say that he had even come close to being the player we thought he would be. The big debate pre-freshmen year was whether he was a one and done player which proved to be far from an accurate assessment of where VMack was as a player.
I hope that he chooses a program that best uses his skills and keeps his 20% Free throw shooting shielded from competition.
This program will be fine with or without him. Big Man U will continue to bring in the recruits that will have us competing for a top spot in the nation year in and year out. In JTIII we trust.
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Post by beantownhoya1 on Apr 24, 2008 20:57:16 GMT -5
I think Vernon would have gotten some decent PT at the beginning of the year, while the freshmen are still getting used to the system. However, I think his minutes would have dropped off significantly entering Big East play and the end of the season as the freshmen start to learn the system and gel as a team. Now, it looks like we might have to play some more inexperienced players more than we'd like to at the beginning; that is the only downfall I see out of this whole thing.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 24, 2008 21:08:37 GMT -5
I'll be honest. This is one of the most disappointing events in JT3's tenure this far. I'm not saying that I blame the staff because I don't. Some guys don't develop, and there is as much evidence to say that Vern didn't live up to his potential and did not develop as there is to say that the first half of Davidson was just a preview of what he can do. That being said, his potential and what he could bring to the team next year might have been dramatic. He is a big who can run the floor and could have meshed well with Wright as he did this year and create an uptempo variant of what we've been doing.
His departure also means that our ability to put Dajuan back in his natural position at SF is reduced. Monroe will obviously start now, and, maybe, Sims. Our bench is Braswell if he qualifies. Foul trouble for Sims and/or Monroe in a game then means that we have to go back to 3 guard plus Summers and the remaining forward, assuming Braswell qualifies.
I wish Vern the best but also wish he had decided differently. I just wish there was more hunger there among some of these guys to be "the man" at Georgetown than at Marshall, Delaware, or whatever the destination school might be.
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Post by Hoya TMF on Apr 24, 2008 22:00:19 GMT -5
i don't see any way that sims and monroe start together. i see an abssurdly small lineup with both austin and summers playing out of position and we're still think up front. i really hope we can pick up a serviceable big man from juco or something.
like barker, i really don't understand why macklin would make this decision now. alas.
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Post by swhoya on Apr 24, 2008 22:37:11 GMT -5
How can you say you don't see anyway that sims and monroe start together? On the basis of....?
I mean, it's one thing to say we keep expecting Macklin to make this big leap next year, when all past history points the other way, and yet we're down on the incoming freshmen that have yet to have a single practice together?
And we're by no means and absurdly small team now that Macklin is gone. Look at Duke this year if you want to talk about an absurdly small team. We won't have quite as much depth, but we ain't gonna be small.
I just don't get it. A 3 point 2 board a game player transfers and suddenly the sky is falling in. Because of what...the miraculous leap he was going to make next year? The freshmen will get his minutes and we'll be better in the longrun for it.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 24, 2008 22:38:33 GMT -5
And as for Macklin specificly, we're all just guessing, but I just didn't expect him to be much of a contributor next season. I think the fact he only got 3 points and 2 boards a game wasn't just a function of limited minutes behind Roy, it was just...not there. He'd show flashes here and there, but for the most part, he just never consistently brought it. 20% free throw percentage? Are you kidding me? Maybe he would have had the breakout season some people keep talking about, but here's the facts: --he didn't have the impact we hoped for when he came in. --he didn't have the improvement last year we hoped for/expected. --two years at 3 points and 2 boards. So maybe in the short-term, especially early season, we'll be hurt by the loss. In the long term, our freshmen will get more minutes and more experience, and at this point, we still have the hopes for them that we had when Macklin came in two years ago. I hope you're right because it will mean we're near the top of the league. But, IMO, you're not. His minutes, his experience and his fouls will be missed, even though he scored 3 pts per. I was thinking that he would improve through his four years along the lines of Pat Jr.'s overall improvement in his game from his Indiana days.
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Post by JimmyHoya on Apr 24, 2008 22:52:34 GMT -5
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Post by swhoya on Apr 24, 2008 23:02:06 GMT -5
Props to JimmyHoya for seeing through the divisions and bringing us together....in our common hatred of idiot Terp fans.
There may be disagreements on this board, but I've never seen anything as dumb as DailyLama around here.
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Post by ichirohoya on Apr 24, 2008 23:31:02 GMT -5
Oh well. The program will go on. Signing Vern was, it turns out, a much bigger deal than actually having Vern.
Best of luck to the kid. Maybe we'll bump into him in an NCAA tournament in 2 years...
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 24, 2008 23:44:28 GMT -5
Say what you will about what's right and wrong for players to do, but I have a distinct feeling that the character of this team has taken a sharp turn for the negative w/ the loss of our seniors. Sure, we expected there to be a hit, but there's something about this team's older core (Sapp, Dajuan, formerly Macklin, Rivers) that I'm not trusting to carry the torch of class, reliability, and loyalty that we're used to.
I'm going to be interested to see how the remaining 3 deal w/ this. My impression is that these 4 were close. Does one of them leaving have any impact?
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 24, 2008 23:59:36 GMT -5
Say what you will about what's right and wrong for players to do, but I have a distinct feeling that the character of this team has taken a sharp turn for the negative w/ the loss of our seniors. Sure, we expected there to be a hit, but there's something about this team's older core (Sapp, Dajuan, formerly Macklin, Rivers) that I'm not trusting to carry the torch of class, reliability, and loyalty that we're used to. I'm going to be interested to see how the remaining 3 deal w/ this. My impression is that these 4 were close. Does one of them leaving have any impact? What evidence leads you to impugn the class, reliability, and loyalty of Sapp, Summers, and Rivers? Astounding.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 25, 2008 0:05:09 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Apr 25, 2008 0:07:12 GMT -5
Say what you will about what's right and wrong for players to do, but I have a distinct feeling that the character of this team has taken a sharp turn for the negative w/ the loss of our seniors. Sure, we expected there to be a hit, but there's something about this team's older core (Sapp, Dajuan, formerly Macklin, Rivers) that I'm not trusting to carry the torch of class, reliability, and loyalty that we're used to. I'm going to be interested to see how the remaining 3 deal w/ this. My impression is that these 4 were close. Does one of them leaving have any impact? Two things: 1) Vernon and DaJuan seem very close. I don't know what effect that has on this. 2) If I trust any player to guide our team through some adversity, to stay loyal, to be a veteran presence, to steady the ship, it it Jessie Sapp. Sure, in game he is both hot-headed and a little bone-headed at times, yes, that is true. But off the court, in my one-on-one dealings with him, he has seemed like a model teammate, a good leader, and a really warm guy.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 25, 2008 0:13:25 GMT -5
Say what you will about what's right and wrong for players to do, but I have a distinct feeling that the character of this team has taken a sharp turn for the negative w/ the loss of our seniors. Sure, we expected there to be a hit, but there's something about this team's older core (Sapp, Dajuan, formerly Macklin, Rivers) that I'm not trusting to carry the torch of class, reliability, and loyalty that we're used to. I'm going to be interested to see how the remaining 3 deal w/ this. My impression is that these 4 were close. Does one of them leaving have any impact? What evidence leads you to impugn the class, reliability, and loyalty of Sapp, Summers, and Rivers? Astounding. I don't have evidence. I never purported to have evidence. The closest thing I have to "evidence" will get me yelled at for starting a rumor. That's why I just stated my own fear about where the hearts of some people are at. I hope I'm wrong, but it's not unreasonable to think that the guys we have left don't have their heart in this program to the same degree as the guys who started w/ nothing and got us to where we are...the guys who got Vernon his FF ring.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 25, 2008 0:22:18 GMT -5
I don't have evidence. I never purported to have evidence. The closest thing I have to "evidence" will get me yelled at for starting a rumor. That's why I just stated my own fear about where the hearts of some people are at. I hope I'm wrong, but it's not unreasonable to think that the guys we have left don't have their heart in this program to the same degree as the guys who started w/ nothing and got us to where we are...the guys who got Vernon his FF ring. All I can say is that answer speaks for itself; you do an incredible disservice by slandering those student athletes who remain members of the team.
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Apr 25, 2008 0:44:56 GMT -5
classless statement. good luck vern. sorry to see you go. team will be worse off without you. thanks for your contributions.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Apr 25, 2008 6:41:49 GMT -5
watching vern, he always seemed to be a square peg trying to fit into a round hole in our offense. i think it could have worked with an offseason of hard work day after day on his part, but i guess he'd just rather leave. he'll be 22 in september, and he'll have to sit out a season before he can play at another DI school. so that will make him what, almost 24 if/when he is drafted if he leaves after the 2009-2010 season? it just doesn't make any sense.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Apr 25, 2008 7:15:25 GMT -5
I'm going to be interested to see how the remaining 3 deal w/ this. My impression is that these 4 were close. Does one of them leaving have any impact? One of the first few concerns that popped into my head was the recollection of those rumors on this board a couple months ago that claimed Rivers was the one terribly uncomfortable with his role and how he was fitting into the team chemistry (or rather wasn't). So one of the first questions that popped into my mind was whether this would alleviate any of those alleged intra-squad tensions or just tear at the seams more. I'm disappointed that Ticket is leaving, and I hope he finds an environment more to his liking.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 25, 2008 7:56:46 GMT -5
I'm going to be interested to see how the remaining 3 deal w/ this. My impression is that these 4 were close. Does one of them leaving have any impact? I'm thinking that Sapp, being the only senior and team captain, will be the most Editeded... He needs to get the frosh to gel quickly.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 25, 2008 8:37:25 GMT -5
In regard to some of the comments about lineup: Sapp, Freeman, and Summers will start. There is about a 95% chance that Wright will also start. Thus, there is no possible way that Monroe and Sims both start.
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