hifigator
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Post by hifigator on Dec 13, 2007 16:32:42 GMT -5
Didn't you hear him answer the last question at the press conference? He was asked a two-parter:
1. Was he satisfied with the information the report had discovered
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2. How satisfied was he with the cooperation of current players and MLB players' association?
His answer was: (paraphrase) "to the first question -- yes. And to the second, I think the report makes it quite clear that the players' association was not for the most part very cooperative."
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Post by hifigator on Dec 13, 2007 16:36:40 GMT -5
I, for one am glad to see that none of the players that I really respect were on the list.
No Greg Maddux or Nolan Ryan as some had suggested. There wasn't any John Smoltz or Tom Glavine -- two other pitchers with unusually long productive careers. And guys like A-Rod, Griffey and Pujols were absent as well. I guess we still have a few clean superstars out there. Lastly, not that I ever doubted for a minute, but we didn't see the iron man, Ripken Jr. either.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2007 16:50:38 GMT -5
Just because they aren't in the report doesn't mean they're clean. It just means they weren't provided 'roids or HGH or other controlled substances by Radomski or McNamee.
To say those guys are clean based solely on the Mitchell Report is quite wrong.
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Post by hifigator on Dec 13, 2007 16:57:43 GMT -5
I know that, but it means that at least as of now, we don't know for sure that they are dirty.
In all seriousness, I am cautiously optimistic that every name on my list is in fact clean.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 13, 2007 17:02:13 GMT -5
Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus.
Now, about that Brooklyn Bridge...
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Post by hifigator on Dec 13, 2007 17:06:11 GMT -5
LOL Dan.
Seriously though, my list was Ryan, Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine, Griffey Jr. and Ripken Jr. I honestly think that they are all clean. I also mentioned A-Rod and Pujols and they are the reason I added "cautiously" to the optimistic.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 13, 2007 17:25:18 GMT -5
LOL Dan. Seriously though, my list was Ryan, Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine, Griffey Jr. and Ripken Jr. I honestly think that they are all clean. I also mentioned A-Rod and Pujols and they are the reason I added "cautiously" to the optimistic. Is that because they are all well-groomed and comport themselves well in public?
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Post by hifigator on Dec 13, 2007 17:38:56 GMT -5
LOL Dan. Seriously though, my list was Ryan, Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine, Griffey Jr. and Ripken Jr. I honestly think that they are all clean. I also mentioned A-Rod and Pujols and they are the reason I added "cautiously" to the optimistic. Is that because they are all well-groomed and comport themselves well in public? Just to clarify, the first group simply gives me no reason to suspect them. John Smoltz is the only one that could be accused of being a late bloomer. He has certainly had 3 or 4 of his best years after he turned 30, but other than that, none of the first group exhibit the typical circumstantial evidence of steroid use. In the case of A-Rod and Pujols, they are certainly physically gifted. I can only hope that it is through good old hard work. In all seriousness, at least to my naked eye, they have pretty much always looked the same. By the way, I never commented on Brady Anderson. Has there ever, EVER been someone who exhibeted the effects of steroid use as much? That guy was like 180 and had never hit 10 homers in a season. Then all of a sudden, the very next year he was 215 and hit over 50!!!! Sorry, if it looks like sh!t and smells like sh!t, then it's probably sh!t.
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Post by ichirohoya on Dec 13, 2007 17:43:35 GMT -5
I've gotta echo what hifi says about Anderson. I'm an Orioles fan. My family loved Brady. My sister wanted to marry him. BUT- my gosh man- how did Mitchell find out about what was going on with the Orioles around 2001 and not find any dirt on Anderson? How could he NOT have been on the juice?
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Post by vcjack on Dec 13, 2007 17:44:01 GMT -5
Have any of the players on this list commented about it yet? I feel like before the end of the week we'll see some public exhibitions of roid rage
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Post by ichirohoya on Dec 13, 2007 17:49:22 GMT -5
Clemens issued a denial.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 13, 2007 18:19:34 GMT -5
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Post by Oh My! on Dec 13, 2007 18:54:08 GMT -5
hoyaboy: difficult to investigate anything where you have no real subpoena power and the people you are investigating are instructed by their union and its attorneys not to cooperate. As I said in the other thread, this report will only have validity if it slams ownership as well. Since I am at work, I haven't had time to read it or watch the coverage like the rest of you bloodthirsty shut-ins. Dan---There are some comments on ownership, but mostly in reference to turning a blind eye (or a deaf ear) to specific reports of [their own] players warranting suspicion &/or investigation.
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Post by Jack on Dec 13, 2007 19:08:09 GMT -5
Gee, do you think maybe his recourse could have been to speak to the investigators when given the chance? Sorry, I really should be more sensitive to his 5th Amendment rights, but as a Sox fan I take more than a little pleasure in seeing the Texas Con Man humbled like this. Overall I believe this report is unfair to the players named, if only because it cannot possibly claim to be comprehensive. But if there is one person who should feel vindicated by this report it is Dan Duquette- Roger's "twilight years" may have come much sooner had he not made the acquaintance of Mr. McNamee in Toronto.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 13, 2007 21:52:10 GMT -5
Like Buff, I was particularly flabbergasted to see F.P. Santangelo on this list. I have such fond memories of his time as a Dodger, when he hit something like .052. Way to go, F.P.!
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Post by The Stig on Dec 14, 2007 0:14:43 GMT -5
Like Buff, I was particularly flabbergasted to see F.P. Santangelo on this list. I have such fond memories of his time as a Dodger, when he hit something like .052. Way to go, F.P.! Steroids don't do anything for hand-eye coordination
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Dec 14, 2007 6:11:09 GMT -5
John Rocker?! Say it ain't so ...
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Post by strummer8526 on Dec 14, 2007 8:49:28 GMT -5
John Rocker?! Say it ain't so ... I wonder if he got his needles on the 7 train.
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Post by SDHoya on Dec 14, 2007 9:49:35 GMT -5
The only name that really disappoints me (although in no way suprises me, and anyhow, he admitted it a few years ago) is Ken Caminiti. He WAS the Padres in the mid to late 90s. There is this great story that defined him back then: he was so sick with the flu before a game that he could barely stand up, but told Bochy that he wanted to play. So he eats a Snickers bar, and then proceeds to hit two homeruns in the game. Needless to say, Snickers bars were huge in San Diego for a couple years. Its like the Mickey Mantle story when he was Edited-drunk, but took to the plate anyways and somehow hit one out, only then to stumble around the bases; except, Caminiti's story was with candy. Or so we thought.
Now the Snickers story is just ruined.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 14, 2007 10:33:13 GMT -5
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