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Post by Cambridge on Nov 4, 2007 22:41:47 GMT -5
That coupled with the extremely questionable defensive pass interference call on the pats leads me to believe the refs came into the game with an agenda.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Nov 4, 2007 22:55:01 GMT -5
Well, actually, people WERE talking about it at the time. From the Texans game recap on ESPN: Eric Allen's Analysis
Should the Colts have taken Peyton Manning out in the fourth quarter (leading 42-7)?
I don't think they should have for two reasons. One, right now Manning is extremely hot and has the opportunity to break a few very hard to reach records. It's nice to see a guy in the zone that much still on the field making it happen for his team. Second, as scary as it might sound to defensive coordinators, this team still hasn't completely found its offensive rhythm. They haven't gotten the normal outstanding contribution from WR Marvin Harrison. Once he gets into his rhythm this team could be even better.
In the game against the Bears, the Colts 4th quarter plays were as follows: Indianapolis at 12:42 1st and 10 at IND 20 5 yard penalty on Indy. 41 1st and 15 at IND 15 Dominic Rhodes (IND) rushed right side for 7 yards. 2nd and 8 at IND 22 Dominic Rhodes (IND) rushed left side for 10 yards. 1st and 10 at IND 32 Dominic Rhodes (IND) rushed left side for 14 yards. 1st and 10 at IND 46 5 yard penalty on Chicago. 1st and 10 at CHI 49 Dominic Rhodes (IND) rushed up the middle for 6 yards. 2nd and 4 at CHI 43 5 yard penalty on Indy. 2nd and 9 at CHI 48 James Mungro (IND) rushed up the middle for 5 yards. 3rd and 4 at CHI 43 James Mungro (IND) rushed left side for 8 yards. 1st and 10 at CHI 35 Dominic Rhodes (IND) rushed right side for 17 yards. 1st and 10 at CHI 18 Dominic Rhodes (IND) rushed left side for -2 yards. 2nd and 12 at CHI 20 James Mungro (IND) rushed up the middle for 1 yard. 3rd and 11 at CHI 19 Dominic Rhodes (IND) rushed left side for 1 yard. 4th and 10 at CHI 18 Dominic Rhodes (IND) rushed left side for 1 yard; turnover on downs
Chicago at 1:37 Kickoff returned by Dominic Rhodes (IND) for 24 yards. 1st and 10 at IND 33 Jim Sorgi (IND) rushed up the middle for -1 yards. 2nd and 11 at IND 33 Jim Sorgi (IND) rushed up the middle for -1 yards. 3rd and 12 at IND 32 Jim Sorgi (IND) rushed up the middle for -1 yards. 4th and 13 at IND 31 End of the 4th quarter. End of the game. From the ESPN recap of the 41-9 victory over the Lions: The Colts replaced Manning with Jim Sorgi late in the third quarter. Otherwise, the QB would have had a shot at tying the NFL record of seven touchdown passes in a game, shared by five players -- Sid Luckman, Adrian Burk, George Blanda, Y.A. Tittle and Joe Kapp.The Colts did not score in the 4th quarter of that game. In the last one of the four, the 51-24 victory over the Titans, the Colts started the 4th quarter up 41-24, a 17-point margin (the Colts once made up a 35-14 deficit in the last four minutes of regulation and went on to win the game in OT. This was against the Bucs on MNF in 2003). They scored on a Manning TD pass in the first 3 minutes of the quarter. After that point, here were the Colts plays: Indianapolis at 9:53 1st and 10 at IND 27 Dominic Rhodes (IND) rushed right side for -1 yards. 2nd and 11 at IND 27 Dominic Rhodes (IND) rushed left side for 55 yards. 1st and 10 at TEN 18 Indy timeout; 08:32 remaining 4th quarter 1st and 10 at TEN 18 Dominic Rhodes (IND) rushed up the middle for -3 yards. 2nd and 13 at TEN 21 Dominic Rhodes (IND) rushed right side for 2 yards. 3rd and 11 at TEN 19 Jim Sorgi (IND) pass incomplete across the middle. 4th and 11 at TEN 19 37 yard field goal by Mike Vanderjagt (IND) is good.
1st and 10 at IND 8 15 yard penalty on Tennessee. 1st and 10 at IND 23 Jim Sorgi (IND) rushed up the middle for -1 yards. 2nd and 11 at IND 22 Jim Sorgi (IND) rushed up the middle for -1 yards. 3rd and 12 at IND 21 Jim Sorgi (IND) rushed up the middle for -2 yards. 4th and 14 at IND 19 End of the 4th quarter. End of the game.
No one can honestly equate these finishes to what the Pats have been doing. Whether or not what the Pats are doing is "right" or not, there's a clear difference in philosophies on display.
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Post by Cambridge on Nov 5, 2007 0:15:55 GMT -5
Did anyone else notice that the Colts were using artificial crowd noise? That is illegal and specifically against NFL rules. They have been warned about it several times in the past and I imagine they will be fined. You can hear it during this clip taken from right after one of Moss's catches. The crowd is extremely loud, then suddenly goes quiet while the CD skips...then stops for a second. BUSTED! Colts front office and sidelines are full of a bunch of classless hypocrites. Piping in extra crowd noise to deafen the other team's offense...cheating. Plain and simple. I hope the league takes away a draft pick and fines Dungy $500,000. www.profootballtalk.com/Moss_Catch_Audio.mp3[EDIT] Here it is on video...about the 2:27 mark. www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d803e4990The Sporting News picks up on this...as well as the bad calls: www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=300221" 3. Pats have every right to be upset Though the New England Patriots got out of Indy with a win, the NFL's lone remaining unbeaten team has every right to be livid about the quality (or lack thereof) of the officiating. The worst calls involved cases of pass interference. It started when Colts tight end Dallas Clark mauled Pats safety Rodney Harrison in the end zone on a ball Harrison might have been able to intercept. No call. It continued when Patriots cornerback Asante Samuel was flagged for interfering with Colts receiver Anthony Gonzalez on a ball that was simply not catchable. It happened again when New England corner Ellis Hobbs was flagged for interference after Indy wideout Reggie Wayne literally tackled him. The worst call was made in the fourth quarter, with the Patriots driving and trailing by 10. From the Indianapolis 3, New England quarterback Tom Brady threw to Randy Moss in the end zone. When the dust settled, Moss was flagged for offensive pass interference, even though he did nothing that would remotely classify as offensive pass interference. While New England overcame the 10-yard penalty to score a touchdown, the victory was a lot more difficult than it should have been because of the questionable decisions of the officials. So what gives? Was it sheer incompetence? Or have the Patriots become the equivalent of the Raiders in the eyes of the NFL and those who officiate its games? 4. Milli Vanilli moment in Indy? In the past, teams that have visited the RCA Dome have questioned whether the Colts pipe in artificial crowd noise in an effort to disrupt the road team's offense. Though the Colts have denied any such chicanery (thanks, Tiki), the suspicions remain. And the suspicions will only grow stronger after Sunday's game against the Patriots. During the first play of the fourth quarter, the noise from the crowd contained a strange effect. It almost sounded like my kid was working the "Whammy Bar" while playing Guitar Hero. We don't know whether that noise could be heard in the stadium, but it was obvious on the television broadcast. And it invites speculation as to whether the Colts are indeed piping in phony music -- and whether there was a malfunction of some sort on Sunday that offered proof of it."
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 5, 2007 0:48:27 GMT -5
Cambridge, stop your whining. Clearly the Patriots are cheaters. Stop trying to change the subject.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 5, 2007 0:52:18 GMT -5
Russky, the Patriots last 3 plays against the Colts:
1st and 10 at IND 32 (2:00) T.Brady kneels to IND 34 for -2 yards. 2nd and 12 at IND 34 (1:18) T.Brady kneels to IND 35 for -1 yards. 3rd and 13 at IND 35 (:37) T.Brady kneels to IND 36 for -1 yards.
Clearly, the Patriots were trying to stay under the spread. I call for an investigation.
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Post by Cambridge on Nov 5, 2007 0:53:05 GMT -5
Oh and real classy blaming the loss on injuries Peyton. Real classy.
Say what you will about Belichick and Brady, but they would never do that. Need proof? See their comments after losing to the Colts in the AFC championship game last year...despite being completely depleted by injuries.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Nov 5, 2007 6:50:19 GMT -5
i thought it was funny. the one time randy doesn't push off in that situation and they call a penalty.
one other horrible call....
3rd quarter, the pats had the ball 3rd and 20. brady goes to dump the ball off to faulk, who gets mauled by a colts LB, with no flag from the refs. brady went nuts.
the pats had a bunch of dumb penalties and the o-line played horribly but the 4 calls mentioned were blatantly bad.
also, how 'bout that adrian peterson ;D
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 5, 2007 9:40:14 GMT -5
i thought it was funny. the one time randy doesn't push off in that situation and they call a penalty. one other horrible call.... 3rd quarter, the pats had the ball 3rd and 20. brady goes to dump the ball off to faulk, who gets mauled by a colts LB, with no flag from the refs. brady went nuts. the pats had a bunch of dumb penalties and the o-line played horribly but the 4 calls mentioned were blatantly bad. also, how 'bout that adrian peterson ;D Oh, you mean the Purple Jesus? The guy who rushed for more yards in a single game than anyone else in HIS 8TH GAME IN THE NFL?? The guy that had now singlehandedly won two games for the Vikings? That Adrian Peterson? Or are you talking about the Adrian Peterson on da Bears? 'Cause he had an 8 yard run yesterday... ;D
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Nov 5, 2007 10:06:58 GMT -5
yes tbird, Purple Jesus, AP, AD (all day), the best running back i've ever seen...whatever you'd like to call him if only we had a DECENT QB
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 5, 2007 10:17:07 GMT -5
Did you see Peterson TAKE A KNEE on his last carry? At least he could have 'run it up' and been the first guy with a 300 yard game... so close.
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Post by vcjack on Nov 5, 2007 10:23:44 GMT -5
i thought it was funny. the one time randy doesn't push off in that situation and they call a penalty. one other horrible call.... 3rd quarter, the pats had the ball 3rd and 20. brady goes to dump the ball off to faulk, who gets mauled by a colts LB, with no flag from the refs. brady went nuts. the pats had a bunch of dumb penalties and the o-line played horribly but the 4 calls mentioned were blatantly bad. also, how 'bout that adrian peterson ;D Oh, you mean the Purple Jesus? The guy who rushed for more yards in a single game than anyone else in HIS 8TH GAME IN THE NFL?? The guy that had now singlehandedly won two games for the Vikings? That Adrian Peterson? Or are you talking about the Adrian Peterson on da Bears? 'Cause he had an 8 yard run yesterday... ;D Da Bears had a bye, but if our Adrian Peterson, or even better Cedrick Benson, had an 8 yard run I think we would hold a parade down Michigan Avenue
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 5, 2007 10:31:13 GMT -5
Oh, you mean the Purple Jesus? The guy who rushed for more yards in a single game than anyone else in HIS 8TH GAME IN THE NFL?? The guy that had now singlehandedly won two games for the Vikings? That Adrian Peterson? Or are you talking about the Adrian Peterson on da Bears? 'Cause he had an 8 yard run yesterday... ;D Da Bears had a bye, but if our Adrian Peterson, or even better Cedrick Benson, had an 8 yard run I think we would hold a parade down Michigan Avenue Oh well. I just looked at his last game stats. ;D
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Post by kchoya on Nov 5, 2007 10:35:04 GMT -5
Are patriot fans whining about the refs? Really? And then whining about Manning's comments? Really? Don't you give up your right to whine after winning three titles this decade? Isn't the team 9-0?
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Post by Cambridge on Nov 5, 2007 10:39:16 GMT -5
I'm just sick of the team being called evil all season, the Colts Polian leading the charge in Spygate then getting busted for pumping artificial sound into the game on national TV, suffering through a miserably amateurish reffing crew, and then Peyton claiming it the loss was due to injuries.
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Post by Boz on Nov 5, 2007 11:40:09 GMT -5
Personally, I thought the offensive interference was probably a bogus call, but this is a call that officials should be making much more often, and since Moss does it so often, I'm OK with it. And this is not an anti-Pats bias. I have believed this ever since Michael Irvin pushed off his way right into the Hall of Fame. Cornerbacks are barely allowed to breathe on receivers (except Ty Law in the 2003 [2004? I can't remember] AFC Championship ). Fine, if that's the way you want the rules. But then receivers shouldn't be able to touch cornerbacks or safeties either....at ALL. Interference is one of the most one-sided penalties in the league, always has been. It should be fixed. And defensive holding shouldn't be an automatic first down either. So there! Anyway, should be seeing this game again in January & it should be a good one. Som other AFC teams can make some noise, and possibly even knock out one of these heavyweights, but I doubt it. They're both just plain better than everyone else. EDIT: As for officials' bias, Belichick is a Edited. He doesn't care to mend that image. Officials are human. Editeds get fewer calls. Way of the world. I'm not defending the Colts, believe me. I'm a Baltimore fan. We've moved on, and the Ravens have their own championship now, so it's not a lot of bitterness anymore. But no one who likes Baltimore will ever actually openly ROOT for the Colts. I'm just saying Belichick is a Edited is all. Because he is.
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Post by kchoya on Nov 5, 2007 11:47:10 GMT -5
What? The Patriots played yesterday? I didn't hear a thing about that game. I really think ESPN, CBS and the rest of the media should have done more to publicize the game.
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Post by RDF on Nov 5, 2007 12:34:42 GMT -5
Adrian Peterson was sick HoyaFanNY and T-Bird--truly playing at a level that deserves the hype--especially when you consider I could find a JV HS QB who is as effective as any QB they have. Add to that Norv Turner and "Teddy Bear" Cottrell--truly disgraceful coaches who set back football 100 years. The Vikings have 1 offensive threat--and Cottrell doesn't do a thing to force them to throw--even if it meant bringing 9 up and playing press coverage outside--who is going to beat you? Disgraceful coaching. Norv Turner-nothing else needs to be said. A few questions to anyone who watched the Sunday Night game: 1. Why does McNabb wear oven mitts on sideline? That is truly odd. 2. When NBC comes back from commercial and "birdman" is making bird sounds--and there is no explination of WHY this is happening--should we be worried as a society? ;D 3. Why must we see Geno's Cheesesteaks during any Philly sporting event? I think if you are a viewer and know the game is playing in Philadelphia--you have heard of cheesesteaks and seen the Geno's promo. 4. How does a city worship a FICTIONAL character as much as Philly? Rocky is NOT REAL and does anyone in that city understand that? As for the game--how much longer before fans starting throwing drug paraphenalia on the field at Reid? Colts-Pats--entertaining game, and I think everyone has stated the obvious about terrible officiating. The play Moss was called for offensive interference-was a NO CALL--Moss and Jennings didn't do anything wrong. Let guys play with ball in air-Hobbs--who was screwed worse then Moss made a great play and it ends up giving Colts points. How the Colts run the stretch play as much as they do and are never called for holding--I'd like to ask NFL about. How Brady throws as much as he does and Pats are never called for holding--I'd like to ask NFL about. I realize you can all it on any play-but come on--the stretch running play in NFL? That is going to demand a hold on about half of the plays. It's slow developing and Manning does those Dan Marino in his Ski Boot handoffs where the play should get stuffed. NFL officiating is awful--the inconsistency, the fact if you have NFL Ticket you can see 5 different games and same play being called and have 5 different interpretations has me baffled--not that it happens but that it's not discussed more often by people. BTW I believe Mike Carey just called another penalty--it was 2 plays in a row without a flag and Carey needs to throw a flag, get air time, and give a speech longer then Vivian Stringer to explain why it was called. Ed Hochuli gets word of this--he'll one up him and show up in a muscle shirt and thong to call next game with a scroll to read his announcement of the call his crew just made.
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Post by Boz on Nov 5, 2007 13:14:17 GMT -5
All I know is that the ads for "Tin Man" at the top of this message board are starting to wig me out a little bit.
Though Zooey Dechanel is pretty cute. . .
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Post by Elvado on Nov 5, 2007 15:00:26 GMT -5
McNabb wears oven mitts on the sideline because he and his fellow fat bastard Andy Reid cook pizzas during the game.
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 5, 2007 15:59:01 GMT -5
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