NFL Playoff Thread

[RDF]

Nowhere did I say that ethics and class should be ignored--it's just that I don't feel that a person isn't classy if they don't shake someone's hand after a friggin game. Why does that matter if you offer congrats to the opposing team and praise them inspite of not shaking their hand? Why does the public need to see everything or have visual confirmation of what type of person you are? It's the professional world and some of the guys who appear "Classy" and are beloved are some of the biggest scumball a-hole pricks you could ever encounter. For all of Terrell Owens shenanigans, he's one of the more well liked players off the field--and those who encounter him are shocked at how he is away from football. However the public listens to media and doesn't like how he behaves at work, so they view him as a jerk.

All I'm saying is that in old days, football was a game where you tried to kick the living snot out of your opponent and after the game you went your own way--violence, cheap shots, etc.. would happen and you really didn't like the opposing team. Today--these guys make money, many don't care if they win or not as long as they get paid, and their allegiance is to their agency they've signed with. The money, combined with expansion is why Professional Sports is watered down and mediocre overall. As Jimmy Johnson said on FOX earlier this year--if he could change one thing for a year as Commissioner, he'd give more money to the teams that won and do away with guaranteed money and you'd see some real competition then--which is basically why players in the old days were more competitive--they NEEDED the money and only way you got it was through performance and winning. Guys today get paid regardless of their production.

I just don't like the lack of hatred for opponents in a competitive atmosphere. There is no such thing as "this team is due to win" or "it's their time to win-that team has won too much"--it's either get better or get crushed and instead our Pro Sports world has followed the pussification of society by weakening the strong to make the weak have a chance--the weak should be crushed and forced to raise their game, not lower excellence to make them/their followers feel better. It's why too many people are Edited today too. A lot of the Hoya fans on this site would HATE the old way Hoya teams played and think our team was a bunch of "thugs"--I LOVED Patrick Ewing Era because it was about intimidation, physically taking game to opponents, and not caring what it took to win or if anyone liked how they played. If there was a fight, Hoyas would THRIVE off that and go on a run and usually use it as fuel to win a game. Today--players would be ejected for telling each other off. It's BS. Hatred/Animosity for opponents is what make sports riveting. When two teams don't like each other and have big stakes on line--there is nothing more electric. If you think John Riggins and Randy White were playing grabass before/after a game, you have another thing coming--but there was mutal respect there. Respect and class are attributes that aren't measured by VISUAL proof--it's how you carry yourself everyday and when people aren't looking but in today's society that isn't the case as we've seen with some of the wimps who overreact to things as ignorant/stupid as "Did Belichick blow off Manning" or did "Brady kiss Manning's butt enough". If you want to go into "tradition", what about the grand ole saying "Show me a GOOD LOSER and I'll show you a LOSER". That's the point but guess it's not enough and maybe some of you guys buy into this media produced garbage, I don't like it or buy it.

[vcjack]

So RDF, are you suggesting that a player should hate players that beat them in a game, even though because every other player is a possible future teamate? Have you ever heard of teamwork? Do you think when the Colts signed Vinaterri that they feared "oh no, this guy might intentionally blow a game for us because he was on a rival team". And for you're argument "its not a game, its a job", well say I work for a money management firm and a competing firm has been outperforming mine, and out of jealouse hatred I start trying to undermine their clients. Fast foward five years and I have just transfered to that competing firm, do you think my immature actions will be forgotton? What did Carson Palmer gain from saying that he "hates the Steelers"? Nothing except a lot of fluff media hype when he played them next.

[RockawayHoya]

rdf said:

A lot of the Hoya fans on this site would HATE the old way Hoya teams played and think our team was a bunch of "thugs"--I LOVED Patrick Ewing Era because it was about intimidation, physically taking game to opponents, and not caring what it took to win or if anyone liked how they played. If there was a fight, Hoyas would THRIVE off that and go on a run and usually use it as fuel to win a game. Today--players would be ejected for telling each other off. It's BS. Hatred/Animosity for opponents is what make sports riveting. When two teams don't like each other and have big stakes on line--there is nothing more electric.

Though I haven't seen much of the old Hoyas except anything that they've ever shown on Classic, I know I'd love the "old way" Hoya teams played. I have very fond memories of watching the Bad Boys, "Jordan Rules," early-90's Knicks-Bulls and mid-90's Knicks-Heat. That was real basketball. One thing I have definitely wanted our current Hoya team to become is more physical in the paint on defense. That is, no uncontested layups, and if someone is going to drive to the bucket and we're forced to foul them, knock them down hard enough so that a) they can't get the "and 1," and b) they'll think twice about doing so again. Basketball certainly is a different game these days. Football has followed suit too, and I'm not certain it's for the better, either. I can't even imagine what it would have been like if say, Leonard Marshall had gotten a RTP call for "driving Joe Montana into the ground" in the '91 championship game.

[FormerHoya]

Has anyone seen this NFL Replay show on NFL Network?

I just watched the Bears game again. This is the best show ever. I'm Tivoing it on the 10 replay.

[RDF]

vcjack said:

So RDF, are you suggesting that a player should hate players that beat them in a game, even though because every other player is a possible future teamate? Have you ever heard of teamwork? Do you think when the Colts signed Vinaterri that they feared "oh no, this guy might intentionally blow a game for us because he was on a rival team". And for you're argument "its not a game, its a job", well say I work for a money management firm and a competing firm has been outperforming mine, and out of jealouse hatred I start trying to undermine their clients. Fast foward five years and I have just transfered to that competing firm, do you think my immature actions will be forgotton? What did Carson Palmer gain from saying that he "hates the Steelers"? Nothing except a lot of fluff media hype when he played them next.

Actually I advocate people just playing the game and not saying anything--never did I say you have to voice hatred, but you should feel it while competing. I just define competing a bit different then others--so when I see people complaining about Brady, Belichick, etc.... not giving "enough respect" or "showing class", to me it's beyond over the top. Society is the problem here, not the men who didn't do what the viewer wanted to see. There are different ways of showing class and it doesn't have to be seen by the public.

As for competing--people aren't tough enough today-that's just being honest. However I was informed that what I wrote hurt feelings, so I'll be happy to inform you that I'll be glad to invite you all over for Sandwiches and Milkshakes and we can all talk about how classy everyone should be. Heck, when Hoyas lose to Syracuse, I hope the fans don't get too mad, it's more important to show class--and we should all find a way to HUG Jim Boeheim and maybe invite him over for tea. But the treatment of Jack the Bulldog disturbs me a bit-he's being used as a prop and that's not good--he should be free and allowed to run on the court during a game or in the stands. I'd also like to see Hoyas change the fact that Male cheerleaders hold up female cheerleaders--that if offensive to our fans who may share a different sexual orientation--what about males holding males and females holding females up in pyramids? How about Ellen Degeneres being used as our new PA announcer for home games and we can't leave out anyone other group who is being looked down upon.

I just hope DePaul and Hoyas can have milshakes and sandwiches after tonight's game and that we do away with keeping score and just applaud the effort of the kids. Yippee for effort and who cares about winning? Not me!

STAY CLASSY GU FANS!!!

[vcjack]

RDF, you're right, sports would be so much better if we just pumped some hatred into the players. I had almost forgotten about the XFL, that glorious experiment where players and coaches were encouraged to be Editeds, and they could be fired if they didn't pout and rant when they lost. What quality football as well, and I would watch a game and think "isn't football better when we force our players to play with some forced hate" It would have given those Edited in the NFL a run if it hadn't been cancelled for some reason, probably a conspiracy from the network pc nazis. But don't worry, if we let them use roids, they would all be doing spasdic dances after a mediocre play. Now if you will escuse me I'll get back to you after posting bail for the fight I'll get into tonight at the game with a Depaul fan and his two daughters.

[RDF]

vcjack said:

RDF, you're right, sports would be so much better if we just pumped some hatred into the players. I had almost forgotten about the XFL, that glorious experiment where players and coaches were encouraged to be Editeds, and they could be fired if they didn't pout and rant when they lost. What quality football as well, and I would watch a game and think "isn't football better when we force our players to play with some forced hate" It would have given those Edited in the NFL a run if it hadn't been cancelled for some reason, probably a conspiracy from the network pc nazis. But don't worry, if we let them use roids, they would all be doing spasdic dances after a mediocre play. Now if you will escuse me I'll get back to you after posting bail for the fight I'll get into tonight at the game with a Depaul fan and his two daughters.

The NFL doesn't have a steriod problem because they ALL use them. If you think guys don't juice in the NFL, you are more naive then I initially thought.

As for your comments--that HURT my feelings and I just don't think that is called for. I would like to talk to you about stuff like this over some milkshakes and sandwiches and we can talk about why you wanted to hurt my feelings. As we know, nobody should be competitive or care about winning or disliking an opponent--so why be that way towards a fellow fan? That's not right and I just have to admit to not liking the fact that scores are kept during a game. What is that teaching kids? Winning is important? Let's face it, losing isn't bad and I honestly think that losing should be encouraged and we allow Craig Esherick to teach a class on it--as he perfected it and made an entire fanbase learn the joy of losing. It's fun--no expectations, no pressure, nothing. We can all have milshakes, I like strawberry and chocolate and wonder what you like Jack? Maybe we will see eye to eye--but then again, I understand if you don't like milkshakes due to the fact cows are exploited and put in danger.

Tonight's Hoya game, the NFL, and any other organized sport is not teaching the kids the values we need in society to succeed. We need to see people after the games--that is far more important. Does Tom Brady give a double fisted handshake or does he give a back slap? That is far more important then anything in world--and I wonder what milkshakes and sandwiches that he and Peyton Manning had after the game.

Hooray for effort and again--why keep score--that is so meaningless and only thing that matters is class.

KEEP IT CLASSY VCJACK!

[RusskyHoya]

The RDF School of Sportsmanship - on display...here

That should get the ol' hatred juices flowin', eh?

[RDF]

russkyhoya said:

The RDF School of Sportsmanship - on display...here

That should get the ol' hatred juices flowin', eh?

What does this have to do with players attitudes towards the opposing team? And that didn't show anything about shaking hands or having sandwiches and milkshakes after the game, so why would it matter? Competition and hurling moronic insults have nothing in common--but you also dont' have to go out of your way to be friendly during or immediately after a game so the viewing public "feels good". It's why we shouldn't keep score anymore and should all just shake hands, hug, and do away with competitive sports or what is that level that athletes get PAID to win as part of their day? Oh that's right it's called PROFESSIONAL SPORTS!--what a sad concept and wrong message to teach today's youth--when they can be having more milkshakes and sandwiches and hug/high five people after getting their butts kicked in a friendly game of hopscotch or Go Fish.

Also--Russky is jumping to a conclusion--that sign could've been referring to the lunch lady who didn't give out the right milkshakes and sandwiches to that fan who had to turn to alcoholic beverage. You know that Russky is concerned about how the youth perceive the end of a game handshake being that the league also uses ALCOHOLIC beverages to advertise and get those CLASSY FANS more into the unimportant outcome of a game that means nothing to the players who earn wages for a living playing that particular game. The entire concept is just wacky---players earning money playing a game--and someone thinking they should take their job seriously and not have to behave like a 2nd grade soccer player who is forced to share a juice box with guy who just lit his ass up for 4/5 goals in a game--but we don't keep score.

As we know--CLASS is most important to the fans/viewing public and should be on minds of men who just failed at performing the goal of the company they are employed by. It's not enough to shake hands with someone, you must have everyone SEE IT on TV to be able to tell your kids--who happen to be up at 10pm watching a meaningless football game that is what it's all about--or shame on Brady--he only shook Peyton Manning's hand and not where TV could catch it.

Hopefully Tom didn't get a milkshake or sandwich on flight home--in fact why fly home--why didn't New England stay in Indy, go spend the night over at Coach Dungy's and hear some great stories about how he beat them? Wouldn't that be neat? WOW--that is pure class.

KEEP IT CLASSY RUSSKY!

[tgo]

did anyone notice that there were no commercials for most of the 4th quarter in the pats v colts game? i was watching it that evening on tivo and kept grabbing the remote after a score, a time out and a change of posession and none of them caused a commercial break, not complaining but it was very odd.