SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 4, 2006 11:10:44 GMT -5
Austin, if Tressel had made Troy Smith the starter from Day 1, I don't think Texas or Penn State wins their games, and Ohio State is probably playing in Pasadena.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 4, 2006 12:15:29 GMT -5
Am I the only Penn State fan who didn't care about the Bowden-Paterno bowl? I wanted Penn State-WVU and I would still pay for that one with both team at 11-1. Give me a choice between a "media story" and some childhood nostalgia, I'll pick nostalgia.
It's not like FSU-Georgia wouldn't have rated either. Two border wars would always draw viewers.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 4, 2006 14:59:06 GMT -5
It's in the 70's here in SoCal, too, so the Horns should be feeling at home. While I think Austin is wrong, here's hoping his BCS picks remain on the money. USC's winning streak has gone on too long. 34 games too long.
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Post by Joe Hoya on Jan 5, 2006 0:17:09 GMT -5
That was an uggggglllly Orange Bowl. Jeez. 80 missed field goals, 50 total yards in the 3rd quarter (and by 50, I mean PSU and FSU combined). The highlight had to be the awkward high five that Mike Tirico and Kirk Herbstreet exchanged in the booth in the 3rd quarter when they were talking about Herbstreet's travel itenerary. That was comedic gold. I thought the highlight was when Kevin Kelly's FG in the third OT went through the uprights and I still thought he missed it for about thirty seconds. And seeing one of my friends holding up a banner in the front row was cool. As for Tirico and Herbstreit...yeah, that was pretty funny.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 5, 2006 0:24:15 GMT -5
Well, USC just got jobbed.
Vince is amazing, and he'd be my #1 pick, especially if I'm the Texans.
But one touchdown given to them because the officials missed that the player was down and an obvious fumble taken away because the Texas players whined?
The better team lost today.
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 5, 2006 0:24:51 GMT -5
what a game. Vince Young is a monster. wow. Somehow, that game lived up to its hype.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 5, 2006 0:27:07 GMT -5
what a game. Vince Young is a monster. wow. Somehow, that game lived up to its hype. Really? Sorry, the two botched calls that decided the game put it down. It needs to be decided on the field, not with calls.
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 5, 2006 0:36:02 GMT -5
On the Vince Young pitch, yeah, it was a missed call, but who says that UT doesn't score there? And that was in the First half.
And what "fumble" are you talking about? The only "fumble" that got "taken away" was an incompletion.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 5, 2006 0:39:37 GMT -5
On the Vince Young pitch, yeah, it was a missed call, but who says that UT doesn't score there? And that was in the First half. And what "fumble" are you talking about? The only "fumble" that got "taken away" was an incompletion. And who's to say USC wouldn't have forced them to a FG try, or caused yet another fumble? The team should get a chance on a such a CLEARLY botched call. Just awful when it leads to a score. Why no replay? Because they couldn't get a camera angle? That's funny -- ABC had plenty of them. That fumble looked like a fumble to the announcers and just about everyone I've talked to, most of whom were rooting for Texas (unfortunately). They ruled it a fumble, then after listening to Texas players, ruled it incomplete. Then they botched the replay. But hey, USC still should have stopped them. And they made so many mistakes, like that ridiculous Bush lateral. I just have a hard time calling it a great game when two clearly botched calls played a major role.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 5, 2006 0:50:03 GMT -5
I think Texas deserved it, if for no other reason because of USC's arrogance.
I was just cheering for a good game until they went for it on 4th down at the 18 in the first. Put the points on the board, Trojans. This isn't the Pac-10.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 5, 2006 0:53:20 GMT -5
I think Texas deserved it, if for no other reason because of USC's arrogance. I was just cheering for a good game until they went for it on 4th down at the 18 in the first. Put the points on the board, Trojans. This isn't the Pac-10. Agree with USC's arrogance. That and the Bush lateral...ugh. Aside from Vince Young though, Texas was pretty cocky. Never seen so much celebration by a defense that gave up 38. Every tackle they were up in people's faces.
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Post by RDF on Jan 5, 2006 2:19:48 GMT -5
Congrats to Austin Hoya.
Fun game to watch but irritated by this new trend of projecting players to Professional Level without taking some things into account--Reggie Bush isn't going to have that dominant OL when he's playing for an NFL team and you can't run to the outside/sidelines everytime or you'll get nothing. Vince Young is an outstanding player--but NOT an NFL caliber QB--it's not a negative either--he's an NFL caliber player but NOT at the QB position. You don't run the spread/read plays in NFL and if you do, prepare to go 0-16. Matt Leinart is good but not as good as Carson Palmer. Just because you win college games doesn't make you a lock to be a great pro. So let's just ENJOY THE PLAYERS in COLLEGE and leave the NFL talk for later--but not announcers, media, etc.. have to hype guys without focusing on the facts or looking closer to the true success of the teams they play on/level of play difference.
I think those who are criticizing Carroll for going for it--don't realize that is how he coaches. It's not arrogance, it's aggressiveness. He didn't win tonight but winning 34/35 games is not a reason to change, LOL.
Texas just had one of those years--everything went their way. Happens. I still think everyone on this site is a better coach then Mack Brown, but to the victors go the spoils.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 5, 2006 3:34:33 GMT -5
Congrats to Austin as well. Despite the fact that I don't think the better team won, Texas fans should still celebrate and ignore my rantings. (Well, Austin should. Frankly there isn't a college football fanbase that doesn't annoy the hell out of me, and that includes my fellow Penn State fans).
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 5, 2006 12:56:58 GMT -5
Texas won the BCS game and is the national champions. Two years ago LSU won the BCS game and was national champions - despite the press's insistence that USC was the champion.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 5, 2006 14:16:17 GMT -5
Well, USC just got jobbed. Vince is amazing, and he'd be my #1 pick, especially if I'm the Texans. But one touchdown given to them because the officials missed that the player was down and an obvious fumble taken away because the Texas players whined? The better team lost today. My heart bleeds for poor USC. It would take 100 more calls like the TD that shouldn't have been to make up for all the blown calls that have gone in USC's favor over the years. Just ask UCLA, Notre Dame and Ohio State, among others, about that. USC always gets the benefit of game changing bad calls. This one might or might not have been game changing. Blame Reggie Bush's attempted lateral, not the refs. And by the way, Easy Ed, while it should be clear that I am not now, never have been and likely never will be a USC fan, the national championship two years ago was shared. Ignoring that fact is bogus. One can legitimately argue over whether USC or LSU was better, but it's still a shared championship.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 5, 2006 14:37:38 GMT -5
I didn't think either of those calls affected the game.
The guy was down, so what? It's now 1st down at the 11 yard line. Hard for me to believe that somehow a USC team that gave up 41 points stops Texas from going 11 yards. If he were down at the 50, OK that's different but at the 11 is almost a guaranteed score the way USC's D played.
The second one was incomplete. I thought so the first time and I thought so after the replay. At worst, it could have gone either way but it wasn't a bad call, just maybe a close one.
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Post by RDF on Jan 5, 2006 16:21:49 GMT -5
They were both terrible calls BUT they don't decide outcomes--it's a 60 minute game and you have plenty of opportunties to win in that time frame. Specifically those calls were terrible because
1. you have to review the Young play--not because it's game changer but it's a play that replay was installed to look at--what's point of having it if you don't review it? imagine if they didn't review Texas Int and USC went in to score? That's a terrible job by Officials and this system needs to be tweaked. It was worth reviewing for possible forward lateral as much as the knee being down--and you want calls to be correct.
2. That was a catch and fumble--if you want to see the most accurate of way of telling, watch Charles reaction--the players tell you best--he goes for ball knowing he lost is and when it's a player who fumbles about once every 3 times he has the ball in games I watch, ;D it's painfully obvious it was a fumble
If you are a USC fan or thought they should've won, I point out the two plays I thought were killers
1. Bush's lateral play to a guy I've never seen play for them--#48
2. Ting Twin not picking off a terrible pass from Young that seals the game.
I don't think LenDale White's failure to get a first down was game--it should've been over long before that.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 5, 2006 16:38:44 GMT -5
Hoyarooter - how was the national championship shared two years ago when LSU won the BCS game? The polls declared USC champion but the game declared LSU champion. By your logic if the polls were to declare USC champion this year, then the national championship should be shared this year despite Texas winning the title on the field. You might not have liked the BCS formula two years ago but you can't change the rules after the fact.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jan 5, 2006 16:53:25 GMT -5
The Texas Longhorns are the 2006 National Champions. That, my friends, is a fact. Statements like "the better team lost" and "USC got jobbed" are opinions that won't affect my elation. But I will offer my own opinion here, for argument's sake.
The Champs: Alright, Texas was lucky to win this one. Had they lost, I would have blamed it on the complete sloppiness. There is almost never an excuse for fumbling the football in a National Championship game. Especially when you're playing USC, a team you cannot give second chances to on offense. Holding onto the football should have been stressed in the month leading up to this game. If West Virgina can control the football, Texas should be able to as well. The missed PAT bugged me the entire game as well. Were they rushing to get the snap off before the whistle could be blown to review the TD? Thought Texas' defensive gameplan did a decent job of containing Reggie Bush, but opened things up for Lendale White. On the offensive side of the ball, pretty conservative play-calling from Greg Davis was actually a pretty good gameplan, who recognized Vince would probably get picked if he threw it up for his receivers as he did in Big XII play all season. I would have run the ball a bit more, personally, even with all that butter on Jamal Charles's hands, but I'm not in a position to complain.
The Former Champs: Best O-Line in college football. Wow. Without that front five, this would have been a completely different ballgame. Good games from Heisman winners Leinart and Bush. Good job by the defensive players. A little curious why Pete Carroll's defensive scheme left the underneath pass seemingly undefended, allowing David Thomas to catch 10 passes for 88 yards. Still can't believe Matt Leinart's "we're a better team," statement directly following the game. Whatever helps you sleep at night, Matty. I slept great last night knowing you had lost the football game. But seriously, you're going down as one of the greatest college QB's in history, you're about to be a millionaire, and you're about to go fall asleep between two coeds from Santa Barbara. Let someone else have a freakin' moment.
What it came down to: Just like in the Ohio State game, Texas made up for its mistakes with great plays. Griffin's INT in the end zone, Vince Young's fourth quarter runs, stopping USC on 4th and 1 are what won this game for Texas. Anyone who says the blown calls were more important than those plays is probably chewing on sour grapes. I'll compare this to the Miami-Ohio State championship (another game where "the better team lost"). Miami got screwed on a call at the end of regulation, but couldn't put the ball in the end zone on a 1st and goal at the three (or was it the two?) yard line in overtime. You can't control the bad calls, and they're going to happen even with instant replay. You can control what your team does on the football field following those calls. Last night, after the questionable calls had played themselves out, USC let Texas come back from a 12 point deficit with 6 minutes to go and lost the football game. The calls did not ultimately screw USC, Vince Young did. Saying the calls were the most important part of the game is like saying the ball bouncing directly back into the OG's hands on VY's fumble that same drive was the most important part of the game. You can't control the bounce, just like you can't control the calls. Also, re: the calls, I still don't know whether Charles fumbled or not because I still don't know what the rule is for possession in that situation in CFB. In the pros when you catch a ball standing up, you have to make a "football move" before you have posession I think. ABC never clarified what the rule is. Thanks a lot, Keith and Dan.
Austin: Went down to 6th street last night to check out the melee. Gave a lot of people I do not know high-fives, and I can't get the sound of car horns out of my head. I didn't stay out all night because my girlfriend had to be at work at 8 this morning, but from what I could tell nobody was burning furniture or turning over cars. They didn't put the "1" on the UT Tower last night, and I'm sort of surprised there wasn't a riot over that, but the admin wanted to wait until the team returned.
Agree with RDF's statement about the constant "well this kid is going to be great on Sundays" statements. How can any of these three players live up to expectations in the NFL after all this? I also don't like the implication it carries: that success in the NFL is the true measure of a football player. The NFL was built off of college football, not the other way around. Over time, the style of play in both leagues has diverged, as have the traditions and the fan atmospheres. They are different games. For my money, college football, especially if you can attend the game, is 100 times better. Hopefully this game, with the highest ratings for a CFB game in 19 years, will remind some people of the greatness of the college game.
Also, for the record, Mack Brown consistently annoys the hell out of me whenever he speaks on national television. Someone needs to tell Mack that being a Texan is largely about being an individual, and that phonies making prepared statements embarrass us.
On a related note, I will say that this championship belongs to the players, particularly Vince Young. This coaching staff did not win this championship. Big plays on the field by athletic players won this championship, and overcame the sloppiness that must be attributed to the coaching staff. This coaching staff did not design Vince's runs or Griffin's interception. Is simply letting the players create/play "a great coaching job?" I don't think so. I'll probably think about these things next season, but for the next seven months or so I will be talking smack and generally being annoying as possible to fans of other teams.
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EDIT: I'd rather sip tea than eat maroon carrots. And a decent number of Aggies were rooting for the Longhorns last night: I had one at my house, in fact. Didn't you see the t-shirts they're selling in B-CS? The shirt shows the Saw 'em Off logo with the horns band-aided back on, with the caption "One Game Only: Gig 'em Horns!"
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Post by RDF on Jan 5, 2006 17:17:24 GMT -5
Only comment I disagree with was the Ohio State/Miami reference- the most blatant non-call was watching Michael Jenkins shove Glenn Sharpe to get open and convert a 4th and 15 to set up tying TD play which was also a bad call--and more frustrating in how late the flag came. I don't think Miami deserved to win the game because they played like crap against a lesser team, but those were factors along with losing the team's best offensive player in the 3rd quarter to a horrific injury--imagine losing Vince Young or Reggie Bush to an injury like that? Texas would'e been destroyed, USC still wins in all likelihood with Leinart and White and Jarrett.
Also, the friggin Big XII screwed Miami with their God Awful officials in that game and will never like that conference for that alone. Just hope that Canes get a shot to avenge that at some point--which with Clappy is years into the future.
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