intresting to say the least article in post blog

[VictorSkyPage]

embarassing? I don't really think so... seems like good sloppy fun to me..


saw a couple of the costume clowns at the game looking quite smashed - had some laughs...

most importantly:

paranoya said:

we have the fantastic luxury of having beer at the game so we dont have to come wasted and hope our buzz doesnt wear off.

[RusskyHoya]

doublehoya said:

If the school gets wind of this and tries to prevent beer sales at games as a result, pee-pee face is going to get a visit from some very angry hawaiian-shirted guys . . . .

Don't worry, Verizon would never let that happen.

[TBird41]

mrsixer123 said:

heartofahoya said:

I don't think it's a sense of entitlement. I think the kid might have been referencing the vandalism on campus when talking about pitt "doing dirty"... If our retaliation for them vandalizing our campus is some enthused students wearing costumes to a basketball game, we're in good shape not to replicated dook.

huh?

how do u connect the two? the article says in part:

".........For example, Andrew Leighton, who was in the mayhem behind the East backboard, wearing no shirt and a Pikachu mask. I asked him why. Something (excitement, perhaps?) prevented us from having a coherent exchange of information, but luckily his friend, Colin Behr, stepped in.

"Cuz he's dirty man, he's dirty," Colin explained. "You do dirty, you get dirty done to you. We're Georgetown, we don't mess around."

i do not see the connection as vandalism on campus was never mentioned

Because the link to the Duke "rape" case is any less tenuous?

[Cambridge]

mrsixer123 said:

fotp said:

Fury!

This kid probably drank too much hard stuff in the AM...not good.

maybe. or a upperclassmen or grad student could have purchased him liquor at the game.

either way, this article supports those who say alcohol should not be served at college events, on campus or otherwise.

the University has no choice but to seriously look at ending the sale of alcohol. God forbid this ever happens, but can u imagine a drinking and driving accident occurs, and the party at fault is a underaged student coming from a game where alcohol is served?

especially with this article/blog being on record?

Uggg. College is as college does. We used to sneak an entire case of Schaeffers into the games. I don't think this has anything to do with the Verizon Center selling beer.

[RusskyHoya]

mrsixer123 said:

fotp said:

Fury!

This kid probably drank too much hard stuff in the AM...not good.

maybe. or a upperclassmen or grad student could have purchased him liquor at the game.

either way, this article supports those who say alcohol should not be served at college events, on campus or otherwise.

the University has no choice but to seriously look at ending the sale of alcohol. God forbid this ever happens, but can u imagine a drinking and driving accident occurs, and the party at fault is a underaged student coming from a game where alcohol is served?

especially with this article/blog being on record?

That's ludicrous. Everyone knows students are going to drink. Whether they do it at Verizon or before they get there isn't going to change anything. At least at Verizon, the people are supposed to not sell to them if they appear intoxicated. That, and the prices are so high that you'll end up shelling out at least $20 if you want to get drunk.

As to your other point...students don't drive to games. No reason to. I personally don't know a single student who drives there. I'm pretty sure this will never be an issue. No offense, but how do you not know this?

Also, I'm not sure where the leap takes place between "drunk college student says he's gonna do whatever he wants to do" and "white lacrosse players place an order for a black stripper (they don't send black strippers unless you ask them) with the intent of demeaning her." The former, especially when manifested by wearing a pikachu mask, is pretty harmless. The latter, not so much.

[mrsixer123]

tbird41 said:

mrsixer123 said:

huh?

how do u connect the two? the article says in part:

".........For example, Andrew Leighton, who was in the mayhem behind the East backboard, wearing no shirt and a Pikachu mask. I asked him why. Something (excitement, perhaps?) prevented us from having a coherent exchange of information, but luckily his friend, Colin Behr, stepped in.

"Cuz he's dirty man, he's dirty," Colin explained. "You do dirty, you get dirty done to you. We're Georgetown, we don't mess around."

i do not see the connection as vandalism on campus was never mentioned

Because the link to the Duke "rape" case is any less tenuous?

that case was about way more than the horrendous lie that excuse of a human being made about those students. however, as big john said on his radio "it did pull off a scab that we still have a problem in this country with people who have a sense of entitlement and think they can say and do whatever they want to people who arent as fortunate as they are."

did the kid actually mean what he said? who knows? he was most likely drunk. all i am saying is no one wants quotes like this in a public forum that could be used to substantiate stereotypes about students who attend universities such and duke and gtown

[mrsixer123]

russkyhoya said:

mrsixer123 said:

maybe. or a upperclassmen or grad student could have purchased him liquor at the game.

either way, this article supports those who say alcohol should not be served at college events, on campus or otherwise.

the University has no choice but to seriously look at ending the sale of alcohol. God forbid this ever happens, but can u imagine a drinking and driving accident occurs, and the party at fault is a underaged student coming from a game where alcohol is served?

especially with this article/blog being on record?

That's ludicrous. Everyone knows students are going to drink. Whether they do it at Verizon or before they get there isn't going to change anything. At least at Verizon, the people are supposed to not sell to them if they appear intoxicated. That, and the prices are so high that you'll end up shelling out at least $20 if you want to get drunk.

As to your other point...students don't drive to games. No reason to. I personally don't know a single student who drives there. I'm pretty sure this will never be an issue. No offense, but how do you not know this?

Also, I'm not sure where the leap takes place between "drunk college student says he's gonna do whatever he wants to do" and "white lacrosse players place an order for a black stripper (they don't send black strippers unless you ask them) with the intent of demeaning her." The former, especially when manifested by wearing a pikachu mask, is pretty harmless. The latter, not so much.

i am looking at this from a macro, not micro perspective. the university will as well, or at least they should. sure, most students catch the bus to the games, but the school could be liable to some degree if a student,, for whatever reason, decides to drive to the game.

hell, the student may not even have a drink at the game, but if a fatal accident occurs, how can it be proven that the alcohol wasnt consumed at the game. u may think i am way off base, but ask yourself this, "why does the ncaa REFUSE to sell any alcohol at any march madness games?"

in the end, even if the school is found to be free of liability, the negative press will still be there, and u can bet someone will use this article/blog as proof that the school should have done something to prevent the incident. if the same event happens at md or any other college that doesnt serve alcohol, they cant be held liable b/c obviously they didnt have alchol readily available to underaged college students

[Coast2CoastHoya]

russkyhoya said:

doublehoya said:

If the school gets wind of this and tries to prevent beer sales at games as a result, pee-pee face is going to get a visit from some very angry hawaiian-shirted guys . . . .

Don't worry, Verizon would never let that happen.

Agreed - they make too much money off beer sales to stop serving. Not that ending alcohol sales at games would address the issue -- my bet is that pre-gaming did the kid in, not $7 Miller Lite. It's just too hard to have that many at a game.
Hopefully if the university compels the Booth to take any kind of action, they do it in a creative, measured way that doesn't punish those who act responsibly (like our Hawaiian shirted brethren!).

I hope that passed-out-kid learned his lesson -- sometimes public humiliation is a much more effective tool than other consequences.

As for the animal suits: Let 'em cheer how they wanna cheer. More than one of us has donned some goofy looking gear in our day. If you can't do it in college, when can you?

[krey23]

And how would Georgetown be responsible for a student drinking beer at the Verizon center since it's not Georgetown doing the selling?

[hoyaLS05]

First off, I think ALL parallels between this and the Duke case have got to end. There is just nothing there and its unfair to continue along those lines.

Second, I agree that its in the university's best interests to keep serving alcohol at games. It costs us a LOT of money to have each game there, and if we were to tell Verizon to stop selling beer, it would probably cost us a LOT more.

As for the rest of the article, I think its funny, not embarassing. Anyone who thinks this is a poor representation of Georgetown needs to relax a little. Its college.

[Jack]

Susan O'Malley, Pres. of WSE (Wizards + Verizon) and law school classmate of Jack's, has told me that she will marry the first drunk man she meets at Verizon, because the beers there are so expensive that he must be fabulously wealthy. I guess she did not take into account a little pregame MD 20/20.

[ExcitableBoy]

mrsixer123 said:

heartofahoya said:

I don't think it's a sense of entitlement. I think the kid might have been referencing the vandalism on campus when talking about pitt "doing dirty"... If our retaliation for them vandalizing our campus is some enthused students wearing costumes to a basketball game, we're in good shape not to replicated dook.

huh?

how do u connect the two? the article says in part:

".........For example, Andrew Leighton, who was in the mayhem behind the East backboard, wearing no shirt and a Pikachu mask. I asked him why. Something (excitement, perhaps?) prevented us from having a coherent exchange of information, but luckily his friend, Colin Behr, stepped in.

"Cuz he's dirty man, he's dirty," Colin explained. "You do dirty, you get dirty done to you. We're Georgetown, we don't mess around."

i do not see the connection as vandalism on campus was never mentioned

Reading between the lines here, I'm guessing that the phrase "do dirty" could refer to doing something dirty or mean. Vandalizing the opponent school's property would qualify in my book as doing something dirty or mean.

[mrsixer123]

krey23 said:

And how would Georgetown be responsible for a student drinking beer at the Verizon center since it's not Georgetown doing the selling?

in the end, the school may not be found liable, but i bet there is a lawyer out there who could make a damn good case as to why the unversity didnt follow the lead of the NCAA and not allow alcohol to be served at any of its events whether they are in a pro arena or not

all i am saying is it is something the school should consider. if a nightclub that allows underaged kids to enter but not drink can be sued b/c a underaged kid causes a fatal accident while drunk, so can a university.

[Cambridge]

They sell beer at the Louisville games at Freedom Hall. The only way to get to Freedom Hall is by car. I dare you to ask them to stop.

[mrsixer123]

krey23 said:

And how would Georgetown be responsible for a student drinking beer at the Verizon center since it's not Georgetown doing the selling?

b/c it is their team being featured at the event. all a lawyer has to do is make the argument that if verizon refused to stop selling alcohol, we should have ended the relationship with them in the best interest of their students and the community.

can we then say "well, if we did that we would lose tons of money!"

look, do i want them to stop, hell no! again, i am just throwing out a scenerio that could back fire on us in the future with this blog being public record

[Jack]

Well now that we have our finest legal minds working on this liability issue, I have but one thought:

The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our visiting opponents - we did.
But you can't hold a whole student section responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole student section system? And if the whole student section system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Mr. Sixer - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

[mrsixer123]

cambridgehoya said:

They sell beer at the Louisville games at Freedom Hall. The only way to get to Freedom Hall is by car. I dare you to ask them to stop.

they dont have to stop, but i bet a lawsuit would be picked up by a top lawyer if a student coming from one of their games kills someone while driving drunk

[Cambridge]

mrsixer123 said:

they dont have stop, but i bet a lawsuit would be picked up by a top lawyer if a student coming from one of their games kills someone while driving drink

How about typing "drink" [sic]?

[mrsixer123]

jack said:

Well now that we have our finest legal minds working on this liability issue, I have but one thought:

The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our visiting opponents - we did.
But you can't hold a whole student section responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole student section system? And if the whole student section system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Mr. Sixer - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

is it "an indictment of our entire American society" that a quote coming from a student at a school that is "PERCEIVED" to be attended mainly by students with with wealthy white parents after recent events is quoted as saying "we can do whatever we want," it most certainly is.

especially after one of the most important employees, who happens to be black, at one of those institutions is on record as saying there remains a problem with people still having a sense of entitlement attitude in this country

[Cambridge]

Apparently you have never seen the seminal film on the American college experience...Animal House.