lichoya68
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OK YOUNGINS ARE HERE AND ARE VERY VERY GOOD cant wait GO HOYAS
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 21, 2004 19:31:30 GMT -5
ps hoyanick is right wever got more talent than people think and letum think that especially in the bigeast we will suprise some this is not fantasy go hoyaa
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 21, 2004 21:29:29 GMT -5
Just like to say that I was the one that said we only scored 4 points in the point, it was on the front page: "A key stat? Georgetown managed only four points in the paint." Perhaps DFW was wrong. I got that stat from Rich Chvotkin's post game report. I wasn't that disappointed in the game. ORU is underrated and helped bring to light the Hoyas' need to pull back from the three point arc and play tougher interior defense. That comes with a price--potential foul trouble--that a bench-thin team may not want to do just yet, but don't think that other BE teams won't notice it. It was encouraging that the leading scorers are coming from the underclassmen ranks. I'd still like to see more from Tyler and from Sead. I think both could fit into the offense if given some more time.
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nychoya3
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Post by nychoya3 on Dec 21, 2004 22:02:23 GMT -5
Who knows with Sead at this point? In theory, a big man who can shoot and pass should be ideal for our offense. But two coaches haven't seen fit to give Sead even garbage time against the absolute dregs of our schedule. There has to be a reason for that. Unless Sead gets better, he's looking at a Omari Faulkner type career. I like them both, but they aren't showing us anything so far.
Tyler is physically impressive, and was a very good rebounder in high school. Some toughness inside was sorely need last night.
ORU will, if I had to guess, not be the worst loss of the season. Sad but true. Nothing to do but focus on the positives.
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JimmyHoya
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Post by JimmyHoya on Dec 21, 2004 22:09:38 GMT -5
Forget Sead, is Guibunda ever going to play?
THE PEOPLE WANT GUIBUNDA!!!!!!!
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CAHoya07
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Post by CAHoya07 on Dec 21, 2004 22:51:14 GMT -5
People keep talking about this being a rebuilding year. To me, rebuilding sounds like giving up on the year. This should be a "stepping stone" year, where we see constant improvement over the course of the year, and set the foundation for a possible run at the NCAAs next year.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 21, 2004 23:33:27 GMT -5
good comment ca hoya
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Dec 21, 2004 23:52:17 GMT -5
I was just going to say the same CA. Since many considering this a rebuilding year (which it essentially is with new coach, new system, new players), does not mean we have to write it off. We just root as hard as possible and take the wins where they come.
Last night's game was a bit disappointing, but we seemed off (I made a comment about Temple deja vu during the chatroom session). We made a run in the 2nd half, but for us to win we have to have at least BB or JG score at least one point in the 2nd half. Is it my understanding that both were shut out in the 2nd half? The fact that JG missed his last four FTs convinces me that by that time he was pretty tired.
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Dec 22, 2004 7:18:52 GMT -5
Posted by: SFHoya99 Posted on: 12/21/2004 at 13:14:36 UNC lost to Santa Clara. That's a lot worse loss. Now, we're not UNC, but we were a 1 to 3 point favorite. Just because you think Oral Roberts is podunk doesn't mean they are. And even if they are, any team can beat any team.
Is it encouraging? No. But man, it's like you folk are girding up to fire the coach.
sf, do you actually watch games? unc lost to santa clara without ray felton, who may be their best player. santa clara also beat stanford, which is much better than the teams your beloved oral roberts has beaten. we not only got blow out by a mid continent conference team but we got beat up physically as well. to me, it is an embarrassment. a loss like this is not part of a learning curve, it is a step backwards. it is comical that any negativity towards the program brings a slew of nonsensical posts from those blind with loyalty.
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JimmyHoya
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Post by JimmyHoya on Dec 22, 2004 7:58:03 GMT -5
Stanford blows the big one though. They've got nobody left but Kris Hernandez. It's not very suprising they'd lose to Santa Clara.
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Post by kchoya on Dec 22, 2004 10:46:49 GMT -5
Posted by: SFHoya99 Posted on: 12/21/2004 at 13:14:36 Is it encouraging? No. But man, it's like you folk are girding up to fire the coach. sf, do you actually watch games? unc lost to santa clara without ray felton, who may be their best player. santa clara also beat stanford, which is much better than the teams your beloved oral roberts has beaten. we not only got blow out by a mid continent conference team but we got beat up physically as well. to me, it is an embarrassment. a loss like this is not part of a learning curve, it is a step backwards. it is comical that any negativity towards the program brings a slew of nonsensical posts from those blind with loyalty. It's not negativity that people are annoyed with, it's "blind negativity" (to turn a phrase) that turns a lot of people off. Did we lose to Oral Roberts? Yes. Did we lose badly? Yes. Is Oral Roberts a good team? Yes. Is Oral Roberts on the level of Gonzaga, Marquette, Texas or any other really good team? No. To ignore all the positive changes and growth that have taken place in the program (not just team) in the past 7-8 months has to be intentional. This game was an embarassment only if you aren't realistically looking at the state of program -- down but on the way up. You're acting like a learning curve is a straight line upwards, it's not. It's going to be a bumpy ride, full of ups and downs. But as long as the overall trend is in the right direction, that's what counts. Now, if we're saying the same thing in 2-3 years, that's one thing. But we're only SEVEN GAMES into a new regime. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither were any of programs in the top 25.
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YB
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Post by YB on Dec 22, 2004 11:08:25 GMT -5
Here here, KC.
I think we are all disappointed in the loss, and I believe we will get better. I know we'd all like to see some of the other guys we have buried on the bench.
But they are all learning. No reason to be satisfied with the ORU loss but no reason to jump ship, beating our chests and wailing "the sky is falling, the sky is falling".
This may be a broken road, but the broken road leads to good things, I believe.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 22, 2004 15:29:03 GMT -5
Posted by: SFHoya99 Posted on: 12/21/2004 at 13:14:36 UNC lost to Santa Clara. That's a lot worse loss. Now, we're not UNC, but we were a 1 to 3 point favorite. Just because you think Oral Roberts is podunk doesn't mean they are. And even if they are, any team can beat any team. Is it encouraging? No. But man, it's like you folk are girding up to fire the coach. sf, do you actually watch games? unc lost to santa clara without ray felton, who may be their best player. santa clara also beat stanford, which is much better than the teams your beloved oral roberts has beaten. we not only got blow out by a mid continent conference team but we got beat up physically as well. to me, it is an embarrassment. a loss like this is not part of a learning curve, it is a step backwards. it is comical that any negativity towards the program brings a slew of nonsensical posts from those blind with loyalty. Stanford is awful this year. And you mean to tell me that UNC couldn't beat SC without their other six All-Americans? Upsets happen. To all teams. Your wild, half-coherent rants aren't doing anything. What do you want anyone to do? Practice more? They seem to be practicing, from all accounts, pretty hard. Fire Thompson? You whine but you bring nothing to the table.
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Dec 23, 2004 7:24:28 GMT -5
upsets happen? you just don't get it do you. we're not better than oral roberts, that's the problem. to compare our loss to unc losing to santa clara is idiotic at best. you offer nothing but negativity towards other posters that don't share your opinions on the state of the program. if you got your head [lay off the profane imagery please] for a bit maybe you'd see that we've taken a few steps back the last week. [EDITED - please do not attack other posters]
as for the blind negativity comment, i don't get it. how is it blind negativity to say the coaches are to blame for the team coming out flat in 2 straight games? i don't see anyone saying it's blind negativity when everyone hammers brandon for having bad games. you boys need to stop crying every time someone says something negative about the coaching staff.
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Post by kchoya on Dec 23, 2004 11:47:42 GMT -5
as for the blind negativity comment, i don't get it. how is it blind negativity to say the coaches are to blame for the team coming out flat in 2 straight games? i don't see anyone saying it's blind negativity when everyone hammers brandon for having bad games. you boys need to stop crying every time someone says something negative about the coaching staff. It's not "blind negativity" to criticize the coaching staff or a player. It's "blind negativity" to say that this loss is an embarassment and ridiculous without recognizing the improvements that the team is making. How can you say, as you did in an earlier post, that we're going to have our ups and downs and then fly off the handle after a loss like this? The "downs" are more than just losing to the #1 team in the country. It's a downer to get beat by ORU 18 or to beat Long Beach by a couple. It's also an upper to play the #1 team close or to display the best outside shooting we've seen from this team in a while.
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Dec 23, 2004 13:38:21 GMT -5
kc, i hear what you are saying. my embarrassment comment was more from the fact that we were pushed around more than anything else. i recognize that ups and downs are part of the learning process. imo, we had taken a few steps forwards, but the last couple of games have been a few back.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 23, 2004 15:16:38 GMT -5
upsets happen? you just don't get it do you. we're not better than oral roberts, that's the problem. to compare our loss to unc losing to santa clara is idiotic at best. you offer nothing but negativity towards other posters that don't share your opinions on the state of the program. if you got your head [EDITED] for a bit maybe you'd see that we've taken a few steps back the last week. [EDITED] as for the blind negativity comment, i don't get it. how is it blind negativity to say the coaches are to blame for the team coming out flat in 2 straight games? i don't see anyone saying it's blind negativity when everyone hammers brandon for having bad games. you boys need to stop crying every time someone says something negative about the coaching staff. Maybe upset was a bad choice of words. Perhaps 'bad game' is better. I'm not sure we are better than Oral Roberts. Again, I ask, what do you suggest is done? I'm missing the proactive part of your statement. Even in the dark days of Esherick, firing the man was a solution, not just whining and bitching. The team is young and learning a new system. Games like Oral Roberts are to be expected. There's going to be more of them. You treat our players and coaches as if they are here solely for our entertainment. I can't imagine you'd have the cojones to walk up to Brandon or Ray Reed or III and criticize him to his face, especially since you didn't even have the guts to post publicly your little IM to me: "sorry for making you cry. i bet you can tell me what coach thompson had for breakfast." Wow, you're an original one. Way to go. Got me there. I'm zinged. Everybody overreacts. Everybody says things on the net they'd never say to someone's face. Only you seem to do it for days and days and days afterword. You're just coming across as a grade A jerk. I'm not sure if you are -- since I've never met you -- but you are coming across like one.
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SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Dec 23, 2004 15:49:59 GMT -5
1) at this point in the season, Oral Roberts is clearly better than us, so why should we get suicidal about losing to a better team? JT3 was hired to make the team better, and he's just barely into the process of doing that.
2) we did not come out flat against Long Beach State. We shot poorly, had a bunch of miscommunications, and still had trouble keeping teams off the boards, but the team also dove all over the place for loose balls, hit clutch shots when needed, played excellent, in-their-shirts defense which caused plenty of turnovers, and kept their composure down the stretch.
Maybe this truly was a case of "blind" negativity, since the poster couldn't see what was happening on the floor and had to rely on radio or yahoo updates.
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Post by MEGAFAN on Dec 23, 2004 16:00:12 GMT -5
Just getting excited about tonight's game and wanted to take this chance to thank you and Sir Saxa for such wonderful commentary and insight.
It makes a huge difference hearing game reports from people who were actually there (even when games are on TV, but especially when they're not).
Keep up the great work and try to make yourself heard when we take on Clemson in a few hours!
GO HOYAS!!! BEAT CLEMSON!
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hoopsmccan
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Post by hoopsmccan on Dec 23, 2004 16:31:58 GMT -5
Again, I ask, what do you suggest is done? I'm missing the proactive part of your statement. Just out of curiosity, what exactly should be done to be a "proactive" Hoyas fan? The only things I can think of are to (a) donate money, (b) get fans involved, like 2007's t-shirt idea, or (c) hold a rally to fire the coach like YB did. I've already done (a) and (c) has already been taken care of and hopefully won't have to be used again. As for (b), I'm just not that creative.
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hoyanick
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Post by hoyanick on Dec 23, 2004 16:44:22 GMT -5
Don't want to fan the flames, but where is the ADMIN when HoyaFanNY accuses another board member of having one his appendages in the *** of JTIII? I mean, some other posters have made farcical yet good natured comments about the human anatomy, and their comments are immediately edited.
In any case, HoyaFanNy has lost any and all credibility.
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