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Post by beenaround on Nov 18, 2015 23:02:17 GMT -5
Rooting for all of these guys to make the league, of course. But especially want Hank to get another chance. Admit I wear Hoya colored glasses, but Hank absolutely EARNED his NBA stripes last year and it is mystifying why he is not in the NBA now.
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Post by beenaround on Nov 18, 2015 15:28:57 GMT -5
Watching how Trimble affected the game last night, brought me back to the frequent war or words on Hoyatalk about whether we need a "truePG who can break down" a defense, or just "basketball players" who run the sets. By no means do I think Trimble is much of a pro prospect, but in college, he can get to the rim, get fouled at will, or draw other defenders and dish. Any way you slice it, having someone who can create something from nothing, is a nice weapon to have on a basketball team. The key word there is "need." I would love a Romelo Trimble on our team, or whatever slashing PG is your preference. But I think it's this idea that a team can't be successful if you don't have it ... that's what people argue. The best PG in the NBA is a guy who creates his drive from his shot, for example. The thing most common to highly successful college basketball teams is quality size more than anything. People love to talk about the guards, but the best players on Wisconsin were Kaminsky and Dekker; Kentucky's weakness was the Harrison twins; Duke was driven by Winslow and Okafor, etc. They all have good guards because everyone on their teams are good. But they differentiate down low. There's a lot of ways to win. SF..I was almost afraid to type that post...as I figured it would continue the never ending war over JT3 offense, etc etc. I really was just musing about this game, and how although Trimble shot a paltry 4-11, yet his relentless driving style was so key to the win. My larger point was that it is great to have a "creator" on the court, who I guess could be a 1,2 or even 3, who is not reliant on "the offense" to always make something good happen. I do NOT agree with the posters here who say that LJ is adequately filling that role for us. His drives to the basket are far from a sure thing at this point in his career. He is not in control, does not finish particularly well, or create for others, the way Trimble does, for example. Hopefully he gets there. Just my two cents.
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Post by beenaround on Nov 18, 2015 11:05:57 GMT -5
Bradley is trending towards becoming one of my all time favorite Hoyas. His transformation is miraculous, and such a contrast to Josh, who had enormous god given talent yet seemed to make the least of his talents. Thrilled to see someone make the most of theirs.
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Post by beenaround on Nov 18, 2015 10:54:52 GMT -5
Watching how Trimble affected the game last night, brought me back to the frequent war or words on Hoyatalk about whether we need a "truePG who can break down" a defense, or just "basketball players" who run the sets. By no means do I think Trimble is much of a pro prospect, but in college, he can get to the rim, get fouled at will, or draw other defenders and dish. Any way you slice it, having someone who can create something from nothing, is a nice weapon to have on a basketball team.
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Post by beenaround on Nov 18, 2015 0:28:46 GMT -5
If the Hoyas play with this much energy and enthusiasm during the Big East season, we will finish in the top 2, for sure. Trimble shot more free throws than the Hoyas, and a missed call on a DSR drive in the final minutes kept us from winning. Plenty of poor positioning on defense and waiting too late in the clock to initiate offense down the stretch were my main criticisms, but overall I was quite pleased. Derrickson reminds me of Pinkston from Nova, and surely, after playing so well in the NCAA and now, it is clear that Hayes is a legit force offensively at center. Finally, I felt Ike really brought it today. If he can do it CONSISTENTLY, we might have to worry about him being a lotto pick, after all.
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Post by beenaround on Nov 17, 2015 23:49:57 GMT -5
At the end of the day, I appreciate the effort, in clear contrast with the opener, but we were up 7 with time winding down and blew it. This sucks. We were up 7 but you had to know they were gonna make a run. Two home team calls in the illegal screen and the no call on DSR really turned the tide. You are totally right. Those calls turned the game.
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Post by beenaround on Nov 17, 2015 13:15:34 GMT -5
For those DVRing, be aware that there is college football preceding our game on ESPN2. The football is scheduled for 6-9, and since football games very frequently exceed 3 hours, there's a chance our start could get pushed off to ESPNU or ESPN News. As with our first round NCAA games, I will DVR the game until it is over and I learn the outcome. Pathetic, gutless...feel free to pile on with a more appropriate word. I am old and weak and cannot watch , or take the chance of watching 18k Twerp fans howling as they step all over us. If we win..I'll be up late watching!!!
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Post by beenaround on Nov 15, 2015 18:55:02 GMT -5
The Twerps are , regrettably deep with talent. And they have it throughout the lineup..guard, forward and maybe center..depending upon how long it takes Diamond Stone to live up to the hype. We can only beat them if we play our absolute A game. Trimble , Suilemon and the transfer power forward from Ga Tech can play. Layman is no superstar, but he is 6 9 and can shoot the three. They have a couple guards on the bench who can score and then there is Stone..who is probably the wild card. DSR has to get 20 and Copeland has to really ball out, like the lottery pick everyone says he is. Kills me to think that they are so loaded and possibly the place local talent wants to go again, after we stomped them out the past several years.
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Post by beenaround on Nov 14, 2015 16:36:25 GMT -5
I am definitely NOT looking forward to the Md game next week. I had actually deluded myself into thinking we could beat em.
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Post by beenaround on Nov 11, 2015 17:52:51 GMT -5
Maybe you guys know a lot more about these recruits than I do. But when one makes a statement about how important "academics" are to them, everyone starts expecting him to go to Georgetown, since it is better at producing lawyers and hedge fund managers than State U and has a higher rating in US News and World Report. The fact is, these highly rated, Top 50 guys, all expect to be playing professionally. I'm guessing that in many cases, even the crappiest college out there, still has "good academics" compared to their high school. Good academics also means there are easy classes and tutors available to keep them eligible to play until they get to the League. BTW..I recognize there are some exceptions, but probably not many, rated that highly...and these we may get, such as a Greg Monroe.
So, I do not understand the shock, when these guys choose a lower tier institution of higher learning, despite professing a love of academics.
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Post by beenaround on Nov 10, 2015 22:47:37 GMT -5
I'll just copy and paste some of my defense of Summers from four years ago when you jackasses dumped on him. He played hard and well his junior year, had a rough stretch with an injury, but showed up for every big game. He wasn't another Jeff Green or an Otto Porter, but he doesn't deserve the crap he gets on HoyaTalk. He was not one of the bad chemistry teammates on the 08-09 team. The thing about him shooting mostly threes his last year is demonstrably false. As a sophomore he shot slightly more 3's than 2's, but as a junior he was 85/155 on 2's (55.2%), 55/135 on 3's (38.5%), and he drove and got to the foul line much more than in his first two years (97/136 ft as jr vs. 70/99 as soph). He had an effective fg% of 56.4% as a junior. Also, he showed up and had his best games against big-time teams. He did not run up his stats against Mount St. Mary's or American like some of his teammates. His junior year he scored 17 vs. Tennessee, 21 (& 7) vs. Memphis, 18 vs. UConn, 22 vs. Pitt, 21 vs. Syracuse, 21 (& 7) vs. Duke, 22 (& 7) vs. Marquette, 17 (& 8) at Syracuse, 16 vs. Villanova, 19 vs. Baylor. Yes, his rebounding declined playing without Hibbert, Macklin, and Ewing. Summers was never going to be a great rebounder in traffic, but when he played with bigs who blocked out in 2008, he got a lot of defensive rebounds. His rebounding numbers dropped as a junior, but the whole team was a much worse rebounding team than in 2008. You said it much better than I did. I'm with you all the way.
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Post by beenaround on Nov 9, 2015 23:15:38 GMT -5
Not my favorite Hoya by any stretch...but do not get, or approve of the almost universal negativity about him..not aimed at you specifically, Johnnysnow. He was an exciting, talented guy, who never fully developed his game beyond dunks and threes. Supposedly he stopped playing for the Hoyas and was focused on being a pro his last year. Not sure anyone KNOWS that for sure. But if so, can't hate him for it. Just my two cents.
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Post by beenaround on Nov 5, 2015 11:48:22 GMT -5
Porter has been continuing this season where he left off in the playoffs last season. He scored 19 points on 8-10 shooting against the Spurs last night, and is averaging 12 pts./6 reb/3 asst on 53% shooting for the year. In light of some of the discussion above, does anyone think Otto has a brighter NBA future than Jeff? The fact that this is even a question worth entertaining (at least I think it is) is remarkable given Otto's first couple seasons under Wittman. Brighter NBA future? Yes, and it's not even close. Real surprised so many folks think "its not even close." I hope you're right, as its clear Jeff NBA legacy has already been written..a good player who never hit his All Star potential. But while I am 100 pct sure Otto will get the absolute most of his potential, it is far from certain he will have better career than Jeff. Green once scored 43 points with Lebron covering him...Otto's career high is 21 or 22 points. So...I hope he surpasses Jeff, but its not a given, by any stretch.
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Post by beenaround on Nov 4, 2015 16:51:07 GMT -5
Hoyas4Ever, I actually don't disagree with a lot of what you have written. Further, I consider Jeff the most physically gifted and most talented player produced by JT3. Finally, I root for him like crazy, and greatly respect his overcoming the heart condition. That being said, after watching him play on three very different teams over the past 7 years, I am going to lay the "blame" on Jeff not reaching All Star status.... on HIM. Could Jeff had been an All Star playing with Magic and Kareem,,,maybe. BUt plenty of players no more talented than Jeff have made the All Star team without playing aside Magic Johnson or Chris Paul. I was sure Jeff was destined for stardom, as he seemingly has the hops, size, speed, strength and skills. But I suspect he lacks the real "killer instinct" or just plain drive, to consistently play great. Honestly, I still wonder why he took so few shots and seemed so passive in that Final Four game against Ohio State. Just one clunker in an amazing career, but that failure to play with fire on a consistent basis is what I consider the culprit in his being good, but not great.
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Post by beenaround on Nov 2, 2015 12:58:23 GMT -5
This guy sounds like a bigger more explosive George Butler. This is a good comp! Great name from the past, TC! That guy had talent, but did he even play a full year for us?
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Post by beenaround on Oct 27, 2015 9:02:23 GMT -5
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Post by beenaround on Oct 24, 2015 23:11:22 GMT -5
Henry has performed well when on the floor. He is a legit NBA backup big, who can score, rebound and pass. Like to see the Wizards pick him up.
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Post by beenaround on Oct 19, 2015 8:31:15 GMT -5
If that is a foul, nobody can play any D without fouling Ha! How Right you are!
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Post by beenaround on Oct 19, 2015 8:28:00 GMT -5
Isn't the NBA three pointer longer than the college three? It is. Then again, JW took a lot of his 3's from NBA range. It's a fun debate. I'd take JW in a game of HORSE and Sleepy in a live game. I don't understand why anyone would bring up Iverson in a discussion of efficient distance shooters. Tash...I had taken Sleepy #1..JW #2 and Reggie W (NOT cameron!) #3. But think I will agree with you, In a game of HORSE, Jwall might beat Sleepy. In terms of perimeter shooting in real games, Sleepy all the way. I guess we do need the season to begin, so these debates can end.
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Post by beenaround on Oct 18, 2015 20:49:58 GMT -5
Unsurprisingly, the biggest improvement area for him is cutting down on fouls. While he scores and rebounds decently well in his time on the court, he's fouled out in 11 or less minutes twice already... Not a Josh hater at all, like some here. But, although it would not surprise me that he could score in the NBA, I cannot imagine him playing any defense whatsoever without fouling.
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