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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 27, 2023 13:04:31 GMT -5
If they are in a situation where they are effectively kicked out of school because the new coach doesn’t want to renew the scholarship, it’s absurd that the player would be expected to sit out at a new school. If it can be demonstrated that the scholarship was renewed but he chose to leave anyway, then I can see where a sit out is justified but I’d guess that is pretty rare in this new coach situation. What you described isn't rare at all, neither Spears nor Heath had coaching changes or were in jeopardy of losing PT but both transferred anyway. This happens all the time. Look at the Taylor kid from Butler or check the portal list. Imho, the sit-out year is a good rule for most players, especially academically. Sure but that’s not what I was talking about. I was talking about a situation with a new coach coming in and how I’m guessing most transfers related to that are usually told they won’t have a scholarship renewal. In that case, making them also sit is not right.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 27, 2023 11:55:32 GMT -5
I don't know how they'll be able to say run offs aren't automatic anymore for second-time transfers until the guaranteed scholarship rule has been in effect for second-time transfers: www.bestcolleges.com/news/revised-ncaa-rules-guarantee-financial-aid-for-transfer-athletes/Example : if Kim English runs off a player who has already transferred once - in 2021 - why shouldn't that player get a waiver? If I'm reading the rule correctly, if the player transferred into Providence in 2021, their scholarship is not guaranteed. If their scholarship were guaranteed at Providence, that would be one thing - there'd be no reason for a run off waiver because that kid could finish their degree at Providence if they wanted to. However, I don't think a first time transfer before August 31, 2022 is guaranteed that. Kids can still transfer but they will have to sit out for a year. If they are in a situation where they are effectively kicked out of school because the new coach doesn’t want to renew the scholarship, it’s absurd that the player would be expected to sit out at a new school. If it can be demonstrated that the scholarship was renewed but he chose to leave anyway, then I can see where a sit out is justified but I’d guess that is pretty rare in this new coach situation.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 27, 2023 11:52:45 GMT -5
Can't see him waiting around for a year - not sure how that's gonna work out. Probably the best for us. It'd be a huge gamble to keep him around and hope for a turnaround in his play, only to realize mid-year that he's just not buying in. Bring in Dual, keep Riley or Bass, and find somebody else who can fill in those minutes on the wing. It's not nearly as important as finding a starting PG or starting C at this point. Unless the waiver rules have changed, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a waiver due to the coaching change. The transfer rules that the NCAA just put out said very specifically that a coaching change would not be enough for a wavier on second transfer. I think that’s BS and I hope they reconsider. Maybe the run off thing will be considered and make a loophole.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 26, 2023 20:27:31 GMT -5
They scored 1.22 PPP against a team that gave up .92 PPP all season. Their defense in this game was passable - 1.12 PP - but it was their incredibly efficient offense, especially in the last 10-12 minutes, that won that game. Guess you did not watch the last ten minutes of that game. I did, in fact, watch the last ten minutes. And they scored nearly every time they had possession. I’m not saying their defense was bad but that offense hit a very high gear and that’s why they won.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 26, 2023 19:29:29 GMT -5
Miami proved defense wins games. They scored 1.22 PPP against a team that gave up .92 PPP all season. Their defense in this game was passable - 1.12 PP - but it was their incredibly efficient offense, especially in the last 10-12 minutes, that won that game.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 25, 2023 11:49:35 GMT -5
I really think Wahab gets a bad rap. He was still our team's most efficient player, and we were a horrible team. I am confident Wahab would excel better in a system that is more structured and works to get him more efficient shots. Ewing treated bigs in antiquated ways, having them post up frequently, etc. I think Wahab, as part of a more modern offense (depending on what offense it is) could do really well. His time at Maryland is really not a good example because of the mid-season coaching change. Obviously, Wahab's performance this last year was below people's expectations, but you could say that about everybody on the team, too. I still think he could be a very valuable player used in the right way. Granted, he may not be a 30+ minute a game player, but I think if he decides to stay and Ed Cooley wants him, he could be quite effective if used better. Wahab was fine under Ewing before Maryland. So it’s inaccurate to say Ewing was the problem. Wahab got messed up by Maryland. It’s unknown if he will ever return to the player he was before he went to Maryalnd Ewing is always the problem. He’s cancer dipped in toxic sludge.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 24, 2023 11:28:25 GMT -5
You are out of your mind if you think he’d get less grief if he quit his job in February only to take the GU job as soon as the season was over. In that scenario he accepts the Georgetown job immediately because everybody already knows it was happening. Up to JDG/Reed/Ewing as to whether Ewing finishes the dreadful season or if they let Nickelberry or Baldwin coach a couple games. You are in fantasy land if you think this would have gone over better.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 24, 2023 9:57:35 GMT -5
It was always going to be an impossible situation and I seriously wonder what people think he should have done differently. If he takes longer to make the move it hurts badly his new landing place (the Hilltop) as players enter the portal and get snarfed up, and Providence still is POed whenever he leaves (and maybe are madder because the delay hurts that school too) and if he says he was approached earlier etc it feeds into the whole “he quit on us and players quit on him” Provy Paranoia. If he was gonna leave and come here, doing it quickly and saying the things he has said was/is the way to do it. I understand the thought that says we never should have hired an intra conference coach (I have a bit of a queasy feeling myself still about that). But once one accepts that this is a business and perhaps he was ready for new pastures anyway (so a win/win for us/Ed), the whole “how he exited” strikes me as really just saying “it looked like an impossible situation that indeed proved to be impossible.” Respectfully disagree with this take. Cooley had a couple options once he knew he was leaving (which, if you look at the timeline of events, seems to be around late February when Providence visited Georgetown). First, he could have left the Friars right then and there, handing the reins to one of his assistants the rest of the way. For one thing, he'd have been able to avoid all the questions that came his way and he evaded during the last couple weeks of the season. Additionally, he could have given one of his loyal assistants a chance to make a run. Who knows, if the assistant does well, maybe he gets the full-time gig instead of Providence going to an outsider in Kim English, sort of like a Bill Frieder-Steve Fisher scenario. It would have been the right thing to do for Providence, the right thing to do for his staff and would have saved Cooley a lot of grief he's gotten for how he's handling things. Secondly, he should have stopped recruiting for Providence as soon as he knew he was leaving for Georgetown. Doing a Zoom call with Eddie Lampkin when he should've been preparing for the NCAA Tournament game against Kentucky was reprehensible. Does anybody really believe Cooley was recruiting for Providence and had Providence's best interests in mind at that point? Ethically, I have a real problem with how Cooley handled the recruiting side of things once the decision was made. Finally, putting the house on the market the day same day as accepting the Georgetown job was just a dumb, unforced error. It shows that the decision had been in the works for some time, so clearly Cooley had been lying when telling media outlets that his mind wasn't made up. It's not like a guy making $6M/year is reliant on selling his $2M Providence house in order to finance his new place in DC. Just shows a lack of strategic thinking that is worrisome, in my opinion. You are out of your mind if you think he’d get less grief if he quit his job in February only to take the GU job as soon as the season was over.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 24, 2023 8:51:26 GMT -5
Overrated SeC and Big Ten teams fell last night. They need to re-examine how they are doing the rankings and preseason rankings to stop this big 10/ACC farce Was Michigan State highly rated?
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 23, 2023 21:39:14 GMT -5
For some reason they jut wet the bed in the tournament. Maybe single elimination tournaments are extremely random and/or fickle?
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 22, 2023 13:44:41 GMT -5
Tough to know if you can put that genie back in the bottle. Murray had the run of the place all year, and seemed to play like he knew it. You can go back to game one, and Murray simply didn't defend. Cooley won't -- and shouldn't -- stand for it. Yes, he has talent, but I don't know that Cooley can change someone that much. I expect everyone to play better under Cooley ... but I'm not sure this particular issue had anything to do with Ewing. He was part of a very good defense at LSU. Mabye they were good in spite of him but odds are he can and will play defense.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 22, 2023 9:46:34 GMT -5
He seems really happy. Must have been miserable at Providence this last year and needed a change In addition to drawing massive conclusions from single games, you also love to make sweeping statements about people and their frame of mind based on still photography.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 21, 2023 11:02:37 GMT -5
No, he was not. I can not stress this enough, he wanted to come to GU and was making contact months ago. Who actually knows? I've had very credible sources say the opposite. Regardless it doesn't matter because the admin was almost certainly not making that hire regardless what happened with Cooley. He's not here, move on. I do know and I know this directly from the subject.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 21, 2023 9:46:36 GMT -5
He absolutely, 100% wanted to be at Georgetown and made no secret of this to the people making the decision at GU. I don't doubt what you say about him making the case for himself or about him openly lobbying for the job - what I'm skeptical of is whether it was legitimate interest or whether he was going to try to use GU's willingness to pay an inflated salary to push the price on St. John's. I don't think we'll ever know. A lot of people said the same thing about Ed Cooley and the admin's read of that situation turned out to be correct in that Cooley had legitimate interest in GU and that this wasn't a contract ploy. Pitino had a lot of reasons not to leave NYC. It was legit interest and I do know this to be true.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 21, 2023 9:44:29 GMT -5
Pitino was always going to stay in NYC. No, he was not. I can not stress this enough, he wanted to come to GU and was making contact months ago.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 21, 2023 9:42:37 GMT -5
The reality of the situation is Pitino was never realistically coming here. We can bemoan that all we want but it's the truth. Shaka was not coming here last year for $3 million dollars. I've made this point in other threads but comparing Cooley's salary to other coaches is completely out of context. No other major program is trying to hire an established coach after going 7-46 in their last 53 games. There isn't an established coach on Cooley's level anywhere in the country that was coming here for anything less than Cooley is getting (other than Pitino, which again wasn't happening). Providence didn’t want Pitino after losing Cooley. And they are in a desperate situation PC never had a shot at Pitino. He was asking GU to hire him and then moved to SJ when that was not going to happen. No other jobs were considered. I can promise you this.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 21, 2023 7:56:21 GMT -5
That also is important. Allen should not come to GU unless he is willing to put in the work and, potentially, sit for a few years. College basketball players did that for decades. Good players did not ever sit for a few years.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 21, 2023 6:29:07 GMT -5
Without even addressing the troubles in the Pitino history, I don’t think Pitino was a realistic option if St. John’s wanted him. His current house at Winged Foot is about an hour from St. John’s. He has coached in the New York City area for years. He had a prior relationship with the leadership at St. John’s. Maybe he just is where he wants to be. He absolutely, 100% wanted to be at Georgetown and made no secret of this to the people making the decision at GU.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 20, 2023 17:35:58 GMT -5
"Garwey Dual has been heavily rumored to be a Georgetown flip, pending the hire of Ed Cooley by the Hoyas." We are bringing a true class act to the Hilltop - go Coach Cooley! This is a criticism I don’t understand. If the player doesn’t want to go to PC and he would like to go to GU to play for Cooley, why is that a problem? It’s the kid’s life and his choice, right?
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 20, 2023 16:12:04 GMT -5
I am not sure why it was slimy. Cooley has been at PC 12 years, and has been known to be interested in other jobs in the past. Seems all very normal and aboveboard to me Who else has done this? I can’t think of any examples. Correct me if I’m wrong but thought coaching moves in conference was pretty rare Georgia hired Florida’s coach last year. Texas hired Texas Tech’s coach a couple years ago.
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