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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 3, 2022 11:09:19 GMT -5
But, we hired Nickelberry who will bring in all of the LSU studs and DMV studs so it’s all good. I think it’s going to be a lot harder than expected and you still have Ewing ultimately running the show. Without true change, just hoping for miracles. I wish someone could explain why those guys would come here.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 3, 2022 11:01:18 GMT -5
You think the 19-14 record and an NIT bid is something to point to. Xavier was 19-13 and fired their coach for making the NIT. That's the kind of competition we have in conference. If you don't want to compete in the Big East and view running an alumni coaching fantasy camp as a more worthy goal, it's fine, just say it. Xavier's team was lead by upperclassmen and 2 preseason BEPOY candidates. If you don't see the difference I don't know what to tell you. Our team was Jesse, Morko and the freshmen. While i agree that, at the time, it seemed like things were going in the right direction, looking back with the benefit of perfect hindsight, we can tell that the 2019 team was not good and the 2020 team, even before the gross mismanagement led to half the team leaving in December, was not very good either. If this is what you think we can get back to, then why are we bothering? Even at their best, Ewing led teams were no better than mediocre.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 2, 2022 19:41:01 GMT -5
Not hate, but I think they are abominable coaches, and the record reflects that. Nothing against them as people, but, yeah, they can’t coach at all. And I agree with 9797, I’m beating the drum until changes are made or the program rises from the ashes…at which point I’ll gladly eat crow. But I think even the most optimistic among us know that is not happening with this current coach. This just isn't true Smokey. Maybe you don't believe this staff can do it but I for one haven't forgotten 19-14...9-9 with the entire squad coming back minus Govan but plus Yurt7. There isn't a poster on this board that if given truth serum wouldn't say we were heading back towards the top of the BE....you may blame Ewing for what happened the next season but I don't and I personally believe that with a little good fortune it'll happen soon... That team was KenPom #100 so spectacular for Ewing but not so good for anyone else.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 2, 2022 14:31:03 GMT -5
Obviously no exposure 'Introduction to Logic' - Venn diagram circle 1 - Ewing supporters Venn diagram circle 2 - Hoya supporters Intersection of the 2 - Both Ewing/Hoya supporters If you subscribe to circle 2 and remain independent of the overlap/intersection of both circles, it does NOT negate one's support for the program; indeed, it could be interpreted that one is concerned about the current/future welfare of the program and against Ewing continuing b/c of the belief that the ongoing malaise persists under his tenure. STOP conflating Ewing = Hoyas - he's an integral part of the legacy as a PLAYER, but an unmitigated disaster as a coach (record reflects that after 5 seasons). The basketball program was here before he arrived on campus and hopefully (not guaranteed given circumstances presently) it continues once he's long gone. Professor (emeritus) Tom Beauchamp likely would cringe @ the inability/refusal to see logically through the Ewing-tinged nostalgia of yesteryear you obviously bathe yourself in. Don't fret, you'll still be able to support him unconditionally when he's finally gone from the HC position. What I ask cas is when is the complaining cutoff? At what point do the "hoya supporters" let it go and just wish the best for the team for this upcoming season? Because after a full month of complaining while knowing that changes at the top aren't coming gets really old. Never. The minute you stop complaining is the minute you start accepting. IMO, there is not nearly enough complaining about this outrage. As long as there are people who find this acceptable, the complaints should get longer and louder each day. I’ve got a lot more in the tank, which I’m sure you’re very glad to know.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 1, 2022 21:17:54 GMT -5
I assume the mechanics are 'sorry, you don't have a scholarship for 2022-23, but I'm sure there are other schools that have openings' Let me present an alternative scenario that has an equal amount of support as all of the other posts on the transfers claiming to state what really happened. The coaching staff sat down wit some current team members and said that playing time nest year would be competed and the players giving the best chance to win based on what the showed at practice would get the most playing time. But the team is pursuing recruits and transfers that play their position and, based on performance to dare, they could have a tough time getting significant playing time next year. Given the competition they would face, they might want to consider other alternatives. if anyone has documented testimony on the record from any players or coaches that a different discussion took place, put that on the record. If not, my opinion is equally valid as yours is that players were forced out and scholarships taken away. The reason this is not true is because it would require about 18 scholarships and that’s not possible.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 1, 2022 18:31:08 GMT -5
This thread should be pinned the top and bolded. How about responding to a contrary view? There are at least a couple of existing threads in which JDG's stewardship has been put under scrutiny and discussed in detail. There has been no censorship in any of those threads, and it's certainly fair to say we've had ample opportunity to say what we feel needs to be said. I've been very critical of the extension, and have no problem saying so, But, all of a sudden, we need a new thread after the dust has mostly settled calling out the University President and bitterly setting up a new round of bashing. Considering what's come before, it's unnecessarily punitive for alumni with the values some of us learned. There is not enough bandwidth on the internet to accommodate the number of threads that should exist loudly criticizing DeGioia and Ewing. What these people are doing is a disgrace and they should be hearing about it every second of the day.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 1, 2022 17:35:46 GMT -5
This thread should be removed. This thread should be pinned the top and bolded.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 1, 2022 14:21:56 GMT -5
I doubt very much assistant coaches have anything to do with helping players secure NIL deals That is expressly forbidden under the farcical NIL rules. Don’t worry, the King of Greece is on the job.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 1, 2022 11:14:26 GMT -5
I think he is stating the overhaul should have been as the head coach level versus the players... Okay well, no argument here, but that hasn't happened so it's time to move on. At least until the end of next season.. Butler just fired their head coach so it’s not too late.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 1, 2022 9:27:49 GMT -5
After 0-20, I’m ready for an overhaul. We’re not getting the correct overhaul.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 1, 2022 9:27:18 GMT -5
I think this discussion has taken off because Aminu's decision will tell a lot about where the GU basketball program is today. If he returns it says he sees sees a lot more positive things about Ewing and the program than many of us do. If he goes pro it means he thinks there is no way staying with the program will improve his game - and visibility - enough to make him an NBA draft pick next year. And, god forbid, if he transfers it means he sees the GU program hurting his NBA prospects and sends another signal that playing for Patrick Ewing is not the ticket to the NBA many of us thought would attract top recruits. Of course there is always the possibility that he is deeply interested in the academic challenges that GU offers and views his time at the Hilltop as a valuable growing experience.................. excuse me while I stop laughing. Look, many of us who have never played intercollegiate athletics don't appreciate what a grind it is trying to be a true student athlete. This is especially true if your ultimate goal is to play in the NBA (or MLB or NFL). Sooner or later the conflict between athletics and academics has to make you question whether the time spent in class, studying, traveling, isn't hurting your development as an athlete. Maybe, if you are engaged in a sport like baseball and going to a college that has excellent facilities and prides itself on developing major league players, then sure stay in school rather than spend a few years schlepping around the minor leagues. But staying at an elite academic school that hasn't produced a first round NBA draft pick in 15-20 years probably doesn't make much sense. I think this is the choice Aminu is facing and why I think, if the NBA shows any interest in him, he will be leaving this year. To be fair, Otto was a lottery pick less than 10 years ago. But, that might as well be a million years ago.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 1, 2022 8:59:06 GMT -5
Looking at this past season's stats of the "Nickleberry 3" rumored as likely to transfer to Georgetown, are we sure these guys are the difference makers the Ewing/Nickleberry fans would lead you to believe? Murray's numbers are pretty impressive for a freshman, but Reid/Fudge leave a lot to be desired: Murray: 31.0 mpg, 10.0 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 1.9 apg, 42.6 fg%, 33.6 3fg%, 67.7 ft% Reid: 19.6 mpg, 6.3 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.5 apg, 51.9 fg%, 25.0 3fg% (did not shoot many), 48.3 ft% Fudge: 13.9 mpg, 3.3 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.3 apg, 42.4 fg%, 28.6 3fg%, 56.8 ft% A couple interesting notes: - While Reid started 34 of 34 games, he was only 7th on LSU in minutes/game, likely because he was often in foul trouble (3.3 fouls/game led the team). He does not block many shots (0.8 bpg) nor rebound particularly well for a 6'11" guy. Based on statistics, while he may be big and athletic, he doesn't seem very polished. Are we 100% certain that a sophomore Efton Reid is that big of an upgrade from a senior Timothy Ighoefe? - Fudge is a pretty impressive rebounder but doesn't do anything else well, at least offensively - small sample size, but his 0.9 turnovers/game - 0.3 assists/game is not good. He's a poor shooting athletic kid who, if you could convince him to play the 4 at 6'8" might be OK, but seems to think of himself as a wing. Fudge was 8th on LSU in minutes played. Is he really an upgrade to Collin Holloway? www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/louisiana-state/2022.htmlI think Murray would be a nice replacement for Mohammed, and I understand that Reid and (to a lesser extent) Fudge were highly regarded high school recruits. But if we end up with these 3 transfers and not a whole lot more, I don't think that really moves the needle that much for next season. With Ewing as coach, we'd still be a bottom tier Big East team. Thanks for the research. These 3 kids need a lot of time with the shooting machine!! They are bad to average FT shooters for their positions. I know beggars can’t be choosers. Given that we were one of the very worst shooting teams in the country last year (eFG% 46.2% #321), they’ll fit in perfectly.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 31, 2022 21:33:19 GMT -5
So, is Nickelberry an NIL expert? Is he calling the King of Greece? Lmao. I was just throwing out pie in the sky ideas off the top of head to make a point. I would hate to be looking at the team through your eyes. If we land the guys we're cheaters. If we don't we are inept at NIL. Not a lot of room to enjoy much. There is a little room between the two but not much. The NIL ineptitude, that’s a given and anyone who has any experience with this team and school knows that to be true.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 31, 2022 21:17:57 GMT -5
Xavier wins the NIT. Wonder how many players will be back with Miller back coaching. I would think Hayes is gone for a HC job but Miller already said he has a spot if he wants to stay. Dude has never coached a regular season game and has a national title. That has to be a first en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Fisher
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 31, 2022 21:05:04 GMT -5
What NIL deal is Aminu or any other player under right now? None that I know of. I'm saying what they will NEED to do to likely get some of the guys we're being rumored with. And Nickelberry knows this - even if you abide by the rest of the staff is clueless. Whether they can pull it off? I have no clue. But I imagine with 2 assistants gone, Ewing on the hottest of hot seats to the fanbase and the national media (even if not the admin) at a minimum, and the roster turnover we are seeing - the motivation will be elevated. We will find out soon enough when we see who we pull in. So, is Nickelberry an NIL expert? Is he calling the King of Greece?
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 31, 2022 20:09:12 GMT -5
I love the idea that the same people who can’t get the correct score of the BET final on the ring are going to call the King of Greece and get an NIL deal worked out in a couple weeks so we can get a new center.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 31, 2022 17:50:33 GMT -5
If it took a bidding war for LSU to get this guy coming out of high school, why wouldn’t take a bidding war to get him now? How is Georgetown in a position to win this war (setting aside the question if we should even be in the war)? You're going to need to setup NIL deals for guys like Reid and Murray - as I believe HilltopHoops alluded to previously. They certainly will get lucrative NIL offers elsewhere. We shall see if the Hoyas are prepared to play with the big boys. I would think a well organized NIL pitch to the proper alumnus/boosters of Georgetown would be extremely doable. Whether we have the ability as a program/athletic department to pull that off - don't make me think about it lol. In all seriousness though Georgetown does have many opportunities to blow up NIL if they chose too with some relationship building and ingenuity. Imagine getting John Mulaney, or Jim Gaffigan or Kelly Rohrbach on board to agree to support their Alma mater by doing a free ad with Georgetown players. Many companies would line up. And the fee goes to the players. Get the alumni who started the Gathering Spot to have a promo campaign featuring Georgetown players as an example of black excellence in the community. Convince the Crown Prince of Greece (yes, an SFS alum) to give players and their families an all expense paid trip to Greece as part of a Visit Greece ad campaign. Who knows if any of these alumni will be interested, but you get my point. With the Georgetown alumni base the possibilities are endless. If they harness the possibilities they can "pay" these players within all bounds of legality and NCAA adherence. So when people keep harping on giving kids a bag or the program becoming cheaters. You either accept the landscape that's completely allowable now - or you watch VHS tapes of back when you were OK with how high level D1 basketball operated. There is a 0% chance anyone at Georgetown has given this as much thought as you did when writing this post. And, if anyone at GU reads this and thinks it’s a good idea, there is only a slightly greater chance that anyone there can execute on any of this. There is no way on earth Georgetown is going to have a competitive NIL program set up in the next few weeks. They are not going to go from a bowling alley event to something that can beat out the kind of schools that are going to make an offer to this guy and his LSU teammates.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 31, 2022 17:06:35 GMT -5
There is shoe #2. Fudge is next. If it took a bidding war for LSU to get this guy coming out of high school, why wouldn’t take a bidding war to get him now? How is Georgetown in a position to win this war (setting aside the question if we should even be in the war)?
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 31, 2022 15:07:28 GMT -5
How would this specific statement NOT be true in the scenario that Aminu was returning to a better college basketball team? Would you still say this if it were Duke he was returning to? If so...somebody should have told Wendell Moore Jr that. Also, lol at trying to hike his age up to gas your argument. The salient point here is that Patrick Ewing is one of the worst coaches in history so anyone who wants to improve is not doing themselves any favors by being in the same time zone as him. Unless Aminu is looking to make his path as difficult as possible, he’d be smart to get as far away from Ewing as he can.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 30, 2022 17:10:56 GMT -5
He is batting about .100 which is all we can expect from him.
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