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Post by hoya9797 on May 11, 2022 11:31:03 GMT -5
We fired two assistants and hired one - still haven’t filled the second role which is stunning and predictable at the same time I know people don't want to admit it but there are three assistants listed on the roster page : Orr, Crouch, and Nickelberry. Think people need to come to terms with the idea that Nickelberry might be the only add. I'm not sure trading Kirby for Nickelberry and Waheed as an Assistant and Crouch as a Special Assistant for Crouch as an Assistant is an upgrade. Also, no one knows if Heath is going to be eligible. Losing a 23 year old Captain and replacing them with an ineligible player would be a huge hit. I know everyone thinks there is some master plan at work here, but what if Heath was meant to be the 2023-2024 replacement for Carey, and now Carey is gone? If there is anyone you can count on to have a well thought out, long-term master plan, it’s Patrick Ewing.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 9, 2022 14:00:25 GMT -5
So what is it about Creighton that a small Jesuit college in Omaha can consistently field a successful team bball team and run a always competitive bball program while GU a small Jesuit school, located in the middle of the East Coast's bball talent pool, can't win a conference ball game or run anything like a consistent bball program? Coaching? Athletic Department? Could it be Omaha? They don’t have Patrick Ewing as head coach.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 9, 2022 11:51:05 GMT -5
I’d prefer a more humiliating end, one bad enough that he never shows his face in public again. I think that says more about you than anything related to Patrick or Georgetown. Yes, it says that I think people who have shown no grace or humility as they have been spectacular failures do not deserve an easy exit. I hope his arrogance comes back to hurt him when it all eventually ends.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 9, 2022 9:23:44 GMT -5
Francesa and it's not close. Isn't Mike Francesa retired? Patrick Ewing should be retired too. He can blame the evolution of the coaching landscape and NIL for all I care, the important part is to retire. I’d prefer a more humiliating end, one bad enough that he never shows his face in public again.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 8, 2022 10:00:38 GMT -5
Looking up from 0-20? Yes. Actually being a good team? Not even close. Well, the groceries look appetizing, we shall see how the meal is assembled.. I am excited for our newcomers! The chef will give you food poisoning. Be careful
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Post by hoya9797 on May 8, 2022 9:43:07 GMT -5
Too subtle for you and your ilk? You’d rather just read Pravda and believe all is well in the world? Sheep-like fandom legitimizes failure. Keep it up! Here on HoyaTalk, I am more of a black sheep, no? Otherwise I’d be doom bleating along right next to you, Big Sky! Anyway, we can all agree that the Hoyas are assembling some exciting talent, and things are looking up. Especially if Heath is eligible, we seem to have the tools to harass teams baseline to baseline on D, while slashing into the lane for high percentage shots inside, and open threes outside. Definitely getting excited! Looking up from 0-20? Yes. Actually being a good team? Not even close.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 7, 2022 10:37:51 GMT -5
What do you love about this?
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Post by hoya9797 on May 7, 2022 10:07:51 GMT -5
He might be too busy doing a TV appearance about his playing days 30 years ago. Hopefully those appearances lead to closing on top recruits like the last couple of years… oh, wait… Meanwhile, the previous post has a good 2023 recruit saying he hopes to build a better bond with GU’s coaching staff. Pat is still learning. Has he shown any indication that he’s learned anything from this debacle?
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Post by hoya9797 on May 6, 2022 7:43:49 GMT -5
When guys move back to programs near their home, there's usually a compelling family narrative that goes in with the waiver application ... or at least I think there's an opportunity to lean on "family reasons." But really ... isn't leaving a team coached by Bobby Hurley reason enough? Hey you have anti Ewing people love the Hurley brothers. They both are overrated coaches. And yet, they both are infinitely better than Ewing.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 2, 2022 11:31:09 GMT -5
From the GUHoyas.com website, "University NIL Policy" section: "Georgetown University is not responsible for providing or procuring NIL opportunities for any student-athlete. Student-athletes may use outside advisors in connection with their NIL activities, but should be aware that the D.C. Uniform Athlete Agents Act of 2002 requires that any agent who is authorized to negotiate or solicit endorsement contracts on a student-athlete’s behalf must be a registered agent with the D.C. Department of Consumer and Regulatory Affairs. NCAA prohibitions on “pay-for-play” arrangements remain in effect, and therefore student-athletes are prohibited from receiving compensation which is conditioned or contingent on enrolling at any specific collegiate institution, or on any specific athletic performance or achievement. Student-athletes must disclose any potential NIL activity to the University at least 10 days prior to engaging in the opportunity so that the University can ensure the activity does not conflict with this Policy, other University, Department of Athletics, or NCAA policies or rules, or any existing commercial relationships of the University. If the University identifies any such conflict, the University will inform the student-athlete in writing. It will then be the responsibility of the student-athlete to revise the opportunity and provide a new proposal to the University. The revised proposal will be subject to this same review process as if it were a new proposal. If a student-athlete engages in any conduct that the University identifies as inconsistent with this Policy, the student-athlete will be in violation of this Policy. A student-athlete may appeal a University determination that their proposed NIL activity could harm the University’s reputation or would be inconsistent with Georgetown’s Catholic and Jesuit identity by submitting an appeal in writing to the Athletics Department through athleticscompliance@georgetown.edu 7 days following such notification from the University. Appeals will be considered by the University's Office of Public Affairs. Disclosures are to be made through the Athliance platform, and must provide a description of the activity, the parties involved, the value and nature of any compensation provided to the student-athlete, and a written copy of the proposal." guhoyas.com/feature/blueprintAdmittedly, I am not an expert on other schools' NIL policies. However, based on reading the legalese, Georgetown's policy seems a heckuva lot more restrictive than what I'd expect most schools are doing, at least the ones that are using NIL effectively. In addition, you still have the problem on WHO actually would pay the athletes for their NIL, while also following Georgetown's restrictive terms. A huge problem for Georgetown hoops is that Patrick Ewing is overseeing a losing program with very few engaged fans (relative to other Power Five + Big East + Gonzaga-type programs). While Georgetown has a ton of wealthy alumni, who wants to pony up what it takes NIL-wise to associate with Patrick Ewing's program? How much are you getting paid now by He Who Must Not Be Named? Can't be much. You are underselling yourself. You should put yourself on the open market. A person of your knowledge and talents could make alot more in NIL money from a real deep pocket booster. WFT are you talking about? Who is “he who must not be named?”
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Post by hoya9797 on May 2, 2022 10:30:51 GMT -5
We know who helped bring him in. But Nickleberry can coach/recruit too. Had he not landed with Murray he’d still be a good hire for the local scene. Brooks can coach and recruit as well. Both coaches worth isn’t solely tied to one recruit. It’s like in poker…would you rather win the hand or play the hand right? We may be saying the same thing, but "helped" is too weak a term. I think Nickleberry is a good hire. But no Nick, no Murray. And likely no Murray, no Nick. Didn’t they announce Nickelberry before Murray announced his transfer?
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Post by hoya9797 on May 2, 2022 8:19:19 GMT -5
I’d rather have a strong recruiter. With Orr on staff, Pat’s not listening to a second guy. This is the problem, he’s not listening to anyone and his idea of how to coach and play is so flawed that it makes very little difference who he runs out on the court. He either needs to recognize that he’s horrible at every part of the job and hire people to do all the stuff he can’t (all of it) or he needs to go. He added the recruiter so now he needs to add at least one guy who has a clue about coaching basketball.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 2, 2022 8:02:34 GMT -5
This may inadvertently end up as a good thing if the last coach they bring in is someone who can actually coach and has some strategic chops. Ewing seems to think he’s got that covered but that’s obviously not true. Maybe he’ll get lucky and hire a guy who can actually help him.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 1, 2022 8:34:24 GMT -5
What am I missing here? Someone posts we are interested in this guy and fourteen minutes later he ups with another school. And that’s on the staff for dropping the ball? I am far from a Ewing apologist but c’mon. It’s less about this guy in particular and more about the random last minute scrambling that is a cornerstone of Ewing’s recruiting strategy and was really in the spotlight here.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 30, 2022 16:13:13 GMT -5
I don't even understand what we are doing with roster construction at this point if Heath gets a waiver. We have Primo, Harris, Anglin, Murray, Heath, Bristol and Riley for for 1 through 3....and not even crazy to suggest that Bass' best fit is at the 3. Someone tell me how Anglin get minutes? Maybe even Riley? Who is our starting PF? If Mutumbo is our starting Center and get hurt/foul trouble next man up is a guy after 3 years had to shoot one handed Fat's because he hasn't developed any type of offensive game? Wow.... Now more than ever I think someone (not mentioned or someone we've lost sight of) is waiting in the wings. I HOPE It’s way more likely that, in the excel sheet where they manage the roster, someone deleted the column where they listed the positions and now Ewing has no way to know how out of balance this has become.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 30, 2022 15:12:39 GMT -5
This coaching staff….. just unbelievably bad. I’m starting to think Pat Ewing might be bad at this job.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 30, 2022 8:34:24 GMT -5
Lack of recruiting and maintaining players has been the main issue with Pat. I’m hopeful the the assistants will now help in this regard. If we have the talent, we will win games. We just need to fill out our frontcourt now. Fingers crossed. Also, completely inept coaching.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 30, 2022 7:38:43 GMT -5
For what it’s worth, which is not much, I stopped rooting for Georgetown last year. I will pick it up again when a new coach inevitably comes in in one, two, or three years. Patrick Ewing is a bad coach. He’s bad at coaching basketball. He has no chance of making Georgetown a respectable program, let alone nationally competitive. He is totally incompetent. Every transfer, every loss, every humiliation is necessary in order for the program to turn around. So I am hoping for mass transfers and a team of walk ons that lose to Saint Leo’s. The worse the better! This is the only rational approach to this mess.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 29, 2022 19:48:11 GMT -5
Is LSU facing postseason penalties? Please don't mock me...I realize we didn't win a conference game...jus stating/asking at least we have the possibility of postseason play this upcoming season does LSU? Feel like that is at least a selling point... Nothing but conjecture on my part. But I get the sense that LSU is negatively recruiting against us hard (understandable). That McMahon has had success before unlike Ewing. That Georgetown was 0-20, Ewing is on the hot seat, that he will be expected to be the program savior, our roster is in total Flux. Also known as telling the truth.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 29, 2022 13:11:10 GMT -5
Here is a comprehensive list of players brought in under Ewing: 2018 Class: - Blair - played 4 years; presumably graduated- Pickett - played 4 years; presumably graduated- Malinowski - played a year as a transfer after sitting one year - Walker - dismissed October 11, 2018 (originally recruited by JT3, but stayed on after Ewing was hired) - Sodom - dismissed December 17, 2017- Dickerson - played one year; no more eligibilty 2019: - McClung - transferred to Texas Tech after sophomore season- Akinjo - transferred to Arizona during sophomore season - Carter - transferred to UT Arlington after sophomore season - LeBlanc - transferred to LSU during sophomore season - Yurtseven - played after sitting out then left to go professional 2020: - Gardner - announced transfer in December 2019; went to South Plains College; then Little Rock- Ighoefe - transferring- Wahab - transferred to Maryland;- T. Allen - played one year; no more eligibility - Wilson - still on team- Alexander - announced transfer in December 2019; transferred to Texas Southern2021: - Clark - transferring to SEMO after 2022 season- Sibley - transferred to UTEP after freshman season - Holloway - transferring; currently in portal- Carey - played two years, now in portal- J. Harris - played a few games, then left team in fall 2020- D. Harris - still on team - Berger - transferred after 2021 season to San Diego - Bile - played one year; went professional 2022: - Tre King - dismissed before the the season started, never played a game at Georgetown- Mohammed - NBA draft but not in portal yet - Beard - transferred to Pacific after freshman season- Billingsley - transferring; destination unknown - Riley - still on team - Mutombo - still on team- Rice - played one year; no more eligibility 2023: - Bristol - commits January 2022 but does not play (presumably not eligible until 2022-2023 season) - Murray - just committed; transfer from LSU - Anglin - incoming freshman - Bass - incoming freshman I tried to be as accurate as possible here so that we have a comprehensive list, but I realize I may have a few things wrong. If so, let me know and I'll update this post. EDIT at 12:00 pm, 4/29/2022 (added Bristol, hat tip to calhoya; also realized I had mislabeled the class years, so fixed that too) EDIT at 12:03 pm, 4/29/2022 (added Tre King, hat tip to prhoya for pointing out my missing him) 2003 what is the purpose of this list besides getting the The Anti-Ewing Mob worked up? I never took you for one of the members. This topic has been dragged through the mud countless times over the last calender year. Got to wonder how there is a pro-Ewing mob after seeing this.
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