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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 12, 2022 10:34:58 GMT -5
Hoyas 17.5 point favorites today. I couldn’t have been more wrong about the first game but this should be an easy one. Green Bay lost to Indians State by 29. Even last year we beat teams better than this by 18, 22 and 29. That is what made the Coppin game so amazing because even last years team would’ve easily taken care of them but anyways. Once again a team with no height that’s guard centric and can’t shoot. We should be able to name our margin of victory but after last game who knows. This will be a blowout win and the celebration here will rival April 1984.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 12, 2022 10:33:48 GMT -5
Yet you are still forgetting to mention that Jay Heath was out while waxing poetical on whitMoore and company We don’t know if Heath will be available, but Temple is not Coppin St. Is Heath your excuse for the rest of the season? ’ Jay Heath’s ORtg: 2020 - 94.7 on 21.8% usage 2021 - 98.6 on 22.5% usage 2022 - 100.7 on 19.9% usage I’m not sure how or why this guy has been turned into the savior of the team. Maybe he’ll make the leap into something a little better than average but it seems Ike this team needs a lot more than that.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 11, 2022 20:05:18 GMT -5
Odds are he didn’t actually tell them to foul and was doing his usual blame the players routine to cover for his mistake. Admins - why do we have to put up with this stuff here? Slanderous comments go way beyond the scope of no denigrating post rule, but you call me and other fans out for calling this yutz a hater? Come on, stand up for the program and those who support our players and team leadership. Blatantly saying coach is a liar is way beyond the pale. Given the indisputable fact that he’s a horrible and incompetent coach, the observation made by a few that the players on teh court made zero attempt to foul anyone, and his tendency to blame the players for anything that goes wrong, I don’t see how the scenario I suggested is anything but the most likely course of events.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 11, 2022 15:54:13 GMT -5
That you think last year's bigger problem was offense, and not defense, tells everyone else on HoyaTalk what we need to know about this analysis. I do, however, thank you for noting that you are an "actual fan," and will note that I too, am an "actual fan." Lol, Mr. Groupthink Von Lemming has weighed in! Gee 03, though we all know that nothing speaks to the fall of Hoyatalk quite so succinctly as the sheer volume of the blathering nonsense you post here every forsaken day, please tell me what good offensive players we had last year. Given the fact that, of course, offense requires more skill than defense, please tell us who on last year’s team was good on offense Last year, the offense scored 1.049 PPP which ranked 140th and the defense gave up 1.054 PPP which ranked 228th. They were both bad but the defense was much worse. In conference games only, the offense scored .967 PPP and the defense gave up 1.143 PP - both unbelievably atrocious but offense was close to Creighton (.977 PPP 9th and Butler .955 11th) while the defense was not even remotely close to the next team (Butler 1.062).
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 11, 2022 14:37:35 GMT -5
Odds are he didn’t actually tell them to foul and was doing his usual blame the players routine to cover for his mistake. Pat may have some deficiencies, but I am not going to go along with him being called a liar. He unequivocally stated in the presser that a foul was called for and he did so convincingly. The idea that it was not “communicated well” is supposition, since it should have been the first question one the mind of the players. One of two things happened here. He told them to foul and then all five guys went on the court, completely disregarded his instructions, and made no discernible attempt whatsoever to foul. This calls into question his ability to communicate his desires and his team’s willingness to listen to him - both of which are bad. Or, because he’s a horrible coach, he did not instruct his players to foul, they did exactly what they were told to do, and it backfired. Then, since blaming the players is what he does and seems to have worked out well, when he was questioned about this decision and it dawned on him that fouling was the better move, he went ahead and blamed the players for messing up yet again. This is also bad. Based on what actually happened, how the players all acted in those last few seconds, and five plus years of Ewing passing the buck, the evidence should be on the side of Ewing messing up and trying to cover for it the way he always does.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 11, 2022 14:00:48 GMT -5
I have one last comment & then I'm leaving it alone. In the post-game presser, Coach Ewing was asked why we didn't foul after B Murray missed his second FT. PE said they were supposed to foul. O.K., but if that's true, it was not communicated to the team very well. Look at the replay of the final minute. When CSU rebounds, every Hoya player heads back up court to play D. If it was clear that we definitely want to foul their player -- and give them a potential 2 points, still one short of a tie -- then why weren't defenders running at whoever had the ball to foul them? No one was frantically yelling or pointing to remind them, at least as far as I can see and hear in the replay. Check it out. It's a total gimme call and decision -- of course you want to foul the opponent in that situation -- but it didn't get communicated well or the players failed to follow the plan. O.K., so NOW we gotta stop beatin' this poor horse! We're all correct -- just the first game, all new roster playing for the first time together, inconsistent play, etc. etc. O.K., we got it. The only thing that will help at this point is more games, which will either refute or support our perceptions about this team. I think we would be smart if we hold off on our apocalyptic, absolute comments until after the Northwestern game. That will be 3 games under our belts, one against UWGB, a weak team we should beat handily and then Northwestern, a more formidable team that is the product of a struggling program right now (hmmmm, familiar). The jury will still be out, but we will have more to work with. It may also stop us from turning on each other in our idle moments. Let's go -- Hoya Saxa! Odds are he didn’t actually tell them to foul and was doing his usual blame the players routine to cover for his mistake.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 11, 2022 11:47:26 GMT -5
Coppin has a history of going to larger programs' campuses and performing well, and winning some of those games. The last time Coppin State beat a major conference team was Oregon State in 2014. They also won at Loyola Chicago in 2020. Going back to 2002, they have never beaten a team inside the KenPom top 100. And, out of 115 games against top 100 teams, they have only had 10 that finished at 10 points or less.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 11, 2022 9:34:54 GMT -5
I bleed Hoya Blue like you all but I’m shocked that anyone could say anything positive about our defense or even defend it. Same issues as last year with no signs of improvement besides one dude that gives his all every play in defense (which is a big deal in itself). For those that wanted a lot more full court press you got it. I’m hoping that conversation is done. I just want good and effective defense with some sort of cohesion. Effort, communicate, and care. Why does that feel like an impossible ask. Agree. It’s one game, small sample and all that, but this looks like a slight regression from last year. GU gave up 1.02 PPP in this game. Last year, when they played similarly terrible teams, they outperformed on defense in each one: American - 0.76 UMBC - .89 Howard - .92 Siena - .99 Dartmouth - .99
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 11, 2022 9:29:03 GMT -5
This is what it looks like when the bar is set as low as possible (and, for some reason, the architect of this disaster is immune from criticism). Might as well discontinue mens basketball if what happened on Tuesday is acceptable. Spot on no one has ever criticized Ewing on this board... hasn't happened...I mean I certainly didn't see hundreds of critical remarks (including myself) during the game thread real time... Certainly didn't see 99% of this board (including myself) after last season begging for his dismissal... Thankfully this board has you The Champion of Georgetown Truth...the rest of us simply cannot see beyond the end of our noses and thus we have you to gently put us back in our place...thank you I didn’t say that nobody is critical. I’m just pointing out that, for some, criticism of Ewing is not happening and, as a result, the bar is on the floor. Unfortunately, it seems that some of those people are also key decision makers at Georgetown.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 11, 2022 8:11:14 GMT -5
I bleed Hoya Blue like you all but I’m shocked that anyone could say anything positive about our defense or even defend it. Same issues as last year with no signs of improvement besides one dude that gives his all every play in defense (which is a big deal in itself). For those that wanted a lot more full court press you got it. I’m hoping that conversation is done. I just want good and effective defense with some sort of cohesion. Effort, communicate, and care. Why does that feel like an impossible ask. Premature conclusions much? We had twice as many blocks as we averaged last year, forced 5 more turnovers than we averaged last year, held our opponent about 30% below last year's average assist total and .5 below the assist/turnover ratio, all in a game that most here would agree we underperformed in. You clearly weren't watching very closely if you didn't see substantive, quantifiable differences in how we performed on D generally. The full court press forced turnovers, something it rarely did last year, the switching was way more crisp and effective and the G-fense was generally closer to what we hope for. Sub-par opponent, whatever, they have some very experienced and fast guards and we disrupted their offense at every level, forcing them to hit very low percentage long range threes to stay in the game. Hit them they did, and we all hate that the game was close at all much less tied at the end of regulation, but if you can't see the difference between Primo and Murray fighting through screens vs. Don Carey and Kaiden Rice, then I just don't know what to tell you. There were lots of things wrong with how we played Tuesday, but effort and results on G-fense were nowhere near the top of the list for most of the team. Q fouling from out of position, Anglin looking lost in his few minutes, I could list many more that are bigger concerns than general D. Must we do better? Of course. But are we on the right track with more promising talent and potential for greatness? We sure as Hoyaheck are. This is what it looks like when the bar is set as low as possible (and, for some reason, the architect of this disaster is immune from criticism). Might as well discontinue mens basketball if what happened on Tuesday is acceptable.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 10, 2022 19:57:52 GMT -5
"Seemingly an outsized portion of college basketball Twitter was following along Tuesday night as Georgetown landed an overtime victory over Coppin State. The reason? Ewing’s status atop Georgetown’s program. Ewing is one of the best college basketball players in history, leading Georgetown to a national title as a player before a Hall of Fame NBA career, but his Hoya coaching career hasn’t gone as smoothly. Last year’s team started 6-4 before losing 21 straight games to end the season. If Tuesday’s game was any indication, Ewing is going to have plenty of eyes on how he and his team handle this season and ultimately, whether he’s able to rebound or Georgetown decides to make a change." 247sports.com/LongFormArticle/10-college-basketball-coaches-to-watch-National-title-contenders-new-blood-and-hot-seat-casualties-197216863/#197216863_9A lot of it was because there were I think Only 10 games in all Of D1 basketball on Tuesday since almost everyone played on Monday Also, anyone who knows anything about anything is utterly flabbergasted that Ewing still has a job and the historically terrible game on Tuesday just underscores this.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 10, 2022 18:59:15 GMT -5
It bothers me that Ewing is unwilling to sacrifice offense for better defense. We saw 1st hand last season how TCU, USCe and SDSt had bad offenses but really good defenses and were able to play competitive basketball. I would love to see better defenders like Riley and Bass get some of Bristol's and Murray's minutes (especially Bristol's) throughout the game. It’s amusing that you think this a choice Ewing is making. This is the best he can do. He’s not making any sacrifices, he’s just terrible at this and has no clue how to do better.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 9, 2022 17:17:14 GMT -5
Mutombo wouldn’t have helped this game. The best lineup was when Akok was center and some big against this small ball Coppin, If we start giving Mutombo significant team in these non-conference games - we are going to lose a few more of them when we should. He just is not very good, at least not right now. When Ezewiro is recovered from his dental surgery - he is going to get all the backup center minutes except when Ewing wants to go small. And I bet we won't go small too often. Ewing likes to play his traditional centers. Ezewiro is talented. Against our non-power 5 opponents - he'll be an offensive plus around the basket. Defensively will be a mixed bag - he has the potential to be a decent defender because he moves his feet well for a guy his size. Gut that's only if he is focused and playing hard, which happened only sporadically in kenner games. But he offers far more than Mutombo right now. We clearly are not good enough to have the luxury of giving lesser players playing time for developmental purposes if we barely beat Coppin State. Too many minutes for Mutombo and/or the guys who did not play last night- and we would have lost this game The bottom line is that unless/until Heath is playing - we are a bottom of the conference team from a talent perspective. If we get heath back, then maybe we can make a run at a .500 overall record while still getting some of the deep bench players some developmental time. But without Heath - we are probably going to have to stick to our top 7 or 8 players almost exclusively if we want to beat all the non-power conference teams on our schedule, and maybe squeak out a win against one of the power conference pre-BE games. Ezewiro played a total of 25 minutes last year. How can you be so sure that he’s any good?
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 9, 2022 12:59:44 GMT -5
A team that can win on court 1 at Yates could win this game.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 9, 2022 12:30:22 GMT -5
Was this one of the 5-10 worst games in GU history? Going to OT against a middle of the road MEAC team has got to be unprecedented. Being inside 20 points is troubling but almost losing? Dartmouth last year was terrible, despite the outcome, I’d say this is right there. JTIII losing to Radford and Northeastern are both up there. But, even in the bad years, these MEAC games were no problem. Ewing is really setting a new standard. I wonder how he sleeps at night.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 9, 2022 10:18:56 GMT -5
It will be amusing to watch people slowly talk themselves into the idea that last night was actually a success and that this coaching staff knows what they are doing. This will reach a fever pitch when we blow out Green Bay. Don’t be fooled.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 9, 2022 9:22:57 GMT -5
Ewing--what's different? New players, new assistants, no perimeter defense, little ball movement, still struggling to beat a poor team with no height. Someone at the game please tell me that the coaches were yelling to foul Coppin State before letting them get a shot off in the last 10 seconds!!! Just another head scratching moment in watching this team nearly toss away a game. Ewing claims he told them to foul but, once again, they either couldn’t execute or chose to ignore him. He’s in midseason deflect all blame to the players form. I hope the new guys are ok with taking the fall for everything that goes wrong.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 8, 2022 23:11:16 GMT -5
We pulled away from 1 of the 10 worst teams in the country in OT when they had back to back games. Give Ewing another 4 year extension already! I hear what you are saying but I doubt Coppin will be the #305 team when the season ends. Yeah, they might get all the way up to 290. The only explanation at this point is that JDG and the board have some sort of Brewster’s Millions thing going on and they figure that paying Ewing $20M is the surest way to get rid of the money with nothing to show for it.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 8, 2022 12:47:07 GMT -5
I just asked my intern (Georgetown Junior) if he knows who Patrick Ewing is. He had no idea. SMH. Lucky kid
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 7, 2022 22:15:37 GMT -5
I return for another season. With so many new players, it’s important to have games like this to hopefully grow while winning. A big win won’t prove much, but it would be really, really refreshing after how things went last season. Personally, I think building a team around transfers is a lot harder than some on here think. One of Ewing’s challenges throughout his tenure has been building a team that is greater than the sum of its parts. I hope the team can develop a positive chemistry over these first few weeks. I hope we get off to a strong start. Go Hoyas! Last year, the Hoyas only played one team as terrible as Coppin St in American and they won easily. If GU doesn’t win by at least 20, then something is amiss.
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