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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 28, 2020 9:40:15 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 27, 2020 23:32:16 GMT -5
"Mutual Interest" in Chudier Bile from Northwestern State. Props to being ahead of the recruiting media.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 27, 2020 22:29:15 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 27, 2020 22:11:23 GMT -5
To preface: - For the pessimists, I'm not happy that the Hoyas missed on all of their primary targets in the class of 2020 other than Sibley. - For the optimists, I'm excited for the incoming 2020 class of Sibley, Beard, Clark, and Harris. Ok, now that that's out of the way. Looking back at the recruiting results from March and April, a few random thoughts came to mind. 2. Identifying Tyler Beard and Kobe Clark from scouting their high school teams, and getting their commitments before the end of the season, was probably more important than we realized at the time. With all of the transfers in college basketball, you have to imagine that Beard and Clark could have had more options had they waited. 3. Already having 5 freshmen on the roster next season (Harris, Sibley, Beard, Clark, Wilson), getting two graduate transfers (Harris and Bile) helps with some roster balance. First off, I hope there is something that changes. It would show some growth and a coach who can admit their mistakes and change on the go is someone I want running the program. That being said, the only area I'm really not super pleased with is the grad transfer market. According to Goodman's rankings, we got #35 and an unranked guy. Now, I don't know much about Chudier other than highlights and I think Harris should be ranked, but that's neither here nor there. I've given my take on Chudier, I think he can score enough and does a bit of everything. Someone said a longer and more athletic Galen in another thread and I agree with that 100%. I think he can give roughly 9/5. The turnovers and fouls are an issue, but that can be fixed. But, you expect better for a team with clear needs. There are clear openings and a clear path to minutes and these guys didn't take them. That's the one place where I'm not super satisfied. I like the class coming in, though I don't know much about Harris at all. But it's a good class with a good group who I think can really compete. I think this team is like the 2018-19 team, but with a higher floor (ex. we aren't losing to DePaul by what felt like 150 points) and a lower ceiling (that team was 4-4 against BE teams that made the Big Dance. I don't see that happening this season). I do completely agree with the two points I left here, but the grad transfer performance raises some concerns. Maybe just sheer unluckiness, maybe finding a potential diamond in the rough, maybe bad fit, or maybe just whiffing on targets. Who knows. But, there's a long time between now and when the first game next season is scheduled to tip off. Hopefully, something comes up then. I’m not too surprised about the grad transfers. The top grad transfers tend to go to teams with a good chance at a NCAA berth. There are a few exceptions, but most of those exceptions are still big name state schools. But even then, the Goodman rankings don’t concern me much. If the Hoyas got Kier, a lot of people here would be ecstatic and he’s #34 right next to Bile. Even DuBose and Horne had some fans here and they are in the 40s. And while in my opinion Tape would have been great for the Hoyas, he’s only #24. Past the top few grad transfers, I feel like fit is more important. If Harris can distribute and Bile can rebound and shoot, then that will benefit the team.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 27, 2020 21:40:15 GMT -5
5. It'll be interesting to see what actual changes happen to the staff's recruiting strategy that were rumored after December. The staff is certainly working hard. There were multiple reports that Georgetown coaches outworked many of the other coaches in pursuit of players like RJ Davis and Matthew-Alexander Moncrieffe, but couldn't close on them. Hopefully whatever changes are implemented will help to close on more priority recruits going forward. LC, would you agree the most important change that would lead to more success recruiting is winning? In his third season, Patrick had assembled a team that looked like a certain NCAA tourney team. We know what happened. Nonetheless, the remaining teammates played the best ball of the Ewing era and still had a good shot at the NCAAs until Yurt and Mac - their two leading scorers - went down. Still the team was competitive and played smart, efficient, hard-nosed, determined basketball. I know I was impressed. How quickly can Pat and staff get this new team up to speed? They return 3 BE quality starters... did not say ALL BE, just BE quality starters. Mac, Q and Pickett. Blair will be a senior had sure had his moments, displaying a much better all around game than we had seen previously. Now we have some intriguing newcomers. OK, some of them are less than sure things, but all have potential. Can Pat get enough out of the group to build a competitve BE team? If he can, recruiting will get easier. Nonetheless, some changes/additions to the staff would help. To do so, Coach would need to bring in an established, energetic, plugged in and HIGHLY motivated younger recruiting star who is well-known and respected bu the DMV hoops community. Will it happen? If Ewing can accomplish those two things this year, his futre will be looking much brighter. Let's hope so. I agree that the team showed some heart and was pretty inspiring this season. Coach Ewing certainly gets credit for motivating them through adversity. Though I still have concerns since the defense was not very good throughout the season and the rotation wasn’t shortened until all the players left. Yes, winning helps recruiting for sure. But if they can’t consistently get top recruits, then they better do a great job with player development. And I’m not sure I’ve seen a ton of evidence there yet with a player that has made a significant leap. Pickett has made steady progress, Blair shows more skill for a couple weeks before wearing down or defenses figured him out, Wahab made Freshman strides, Mac had better shooting before his eye injury, and Jagan made some improvement. Maybe Derrickson, but I’m not sure if he just got healthy. I just don’t know if I can point to a player that has significantly improved from one year to the next. Hopefully we see that next season with someone. I agree that they need more success with local recruiting. Waheed definitely works hard as the DC recruiter, I just wish he had more results to show for his efforts. If the Hoyas still had Terrance Williams committed, I feel like a lot of concerns would be mitigated.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 27, 2020 20:24:56 GMT -5
If a 5 star recruit is interested in Georgetown, you want the coaching staff to turn him down before he decides? I get being down on the program right now, and being negative about recruiting. But you can't complain that the Hoyas aren't getting top talent, and then also complain that they are pursuing top talent. Yes. I want a program that spends time doing realistic things. Do we see Xavier, or Butler, or Seton Hall, or Providence chasing waterfalls every year like we do? Interest is not organic - this isn't the 1970's or 1980's where kids became interested in a program and contacted them directly. If those kids are listing Georgetown, it is because the staff has has spent a huge chunk of time courting them already. That time is a sunk cost. Let it go and focus locally. You want to focus locally but not on top recruits? Most of the top local players are top rated recruits so you're probably going to complain then too. If you actually backed up your assumptions, you would realize that the teams you mentioned pursue lots of highly rated recruits. Here's just the top 100 in 2020: Xavier - 1, 7, 17, 18, 24, 28, 30, 36, 37, 46, 48, 49, 52, 56, 57, 69, 76, 80, 84, 85, 87, 94, 97,98 Butler - 11, 18, 30, 43, 64, 69, 74, 81, 83 Seton Hall - 7, 8, 19, 27, 29, 31, 37, 40, 41, 45, 54, 67, 75, 82, 88, 92, 94, 98 Providence - 7, 27, 31, 32, 36, 65, 69, 75, 91, 94 Now if your argument was that the coaching staff needs to pick their spots with top rated recruits to ones that they have a certain connection with, then I would agree with you. But I think that's already what they're doing, hence why they're in it at the end. But I know I'm not going to change your mind. So if Ewing lands a top 50 recruit, then I just want you to admit you were wrong when that happens. Until then keep on coming up with contradictory recruiting strategies.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 27, 2020 19:55:06 GMT -5
To preface: - For the pessimists, I'm not happy that the Hoyas missed on all of their primary targets in the class of 2020 other than Sibley. - For the optimists, I'm excited for the incoming 2020 class of Sibley, Beard, Clark, and Harris.
Ok, now that that's out of the way.
Looking back at the recruiting results from March and April, a few random thoughts came to mind.
1. As of December 1st, the 2020-2021 Georgetown roster was full, all 13 scholarships were spoken for at that time. Then over the span of a couple weeks 5 players transferred out or decommitted. Not getting into blame or fault or anything like that since it's been rehashed so much over the past five months, but that's a huge roster gap at a time that is after AAU, after the Fall when a lot of official visits happen, and after the early signing period. Not only did the loss of Terrance Williams hurt the team, but the timing of the decommitment was especially difficult.
2. Identifying Tyler Beard and Kobe Clark from scouting their high school teams, and getting their commitments before the end of the season, was probably more important than we realized at the time. With all of the transfers in college basketball, you have to imagine that Beard and Clark could have had more options had they waited.
3. Already having 5 freshmen on the roster next season (Harris, Sibley, Beard, Clark, Wilson), getting two graduate transfers (Harris and Bile) helps with some roster balance.
4. Based on publicly known recruiting activity, it seemed like the primary targets in the 2020 class were Terrance Williams, RJ Davis, Jamari Sibley, Matthew-Alexander Moncrieffe, and Kerwin Walton. Of those players, only Jamari Sibley will be on the team next year. Obviously not every recruiting target comes to a given school, but it's certainly disappointing when coupled with the other roster departures.
5. It'll be interesting to see what actual changes happen to the staff's recruiting strategy that were rumored after December. The staff is certainly working hard. There were multiple reports that Georgetown coaches outworked many of the other coaches in pursuit of players like RJ Davis and Matthew-Alexander Moncrieffe, but couldn't close on them. Hopefully whatever changes are implemented will help to close on more priority recruits going forward.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 27, 2020 18:01:47 GMT -5
I don't "think" anything since I have no inside knowledge. All I did was send you an article that provided you with an answer to your question/comment. Then DFW was selective in his quote of that article, which I wanted to address, and he then deleted his original post and created a new one. I missed the quote, and combined the earlier post with another one - not deleted. My problem is not with Bile but an ongoing reliance on short term fixes for this program. Is there no one in the WCAC or BCL or Interhigh ranks that Ewing could build a four year relationship with, instead of going to page 2 of Robert Kirby's shortlist of well-traveled jucos? To borrow a line from the NFL, was this the best player left on the board? Sorry, I assumed it was deleted since your post now shows up after my response to your original post. I guess my question is, who is the WCAC recruiter for the Hoyas and what recruits from his page 2 would pick the Hoyas?
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 27, 2020 17:47:35 GMT -5
Do we not recruit kids that UNC is recruiting right now because of our struggles? Yes. Any time spent on Chet Holmgren or Moussa Cisse or Frankie Collins is an absolute waste of time. If a 5 star recruit is interested in Georgetown, you want the coaching staff to turn him down before he decides? I get being down on the program right now, and being negative about recruiting. But you can't complain that the Hoyas aren't getting top talent, and then also complain that they are pursuing top talent. Collins came for an official visit during his junior year. I'm pretty sure that's he and Ryan are the first juniors to come for an official visit since maybe Derrickson? He's clearly interested in the program, but you don't want the staff to pursue him? Chet Holmgren came to Georgetown last June for an unofficial visit when he was in the DC area. Would you have preferred if Ewing told security to not allow him into the TAC? Moussa Cisse included Georgetown in his top 10, so he's clearly interested. His top 6 comes out this week, so if the Hoyas are included, you want the Hoyas to bow out anyway? This coaching staff gives out a lot of offers. I'm not sure if that will change given the supposed change in recruiting approach that started in December. But either way, just because someone has an offer, that doesn't mean that the coaching staff is devoting too much time to that recruit. Like I said, I understand being down on the program right now. But there's enough real stuff to be upset about that people need to stop making up stuff to be upset about as well.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 27, 2020 17:45:11 GMT -5
I don't "think" anything since I have no inside knowledge. All I did was send you an article that provided you with an answer to your question/comment. Then DFW was selective in his quote of that article, which I wanted to address, and he then deleted his original post and created a new one.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 27, 2020 17:35:41 GMT -5
You're also ignoring the next sentence that says that playing time was a factor. But I agree that first sentence is super odd. But it's also coming from someone close to the Bradley basketball program, so there might have been some bias in the unattributed comment. How would someone know his playing time after one summer session? A source close to the men’s basketball program said Bile’s decision to leave was based on the demands of the program being beyond his expectations. I can't tell if that was a really weak excuse or that he isn't prepared for program that expects its students to behave like adults. Georgetown is not Natchitoches, and if he hasn't visited (which he may not have), the demands of this program are going to be considerably more than Northwestern State or Bradley, for that matter. Maybe there was a broken promise in terms of starting position, role, or minutes between when he was being recruited and when he arrived on campus? I really don't know. I'm just providing the only quotes I can find on the subject.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 27, 2020 17:26:51 GMT -5
A source close to the men’s basketball program said Bile’s decision to leave was based on the demands of the program being beyond his expectations. I can't tell if that was a really weak excuse or that he isn't prepared for a strict head coach. Either way, Georgetown is not Natchitoches, and if he hasn't visited (which he may not have), the demands of the program are considerably more than Northwestern State...or Bradley, for that matter. You're also ignoring the next sentence that says that playing time was a factor. But I agree that first sentence is super odd. But it's also coming from someone close to the Bradley basketball program, so there might have been some bias in the unattributed comment.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 27, 2020 17:15:42 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 27, 2020 14:59:52 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 27, 2020 14:58:21 GMT -5
He is a grad transfer according to Rothstein. Just adding to this, Chudier Bile played two years at Otero junior college (16-17, 17-18). He was then enrolled at Bradley but left the school after one workout in July. He then transferred to Northwestern State (Louisiana), where he sat for a year due to transfer rules (18-19) and then played this past season (19-20). So he is a grad transfer with one year of eligibility left.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 27, 2020 13:24:02 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 27, 2020 13:21:26 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 27, 2020 11:22:26 GMT -5
Jeff Green!
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 27, 2020 11:15:17 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 27, 2020 10:27:37 GMT -5
John Beilein the reported top candidate at Wake Forest - what a massive upgrade that would be for the Demon Deacons.
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