hoyaLS05
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,652
|
Post by hoyaLS05 on Jan 5, 2007 9:14:50 GMT -5
After letting this sink in for a night, I'm more and not less upset about this. More than anything else, I think I was starting to trust him, even if I cringed every time he shot a three. The worst part about this I think is that from all indications, Marc did like playing basketball here, it just didn't work out for him. Best of luck to God's Gift.
|
|
Hoya50
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 805
|
Post by Hoya50 on Jan 5, 2007 9:33:05 GMT -5
there's no other way to spin this - this is bad news. while i think tyler can fill in a bit here, he's not quite the physical presence that marc brought to the floor. i'd really like to see pe jr step up his game considerably. so far, he's done little as a hoya. this is a great opportunity for him to stop being a foul machine and be a key contributor to this team.
|
|
Oh My!
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 938
|
Post by Oh My! on Jan 5, 2007 10:01:20 GMT -5
I should clarify that the main reason I feared GU recruiting Delaware players is that Delaware boys basketball players, in general, aren't very good (girl's basketball is another story entirely - if the Hoyas get Elena Delle Donne in a year, expect the rout losses to UConn to end quickly). Delaware is so small that anyone who makes it big gets lots of love (Ryan Philippe went to school here for a year or two and has breakup with Reese was front-page news, and Kevin Mench - who my sister went to school with - still gets articles written about him in the paper), so seeing Dagger and Mark while they were here warmed my heart. Oh, well. Nothing lasts forever. I hope you aren't thinking we have a shot at Della Donne. Good authority has it that she is down to Duke, Tennessee, and Rutgers.
|
|
|
Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Jan 5, 2007 10:29:29 GMT -5
there's no other way to spin this - this is bad news. while i think tyler can fill in a bit here, he's not quite the physical presence that marc brought to the floor. i'd really like to see pe jr step up his game considerably. so far, he's done little as a hoya. this is a great opportunity for him to stop being a foul machine and be a key contributor to this team. Believe it or not, Ewing's play has improved markedly after the first few games of the season. Hartford, @ Vandy, ODU: 7 pts, 6 rebounds, 10 personal fouls, 1-4 from 3-point range, 0 assists, 1 turnover Since then: 26 points, 12 rebounds, 6 personal fouls, 5-6 from 3-point range, 6 assists, four turnovers
|
|
SFHoya99
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 17,791
|
Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 5, 2007 10:36:17 GMT -5
there's no other way to spin this - this is bad news. while i think tyler can fill in a bit here, he's not quite the physical presence that marc brought to the floor. i'd really like to see pe jr step up his game considerably. so far, he's done little as a hoya. this is a great opportunity for him to stop being a foul machine and be a key contributor to this team. Believe it or not, Ewing's play has improved markedly after the first few games of the season. Hartford, @ Vandy, ODU: 7 pts, 6 rebounds, 10 personal fouls, 1-4 from 3-point range, 0 assists, 1 turnover Since then: 26 points, 12 rebounds, 6 personal fouls, 5-6 from 3-point range, 6 assists, four turnovers Yep. In fact, his rate stats are the best of any of our SF options. Very limited time, of course.
|
|
the_way
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
The Illest
Posts: 5,422
|
Post by the_way on Jan 5, 2007 10:44:54 GMT -5
This is a big loss.
He is the best talent off the bench. And better than Summers.
Big, big, loss. Nobody on that roster can give what Egerson gave them with his skillset off the bench. Dude had the intangibles, the hustle, the heart, etc.
But I'm not surprised or shocked that he is leaving.
People like Crawford and Ewing are REALLY going to have to step up.
Its a big loss, and a loss at the most inopportune time, right when Big East play starts.
|
|
|
Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 5, 2007 10:45:43 GMT -5
i hope georgetown continues to give opportunities to all kinds of players but i hope those players do a better job taking advantage of those situations beat notre dame...go hoyas Excellent sentiments- I agree wholeheartedly. That has been the GU philosophy for over thirty years and it should not change. Josh and Marc were part of III's FIRST recruiting class. That means III was at a distinct disadvantage in that he had far less time than other coaches to follow players and build relationships. A coach is not really on even ground in terms of recruiting until year four or five of his tenure. If we start seeing transfers every year, then we should deal with that issue. But the fact that a couple of guys from III's first class have transferred is really not too unexpected. Let's watch this trend over time and see what happens before we attack III's recruiting decisions. Losing Marc hurts. I really thought of him as a potential starter and serious contributer in the future. The guy is a scorer as well as an all-around baller. We will miss him both this season and over the next two years. I don't want to speculate about circumstances...but I do think that given his outstanding effort in Ann Arbor last week and the lack of any obvious turmoil surrounding him, Hoya fans should wish Marc the best of luck in overcoming whatever his personal situation might be and moving on to another college. Good luck, Marc. Go Hoyas.
|
|
|
Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 5, 2007 10:55:14 GMT -5
Thompson's first recruiting class is close to a total bust in terms of on court contributions. Spann has time left, Sapp is the obvious gem, and two are gone. I guess it takes awhile to dig in and get your recruiting efforts going which also means you might reach on some players. If we can get someone to fill in the defensive efforst of Marc, we should be fine. I think any of our bench guys can do better on the offensive side of the ball.
|
|
|
Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 5, 2007 10:58:06 GMT -5
One other thought, this is also going to give next years incoming guards, especially Austin, more minutes from the get go. It will be learn on the fly.
|
|
|
Post by HoyaAtHeart on Jan 5, 2007 11:00:23 GMT -5
Hate to speculate... EDITED
Then please do not. If you have any questions about what is appropriate to post, please run it by one of the Moderators first via a PM.
|
|
Oh My!
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 938
|
Post by Oh My! on Jan 5, 2007 11:03:58 GMT -5
ADMIN---Please cut this speculation off now. Can we lock the 6-page thread?
|
|
|
Post by GULaw on Jan 5, 2007 11:06:19 GMT -5
"And don't be surprised if he isnt the last to go."
Is that speculation or are you actually aware of another player having academic difficulties?
|
|
SFHoya99
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 17,791
|
Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 5, 2007 11:46:30 GMT -5
This is a big loss. He is the best talent off the bench. And better than Summers. Big, big, loss. Nobody on that roster can give what Egerson gave them with his skillset off the bench. Dude had the intangibles, the hustle, the heart, etc. But I'm not surprised or shocked that he is leaving. People like Crawford and Ewing are REALLY going to have to step up. Its a big loss, and a loss at the most inopportune time, right when Big East play starts. I can't believe I'm agreeing with the_way, but I am. People constantly complain this team has no passion or fire. Marc had more on the court passion than anyone on the team, IMO. People said he coasted, but I never saw that this year. He was always in the mix. Some folks also lament the lack of toughness on the team. I think Marc was our toughest player. He invited contact, got down and dirty down low...we'll miss that as well. Summers and Ewing are more finesse than I'd have thought.
|
|
hoyanick
Bulldog (over 250 posts)
Posts: 417
|
Post by hoyanick on Jan 5, 2007 11:49:13 GMT -5
Thompson's first recruiting class is close to a total bust in terms of on court contributions. Spann has time left, Sapp is the obvious gem, and two are gone. I guess it takes awhile to dig in and get your recruiting efforts going which also means you might reach on some players. If we can get someone to fill in the defensive efforst of Marc, we should be fine. I think any of our bench guys can do better on the offensive side of the ball. This is an interesting issue. Lets not forget, however, that Jon Wallace is a JT-III recruit, even if his official status was that of a "walk-on" for his first couple of years (and this year too?). Jon is by far JT-III's best find. Jon leads the pack in terms of demonstrable contributions thus far in his career, relative to the other JT-III recruits thus far in their careers. Jeff and Roy were Esh guys, and while Summers and Macklin have the potential to upstage Jon in the future, at this point Mr. Jon Wallace is the best recruit in the JT-III era. Sitting in Section 118 and glancing at the Georgetown bench, my friends and I have wondered aloud how Esh - a Big East coach of a legendary program - could have possibly recruited Sead, Ray Reed, and Matt Causey for the '07 class. Did he expect to stay competitive with those players? Was he concentrating on the next incoming class (Roy, Jeff, Tyler) so intensely that he decided that a completely worthless recruiting class would not make a difference in the long run? What did we as a board think about that recruiting class? Sorry to hijack the thread, I just want to point out that while the class of '09 may be disintegrating, it is nowhere near as mediocre as the class of '07 was.
|
|
SFHoya99
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 17,791
|
Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 5, 2007 12:03:35 GMT -5
Nick,
Jon's on scholarship.
As for the Class of '07, Matt Causey was originally the only recruit, I believe. Townes, a recruit from the prior year ended up going to Arkansas.
Reed and Sead were last minutes recruits who came in when Bethel and Hall transferred out and Mike jumped for the pros.
Now, Esherick had more room before the three defections, so he wasn't doing a good job recruiting (esp. big men -- this was the year Courtland played C), but Sead and Ray were Spring recruits right in the spring before they enrolled.
Without them, we'd have had eight scholarship players and two of those would have been Ramell Ross and Omari Faulkner. Since Ramell was hurt all season and Omari wasn't as good as AKD, we'd have had SIX scholarship players with Causey being number six.
So yeah, that class was not big on the court, but I think that was anticipated. (Although I'll always have a soft spot for Ray due to his defensive stopper status for half a season.
|
|
SFHoya99
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 17,791
|
Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 5, 2007 12:11:16 GMT -5
Just to play devil's advocate:
Esherick Transfers/Left School Early:
Willie Taylor Demetrius Hunter* Jason Burns Wesley Wilson* Harvey Thomas Tony Bethel* Drew Hall
Seven in 5.5 years, two starters, two backups
I left Sweetney out because frankly, I don't believe he turns down millions to come back.
JTIII tranfers:
Matt Causey Cornelio Guibunda Ray Reed Josh Thornton Marc Egerson
Five in 2.5 years. Egerson and Causey both got significant time, but Causey got most of his time on the worst Hoya team in decades.
Sure, there's different reasons, but transfers simply happen.
EDITED to answer Nick's questions.
|
|
hoyanick
Bulldog (over 250 posts)
Posts: 417
|
Post by hoyanick on Jan 5, 2007 12:13:28 GMT -5
Where do Sweetney and Reed fit into this picture?
---
Thanks for the breakdown SF. I'd still argue that Sweetney should be counted among those who left early in the Esh era. One could easily make the argument that Reed had the same choice, on a different scale: he wasn't going to turn down 30 minutes a game to stay on and play behind Jon, etc. The fact is that these players decided to pursue their own interests - NBA or Cal State Fullerton - and left Georgetown without a degree.
|
|
|
Post by IlladelpHoya on Jan 5, 2007 12:38:08 GMT -5
I guess I didn't realize that Egerson's nickname was "God's Gift" ...
If you're going to call yourself God's Gift, shouldn't you be, you know ... pretty good?
He played hard and rebounded well. Important stuff, but it's not like we're losing someone critical to the success of the team. Seriously, I closed my eyes every time he took a shot from outside of 10 feet. He was never afraid to shoot the ball, though. For good or for bad.
I don't know if the God's Gift name was tongue in cheek, but I'd rather cheer on players like Jeff, Roy, JWall, and Macklin who seem more humble and more aware of their own talent level. Egerson certainly wasn't God's Gift to 3-point shooting and if I'm reading the Post story correctly, he wasn't God's Gift to homework either.
|
|
YB
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,494
|
Post by YB on Jan 5, 2007 12:43:35 GMT -5
Two thoughts:
-TC "doesn't have the physical presence" Marc had? Are you serious? TC is the most built guy on the squad. He's only 2 inches shorter than Marc, and all of the games we lost were without TC in the lineup. I think Marc's exit will hurt us, esp on perimeter D, but come on. TC can certainly step up, and so can Ewing.
-One has to remember, that III had all of about 2 seconds to recruit his first class here. He was hired early summer and had no early signing period to work with. He did the best he could on the fly, and it doesn't surprise me that some have not worked out; he himself said at that point that he "was just trying to improve the talent level". That he did, over prior years. And he has gotten much better over time as well. Solet's not rush to judge III's recruiting; he has done wonders here, and judging his first, shorthanded effort as if it were on par with others is misleading.
Bottom line, this hurts us, we'll feel it but it shouldn't be a crushing blow, and hopefully other guys step up to not feel the loss at all.
|
|
paranoya
Century (over 100 posts)
"Iverson was cool but I supported Victor Page. It's a DC thing, in case you ain't notice." - Wale
Posts: 234
|
Post by paranoya on Jan 5, 2007 12:44:11 GMT -5
I forgot how humble Macklin was when he proclaimed himself "The Big Ticket".
|
|