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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 4, 2007 22:01:06 GMT -5
well be fine. our graduation rates are way above average. UMD graduated no one last year.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Jan 4, 2007 22:16:55 GMT -5
I just saw this on the ESPN ticker and headed straight over here .... wow, this is a shocker.
I hope things are ok, Marc, and best of luck with the next step. You'll be missed.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 4, 2007 22:18:27 GMT -5
no way to sugarcoat this, its a bad bad thing for everybody involved: the team, Marc, the school, you name it. I was devastated to hear it.
One of my better memories from last year's Duke game was sitting a row in front of Marc's cousin, who cheered like crazy when he scored a couple of baskets in that game.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 4, 2007 22:23:14 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 4, 2007 22:39:21 GMT -5
wow i guess i was wrong. where's the level when schools start getting punished.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 4, 2007 22:46:48 GMT -5
Tay Spann is VASTLY underrated. However, i don't believe he'll get much PT. But he's crafty and pretty darn good, he just needs to play. But he's an Esh guy right?
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Post by CO_Hoya on Jan 4, 2007 22:51:19 GMT -5
Tay Spann is VASTLY underrated. However, i don't believe he'll get much PT. But he's crafty and pretty darn good, he just needs to play. But he's an Esh guy right? Don't think so (although I'm often - usually- wrong). From what I recall, Sapp and Egerson were considered the last of the Esherick recruits, while Spann and the Dagger were JTIII's.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 4, 2007 22:51:23 GMT -5
btw - we'll be fine. PE will do well.
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Post by Dhall on Jan 4, 2007 22:53:34 GMT -5
When a kid who has started 3 games and played a lot of minutes transfers in the middle of the season, that's a pretty big failure on somebody's part: unless Marc suddenly decided out of the blue that he doesn't like it here (doubtful), the staff failed to recognize the problems and deal with them and still allowed him to play instead of a guy who is actually going to be here the rest of the year. If he was teetering on academic failures, he should not have been playing. The team and the fans will suffer some as a result while the others play catch-up, but hopefully it won't be too much.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 4, 2007 22:54:13 GMT -5
Tay Spann is VASTLY underrated. However, i don't believe he'll get much PT. But he's crafty and pretty darn good, he just needs to play. But he's an Esh guy right? No. The story goes that upon accepting the job, III flew down to Georgia to recruit Tay. I think Esh was recruiting him, but III he committed to III and III definitely wanted him. Jeff, Roy, Sead and Tyler are the last remaining Esherick recruits. Thompson's first full class is growing very slim. Sapp is starting, but Thornton and Egerson have left and Tay has not contributed much yet. Perhaps this is his chance.
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Post by theexorcist on Jan 4, 2007 23:00:12 GMT -5
I should clarify that the main reason I feared GU recruiting Delaware players is that Delaware boys basketball players, in general, aren't very good (girl's basketball is another story entirely - if the Hoyas get Elena Delle Donne in a year, expect the rout losses to UConn to end quickly). Delaware is so small that anyone who makes it big gets lots of love (Ryan Philippe went to school here for a year or two and has breakup with Reese was front-page news, and Kevin Mench - who my sister went to school with - still gets articles written about him in the paper), so seeing Dagger and Mark while they were here warmed my heart.
Oh, well. Nothing lasts forever.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jan 4, 2007 23:00:30 GMT -5
I think we have the ability to do some different things in the lineup without marc.
1) We can go big with Vernon getting more playing time at the four and Jeff switching over to the three and Roy at the five. Or, Vernon can be at the five with Jeff at the four and DeJuan at the three. Either way, in this scenario, Vernon gets more minutes, which IMO, isn't a bad thing at all.
2) We can go small with Tyler getting more minutes along side Jessie and Jon. Of course, in both of these scenario's, DeJuan starts. But, as we've seen, DeJuan has the propensity to get into foul trouble. So Tyler would be the first off the bench, with JR getting more minutes as well.
Either way, this significantly shortens our bench. In the long run, this can either be good, or very bad. Marc was a big key, and he contributed a lot of things that didn't show up in the stats.
The days of Jeff getting into constant foul trouble has to end. We no longer have the depth to bail him out as was the case in the michigan game. Also, DeJuan is going to need to score more, and ewing will have to step up as well.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 4, 2007 23:01:23 GMT -5
okay cool. thanks.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jan 4, 2007 23:05:15 GMT -5
Here's the issue as I see it - the entire program was planning on having Marc for the Big East season and now we don't have him and have to play a shorter bench and can't utilize that against our opponents like we would have planned.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 4, 2007 23:20:10 GMT -5
Here's the issue as I see it - the entire program was planning on having Marc for the Big East season and now we don't have him and have to play a shorter bench and can't utilize that against our opponents like we would have planned. Eh. I don't think that's the problem. The problem is Marc was half of the SF tandem that was Dajuan/Marc and a very good defender and rebounder. Now we can handle this (and in some ways we're built for it since it just moves a ten-man rotation to nine). But it's a big blow right this second. Bottom line, we have our rotation now by force. All 9 guys will get time. Let's hope Tyler and Pat can make up for Marc's 20 minutes. It's not a stretch to say they can.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 4, 2007 23:23:45 GMT -5
I just saw this... and I had Egg as my candidate for most improved player on the team. This hurts.
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Post by Eurostar on Jan 4, 2007 23:26:15 GMT -5
egerson was growing on me this season, but i dont think his departure changes much as far as my outlook on the season or who will be getting playing time. its not like spann will start playing in close games now. crawford is ready to go from 10min per game to 20, and ewing/rivers are ready to get 5-10 more than they have been. that covers egerson's 20mpg. remember that crawford started the first game of the season before he got sick. mark him down for 25+ quality mpg from here on out. i dont see this "shortening" our bench very much... we were playing 10 deep and now we're playing 9 deep... big deal
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jan 4, 2007 23:26:18 GMT -5
St. Pete,
I see what you're saying. But we still have good depth. Ewing and Tyler are good at the 2 and the 3. JR is good coming off the bench at either guard spot and Vern is good at the 4 and the 5.
We just have to replace the scoring Marc brought off the bench. and the intangibles.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 4, 2007 23:29:48 GMT -5
marc's intangibles and rebounding will be the hardest to replace.
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Post by Filo on Jan 4, 2007 23:35:17 GMT -5
It is disappointing, as Marc really seemed to be coming around. I think we will miss his As far as the graduation rate issue that has been raised... Looking over the NCAA rules again, it seems that trouble kicks in when a team has an "0-for-2" student-athlete* and an Academic Progress Rate of less than 925 (which translates into a 60% Graduation Success Rate or GSR -- DFW's link shows that the basketball team had a 64% GSR; these are rolling averages over something like a 4-year period). The penalties are loss of scholarships. I don't think we will have a problem here, as I doubt our graduation rate will go under 60%. Still, nothing positive about this on any front. * "An 0-2 student-athlete is one who is neither academically eligible nor remains with the institution. An 0-for-2 player might be one who transfers, leaves the institution for personal reasons or leaves to turn pro and would not have been academically eligible had he or she returned. Obviously, these are the types of situations the academic-reform structure is most meant to address since they are the most damaging to a team's APR. While teams cannot always control the reasons student-athletes leave, the contemporaneous penalty holds them accountable for at least making sure student-athletes are academically eligible during their college tenures. " www2.ncaa.org/portal/academics_and_athletes/education_and_research/academic_reform/index.html
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