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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 7, 2017 22:13:48 GMT -5
Meyer missed 5 consecutive NCAA tournaments before he was fired.
And since getting rid of Meyer, DePaul has had made the NCAA tournament 2 times in 19 years through five major coaching changes.
I wouldn't exactly look at this as a good analogy or a good example for change.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 7, 2017 22:20:47 GMT -5
Meyer missed 5 consecutive NCAA tournaments before he was fired. And since getting rid of Meyer, DePaul has had made the NCAA tournament 2 times in 19 years through five major coaching changes. I wouldn't exactly look at this as a good analogy or a good example for change. Only his last two seasons were losing seasons which is same here. I think the fear tactics of how we will somehow follow in DePaul's footsteps by moving on from an underperforming coach is getting ridiculous. What do we do, keep sitting here $hitting the bed and acting like it could be worse? Loser mentality if I ever saw one.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 7, 2017 22:34:58 GMT -5
Meyer missed 5 consecutive NCAA tournaments before he was fired. And since getting rid of Meyer, DePaul has had made the NCAA tournament 2 times in 19 years through five major coaching changes. I wouldn't exactly look at this as a good analogy or a good example for change. Only his last two seasons were losing seasons which is same here. I think the fear tactics of how we will somehow follow in DePaul's footsteps by moving on from an underperforming coach is getting ridiculous. What do we do, keep sitting here $hitting the bed and acting like it could be worse? Loser mentality if I ever saw one. I don't get the obsession with losing overall records. You can easily manipulate OOC scheduling to get a winning record. A winning record is useless if you are otherwise are terrible in meaningful games. And as you can see, Meyer didn't post one winning conference record in that 5 year span. So even in his .500+ seasons, his team wasn't good enough in conference to post a winning record there. His records were: 16-15 (3-7), 16-12 (4-8), 17-11 (6-6), 11-18 (2-12), 3-23 (1-13). I mean, that's putrid and nothing close to what we've experienced here. Your repeated argument about fear tactics is old and tired. Nobody is saying we would turn into DePaul. It merely shows that changing coaches isn't always a slam dunk, so you better be sure before you dismiss a coach with past success. Now, go ahead and call me clueless and an apologist, with a completely thoughtless post. That's what I've come to expect from you. [Aside: Also, I know the moderators are intentionally liberal, but using characters to circumvent the language rules on the board seems pretty cowardly.]
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Post by This Just In on Mar 7, 2017 22:48:58 GMT -5
Meyer missed 5 consecutive NCAA tournaments before he was fired. And since getting rid of Meyer, DePaul has had made the NCAA tournament 2 times in 19 years through five major coaching changes. I wouldn't exactly look at this as a good analogy or a good example for change. Only his last two seasons were losing seasons which is same here. I think the fear tactics of how we will somehow follow in DePaul's footsteps by moving on from an underperforming coach is getting ridiculous. What do we do, keep sitting here $hitting the bed and acting like it could be worse? Loser mentality if I ever saw one. DePaul has not had a winning record in over a decade and no speaks about it. Gtown posts 2 straight losing seasons and it gets national coverage coast to coast. The brands and name recognition are totally different No one in the national media is trying to hold DePaul accountable for their yearly under achieving. While Georgetown's basketball program is being scrutinized on an local and national level, which is a good thing.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 7, 2017 22:51:08 GMT -5
Only his last two seasons were losing seasons which is same here. I think the fear tactics of how we will somehow follow in DePaul's footsteps by moving on from an underperforming coach is getting ridiculous. What do we do, keep sitting here $hitting the bed and acting like it could be worse? Loser mentality if I ever saw one. DePaul has not had a winning record in over a decade and no speaks about it. Gtown posts 2 straight losing seasons and it gets national coverage coast to coast. The brands and name recognition are totally different No one in the national media is trying to hold DePaul accountable for their yearly under achieving. While Georgetown's basketball program is being scrutinized on an local and national level, which is a good thing. But if we continue down this same path as 2003 advocates then they will stop talking about us as most will realize we aren't here to put a competitive program forth any longer.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 7, 2017 22:58:21 GMT -5
DePaul has not had a winning record in over a decade and no speaks about it. Gtown posts 2 straight losing seasons and it gets national coverage coast to coast. The brands and name recognition are totally different No one in the national media is trying to hold DePaul accountable for their yearly under achieving. While Georgetown's basketball program is being scrutinized on an local and national level, which is a good thing. But if we continue down this same path as 2003 advocates then they will stop talking about us as most will realize we aren't here to put a competitive program forth any longer. The media like ESPN is getting the smell of blood in the water..turmoil, controversy, the look of a program in disarray sells If JTIII is brought back he better win and win fast cause if not now the media will be carrying the pitch forks and torches asking the tough questions of the program
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Post by bicentennial on Mar 7, 2017 22:59:10 GMT -5
I suspect the administration gives JTIII at least one more year. While I do feel we have been on a downward trajectory, I don't feel it was or is anything like the lows DePaul faced and even now continues to face.
Under Ray Meyer most of the games were on campus in the 5600 Alumni Hall Gym until in 1980 at a time when they had been to the final 4 they moved to the brand new Rosemont Horizon which sat 17000 and for a number of years they often filled the stadium. I remember seeing some of the Georgetown DePaul games there in the 1980s. The trip to Rosemont from their campus was farther than the trip to the Comcast Center was for us in DC. During the next decade as the DePaul teams started to falter fewer and fewer fans made the trip to watch games and attendance declined considerably. Other sports teams in Chicago had started to do better so there were much better tickets much closer to downtown and this undoubtedly affected the attendance at games and the Rosemont Horizon/Allstate Arena became a burden due to its distance from campus. For most of the last 2 decades there has been scant attendance at games. Next year DePaul will move to a 10,000 seat brand new arena that will be on the same train line as the DePaul Lincoln Park and Downtown campuses. The train ride from the main campus will be less than 30 minutes and only about 10 minutes from the downtown campus. Their current coach who was the last coach to take them to the NCAAs when he coached them 20 years ago said they would never have a winning program playing at Allstate Arena. I suspect that is why they brought him back to see if he could succeed closer to downtown and their campuses.
JTIII for many years said that he was burdened in recruiting by the outdated pit that was McDonough gym. That does not explain away the NCAA losses or the decline within the Big East that has occurred. Still, I suspect it does give the administration pause in firing him after he and his father helped bring in big time donors to get the facility built. What sane coach would ever feel comfortable coaching at Georgetown knowing that a coach who took the team to the final four shortly after arriving on campus and who lobbied and recruited donors in order to have a new facility built on campus was let go without ever getting to see if he was right that the new facility would help attract the better caliber of players needed to have the type of success the university community demands.
While I fear we will lose tomorrow, I believe JTIII recognized his players limitations early this year and has been working on a new plan for the Big East tournament. I fully expect more of the movement and fast breaks we saw earlier in the season coupled with some of the passing and back door cuts he teaches from the Princeton offense in whichever games we play this week. Whether the players limitations will allow us to win remains to be seen. I suspect we shoot better than 30% from three and better than 50% from 2 in whichever games we get to play!
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 8, 2017 9:27:24 GMT -5
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 8, 2017 9:32:30 GMT -5
Next year DePaul will move to a 10,000 seat brand new arena that will be on the same train line as the DePaul Lincoln Park and Downtown campuses. The train ride from the main campus will be less than 30 minutes and only about 10 minutes from the downtown campus. Their current coach who was the last coach to take them to the NCAAs when he coached them 20 years ago said they would never have a winning program playing at Allstate Arena. I suspect that is why they brought him back to see if he could succeed closer to downtown and their campuses. For the curious out there, here is a link to the website for the new arena. It looks pretty amazing. WinTrust Arena
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 8, 2017 11:25:06 GMT -5
Thanks for posting - interesting article. I really do hope that the new arena helps them. Having a stronger DePaul would certainly be better for the Big East in general.
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Post by McBricks on Mar 8, 2017 13:02:52 GMT -5
Next year DePaul will move to a 10,000 seat brand new arena that will be on the same train line as the DePaul Lincoln Park and Downtown campuses. The train ride from the main campus will be less than 30 minutes and only about 10 minutes from the downtown campus. Their current coach who was the last coach to take them to the NCAAs when he coached them 20 years ago said they would never have a winning program playing at Allstate Arena. I suspect that is why they brought him back to see if he could succeed closer to downtown and their campuses. For the curious out there, here is a link to the website for the new arena. It looks pretty amazing. WinTrust ArenaDamn that looks amazing. And yes, I am now officially jealous of Depaul. Fricken Depaul. Arena seats 10K. Should be a perfect place to watch a game. www.depaulbluedemons.com/wintrustarena/renderings.html
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 8, 2017 15:02:43 GMT -5
I suspect the administration gives JTIII at least one more year. While I do feel we have been on a downward trajectory, I don't feel it was or is anything like the lows DePaul faced and even now continues to face. Under Ray Meyer most of the games were on campus in the 5600 Alumni Hall Gym until in 1980 at a time when they had been to the final 4 they moved to the brand new Rosemont Horizon which sat 17000 and for a number of years they often filled the stadium. I remember seeing some of the Georgetown DePaul games there in the 1980s. The trip to Rosemont from their campus was farther than the trip to the Comcast Center was for us in DC. During the next decade as the DePaul teams started to falter fewer and fewer fans made the trip to watch games and attendance declined considerably. Other sports teams in Chicago had started to do better so there were much better tickets much closer to downtown and this undoubtedly affected the attendance at games and the Rosemont Horizon/Allstate Arena became a burden due to its distance from campus. For most of the last 2 decades there has been scant attendance at games. Next year DePaul will move to a 10,000 seat brand new arena that will be on the same train line as the DePaul Lincoln Park and Downtown campuses. The train ride from the main campus will be less than 30 minutes and only about 10 minutes from the downtown campus. Their current coach who was the last coach to take them to the NCAAs when he coached them 20 years ago said they would never have a winning program playing at Allstate Arena. I suspect that is why they brought him back to see if he could succeed closer to downtown and their campuses. JTIII for many years said that he was burdened in recruiting by the outdated pit that was McDonough gym. That does not explain away the NCAA losses or the decline within the Big East that has occurred. Still, I suspect it does give the administration pause in firing him after he and his father helped bring in big time donors to get the facility built. What sane coach would ever feel comfortable coaching at Georgetown knowing that a coach who took the team to the final four shortly after arriving on campus and who lobbied and recruited donors in order to have a new facility built on campus was let go without ever getting to see if he was right that the new facility would help attract the better caliber of players needed to have the type of success the university community demands. While I fear we will lose tomorrow, I believe JTIII recognized his players limitations early this year and has been working on a new plan for the Big East tournament. I fully expect more of the movement and fast breaks we saw earlier in the season coupled with some of the passing and back door cuts he teaches from the Princeton offense in whichever games we play this week. Whether the players limitations will allow us to win remains to be seen. I suspect we shoot better than 30% from three and better than 50% from 2 in whichever games we get to play! Georgetown - DePaul games used to be an event. Wasn't it number 1 vs. number 2 one year? I hope you are right about what to expect today. For my part, I expect 20 turnovers and 3-18 shooting from 3. And fouls. Lots of fouls. That does seem to be more in line with our typical performance. I hope we win, even if it means getting clobbered again by Nova tomorrow. We are inexplicably favored.
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 8, 2017 15:04:10 GMT -5
At least the Ark floated. Yep. Noted and corrected.
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Mar 8, 2017 15:06:25 GMT -5
Ya gotta be all over The Hoyas -2.
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Post by hoyapac on Mar 8, 2017 16:56:11 GMT -5
Ya gotta be all over The Hoyas -2. Got it at -1 earlier. Pretty jazzed about it.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 8, 2017 17:25:42 GMT -5
I was at the #1 Gtown vs. #2 DePaul game (that's national ranking). We crushed them at the Cap Center on CBS, I believe. Now the two teams are the bottom two in the NBE- go figure.
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