the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 21, 2006 17:25:29 GMT -5
I think he did an okay job, for Packer during a Duke game. He tought JJ was fouled at the end, but then he kind of backtracked. It was funny when packer kept referring to Jeff Green's height like "you know, I think Jeff Green is taller than Shelden Williams. He's got Shelden by at least a half-inch". Then another time, Packer was like, "Jeff Green is all 6'9"." It was funny. My favorite quote from Packer was "You know, I think Mike Krazooski and the Duke players are starting to realize they are playing a team, that THINKS that they can beat them." Lunquist is shameful. When JJ hit that one 3, Lunquist said "BEAUTIFUL!!!". How disgusting! Show some objectivity.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jan 21, 2006 17:33:25 GMT -5
overall - it could have been much worse - what is funny is that CBS gave no props to JG at the beginning and he turned out to be the biggest force all-around for that game. They were almost surprised that Roy didnt get that many mins - even though he has those games sometimes
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BurgerMadness
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Post by BurgerMadness on Jan 21, 2006 17:35:50 GMT -5
Not surprised by the passover of JG. He rarely asserts himself in games and has not had a huge game this year to date.
I wished that Roy had tried to dribble drive to the hoop just once to see it.
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Post by theEDGEfactor on Jan 21, 2006 17:38:05 GMT -5
BILLY PACKER VS. DUKE VITALE? billy wins in a landslide
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Post by fmrhoya on Jan 21, 2006 17:42:06 GMT -5
the cbs crew was quite fair. Georgetown played an fantastic game and should be very proud of themselves. But the officiating was horrible. Redick, Paulus, Williams and #15 (Dockery?) got killed driving the lane in the last 10 minutes and it was not called, which in most cases led to easy buckets for the hoyas. This game is the many in a long line of Duke not getting all the calls as the Duke haters will have you believe. In fact poor officiating has probably cost them 2 national titles ('04 Final Four vs. UCONN and '98 Elite 8 vs. Kentucky)
I am a Gtown alum and a lifelong Duke fan (especially with Paulus there) But nevertheless this was a GREAT georgetown effort and I am happy to see that they are back on the road to prominence once again
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TigerHoya
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Post by TigerHoya on Jan 21, 2006 17:49:32 GMT -5
Duke gets the calls in conference games more than anywhere else.
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Post by ][-][ 0 `/ /-\ 5 on Jan 21, 2006 17:51:45 GMT -5
the cbs crew was quite fair. Georgetown played an fantastic game and should be very proud of themselves. But the officiating was horrible. Redick, Paulus, Williams and #15 (Dockery?) got killed driving the lane in the last 10 minutes and it was not called, which in most cases led to easy buckets for the hoyas. This game is the many in a long line of Duke not getting all the calls as the Duke haters will have you believe. In fact poor officiating has probably cost them 2 national titles ('04 Final Four vs. UCONN and '98 Elite 8 vs. Kentucky) I am a Gtown alum and a lifelong Duke fan (especially with Paulus there) But nevertheless this was a GREAT georgetown effort and I am happy to see that they are back on the road to prominence once again lucky offciating for us? I dunno late in the game redick and paulus got 3 point plays consecutively but the next play bobo was fouled and they didn't call it. And there were some very ticky-tacky fouls on us against redick. By no means would I say we really got favored by the officials. Take the damn loss and don't blame it on the officials.
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Post by Jamaica We Have a Bobsled Team on Jan 21, 2006 17:52:10 GMT -5
fmrhoya, are you a Paulus brother or sister?
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Post by fmrhoya on Jan 21, 2006 17:57:13 GMT -5
no i was on the football team with 3 of the Paulus brothers, they are all great guys and I am rooting for Greg to do very well.
I am not bitter over the loss but JJ Redick is not the type of player who just loses the ball on his way up to the rim more than once in a 40 second span without it resulting from contact. The official who was on the baseline blew at least 5 calls in the last 10 mintues. Still, great job by gtown today and i would put this loss on coach k for not getting in a zone when gtown was successful getting points in the paint
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Post by KennaHoya on Jan 21, 2006 18:10:16 GMT -5
The officials clearly were not the reason Duke lost - the game was not called for the home team, nor was it horrible. Redick was terrific, but to assume he was fouled because he lost the ball or missed a shot just confirms what most people say - Dookies have gotten used to getting the calls.
We were there - on the baseline - from a Duke perspective, they got as many calls as they did not get.
Given how little Duke got from every other player besides Redick, there should be no excuses (and Coach K reflected this in his comments).
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 21, 2006 18:19:52 GMT -5
The officials clearly were not the reason Duke lost - the game was not called for the home team, nor was it horrible. . Totally agree with that. One might go so far as to say that DUKE was LUCKY they didn't face a "homer" oriented ref crew. As for Billy Packer... IMHO he did a really good job and gave lots of love to Jeff and the Hoyas. I did not see the pre-game open, so can't comment. But the comment early on that GU clearly believes they can BEAT this team, and frequent comments about GU's athletic and quickness edge, were right on. For a guy with an ACC bias, he did a very good job. And what about this...how many times did GU throw "the bomb" on the outlet pass.... and we kept hitting it?!?! Where was DUKE on those? I can see hitting one or even two, but Coach K never adjusted -- or his kids didn't. But Give JT3 TONS of credit... with our slow down, methodical offense, he didn't "Play safe". He WENT For it! The equivalent of skipping the "prevent defense" and opting for an all-out BLITZ instead. GREAT coaching by JT3 and staff. Man, are we lucky that he came home to GU to bring us back.
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Post by fmrhoya on Jan 21, 2006 18:20:47 GMT -5
it was not the quantity of calls that they did not get but the importance of the ones they missed. The most notable of which was duke being down 4 with I believe just under 2 to go. Redick is definately fouled driving the lane and it is missed (again by the baseline official) the missed call leads to a fast break and an easy 2 for Georgetown which pushed the lead to 6. That was the critical play of the game.
On another note was Williams either sick or hurt today? He certainly played hard, but he seemed to be missing something. i am not taking anything away from the fantastic game that gtown played today, it might swing them from the NIT to the NCAA (depending on how they do in conference play). To be clear, I'm not saying it was a fix or a homejob, but fouls that should be called in the closing minutes of a competitive Division 1 basketball game were not and in multiple cases where they were missed it was a 4 point swing in the action. The one time out of 20 that gtown wins that game was today, and thats all that counts. congrats to the team and the students.
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Hoya50
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Post by Hoya50 on Jan 21, 2006 18:25:14 GMT -5
this game was called fairly evenly. if you want to nitpick, i counted 3 times williams took steps and the hoyas didn't get the call. how about the no-call when williams ran over green down low in the first half which led to a duke fast break? cmon, don't spoil a well played game by both teams for supposed missed calls.
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Post by fmrhoya on Jan 21, 2006 18:25:19 GMT -5
sir saxa, youre totally right about duke's lack of defensive adjustments. Although i was annoyed with the officiating, this is what did them in today. Duke has better basketball players, but gtowns athleticism matches up well with anyone. You press when you have far superior athletes. If they got in a zone they could have kept williams as an inside presence instead of being 30 feet from the hoop covering someone. that was a great job by JT3 to keep him from being a factor on D. they should have forced the hoyas to beat them by making jumpshots and played right into their hands by pressing and playing a tight man to man which led to numerous easy buckets
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Hoya50
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Post by Hoya50 on Jan 21, 2006 18:32:05 GMT -5
another thing - i've probably seen at least 100 duke games on tv plus a couple games live. you can be you sweet hoo haa that if coach k has a problem with the officiating, he will yell, stomp and turn red in anger. i didn't see any of that this afternoon.
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Post by ][-][ 0 `/ /-\ 5 on Jan 21, 2006 18:33:06 GMT -5
The officials clearly were not the reason Duke lost - the game was not called for the home team, nor was it horrible. . Totally agree with that. One might go so far as to say that DUKE was LUCKY they didn't face a "homer" oriented ref crew. As for Billy Packer... IMHO he did a really good job and gave lots of love to Jeff and the Hoyas. I did not see the pre-game open, so can't comment. But the comment early on that GU clearly believes they can BEAT this team, and frequent comments about GU's athletic and quickness edge, were right on. For a guy with an ACC bias, he did a very good job. And what about this...how many times did GU throw "the bomb" on the outlet pass.... and we kept hitting it?!?! Where was DUKE on those? I can see hitting one or even two, but Coach K never adjusted -- or his kids didn't. But Give JT3 TONS of credit... with our slow down, methodical offense, he didn't "Play safe". He WENT For it! The equivalent of skipping the "prevent defense" and opting for an all-out BLITZ instead. GREAT coaching by JT3 and staff. Man, are we lucky that he came home to GU to bring us back. Yea that bomb was one where you went, "What the @#$% are they doing? Oh wait... NICE PLAY!! don;t do it again." Kinda like ashanti's signature jumper. Anyways this was great as were the significant amount of backdoor cuts.
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Post by fsohoya on Jan 21, 2006 18:33:37 GMT -5
Puh-lease! There is no way Duke got rooked on calls! No way! I saw our guys getting hammered under the basket several times and the fouls weren't called. The fact of the matter is the #1 team in the country tends to get the benefit of the doubt on calls because refs assume they are playing clean. And don't give me we only win one of 20 against Duke -- they didn't even have an answer for the full-court pass, much less the Princeton offense.
Here's another dose of reality: Take away Redick and Duke is a good, but far from great, team. And give the Hoyas the credit Coach K did and admit Duke lost to a team that deserved to win!
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Post by RDF on Jan 21, 2006 18:40:53 GMT -5
I thought Packer was outstanding today and was what I like in an announcer--unbiased. He credited plays/players on both teams, question poor decisions on both teams, and basically if you were NOT a Hoya fan, it sounded to me like a GU slanted telecast from Packer's perspective--but nothing remotely close to what Vitale and Patrick do for Duke. Sure didn't hurt the program today and him singing praises of III and Kids was outstanding, talking up the schedule/toughness of it, and just calling game was nice to hear and I'll take Packer any day over Vitale--even if we win--because he'd be talking about Redick's game instead of the game--which was a well played, great college basketball game. Redick was outstanding but Vitale would've focused on that and not the game.
As for the lack of calls--it's because Dockery, Paulus and Redick would drive and often fall down--for instance Hibbert never fouled Redick and was called so that evens out. Shelden Williams wasn't sick--he was playing a better player--which Jeff Green is and will prove in the future when they are playing at the Pro Level.
Duke is likely a Final 4 team and possible Champion but they were outplayed today and to me are far from most talented team--that is UConn--but as is case with most to all ACC bigs not named Tim Duncan, the big people in that league are overrated because they don't face physical defense and on a consistent basis as you do in Big East.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 21, 2006 20:05:59 GMT -5
Great post (the one about Coach K turning red), Hoya50! You nailed it.
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Post by nychoya3 on Jan 21, 2006 20:12:11 GMT -5
Watching the replay, I did like it when Paulus threw it away and they showed K asking "What the F***?" They cut away quickly, and I think Packer said that they weren't going to try and answer the question that K just asked. That's comedy folks.
I'm a Rafferty fan, personally, but Packer's okay too. Better than most.
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