TigerHoya
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Post by TigerHoya on Jan 21, 2006 20:16:58 GMT -5
Just never listen to Packer's son who hosts Primetime with the Packman out of Charlotte (it's syndicated a few places in NC/SC).... he's just awful.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 21, 2006 21:33:56 GMT -5
Man, we got Duke fans in here arguing about calls!!?? Ha! Ha!! ;D That is funny. Even your Coach "K" admitted we outplayed them and gave us credit.
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RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Jan 21, 2006 22:46:43 GMT -5
To say that Duke got the shaft from the refs is ridiculous. I had a better seat than anyone to see the calls at one end of the stadium, the end that Georgetown was defending in the second half where the alleged miscalls occured.
I'd say that over the course of the day, Georgetown did get some calls that could have gone either way, and some no-calls. However, Duke got AT LEAST as many, probably more. There were times when they were calling Hoya fouls when there was absolutely nothing doing. They called that foul on DJ when DJ did NOTHING, he was simply hooked/elbowed by Redick. Redick was sent to the line way more times than he should have been, which is particularly bad because the guys money from the stripe.
Also, Sheldon Williams should have had 4 fouls in the first half, nevermind the whole game. There were plays when Jeff got molested and still converted down low. I had heard that Williams was a "foul-machine" and honestly I thought he looked like it today.
It's funny to see someone say Duke got screwed by the refs, because for most of the game I was thinking DAMN, Duke really DOES get almost all of the calls. I was hollering at the refs at half to call them both ways. But at the end, they let them play, for the most part. I've always said being a basketball referee is a really, really tough job, and that you have to hope that over the course of the game, the bad calls cancel out. I think today, it was pretty close to true. But I definitely, definitely, DEFINITELY don't think anyone can say that the refs robbed Duke at the end of the game. No way.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 21, 2006 23:03:53 GMT -5
PLEASE ABOUT THE CALLS .....THERE WERE A FEW OBVIOUJS ONES THE HOYAS DIDNOT GET ...AND JJREDDICK IS SPECTACULAR... BUT DOES HE EVER GET CALLED FOR THE CLEAROUT WITH HIS FREAKING LEFT ARM...WHICH HE DOES ON EVERY PLAY... DRIVE OR THREE PLEASEEEEEEEEEE ... TELL ME THEY COULNT CALL THAT EVERY TIME ....AND DONT DO IT ONCE.. GO HOYAS .... ???BEAT ND
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Post by GUMBA on Jan 21, 2006 23:15:10 GMT -5
If they had really called it close then Williams would have fouled out with 10 minutes to go. He mugged Jeff on the baseline and tried to bump him several times up at the top of the key. Total phantom call on Roy when Redick slipped. Dockery fell and the no call was legit despite the protests from the Duke bench. They let them play, which I prefer, and it is cheap to say Duke shouda coulda with a couple of calls at the end. The Hoyas gave them the lay ups down the stretch. With better free throw shooting and in bounds passing they could've won by 10.
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Post by Hoya50 on Jan 21, 2006 23:15:19 GMT -5
thanks pr. i've always liked packer. sure, sometimes he is so smug that you want to mute the tv. but overall, he has a vast knowledge of college bball and has an innate ability to summarize a situation.
btw, does anyone remember when packer described iverson as being like a "monkey" in reference to his ability to get in the lane? funny stuff. i have that game on tape somewhere.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 21, 2006 23:47:26 GMT -5
the cbs crew was quite fair. Georgetown played an fantastic game and should be very proud of themselves. But the officiating was horrible. Redick, Paulus, Williams and #15 (Dockery?) got killed driving the lane in the last 10 minutes and it was not called, which in most cases led to easy buckets for the hoyas. This game is the many in a long line of Duke not getting all the calls as the Duke haters will have you believe. In fact poor officiating has probably cost them 2 national titles ('04 Final Four vs. UCONN and '98 Elite 8 vs. Kentucky) I am a Gtown alum and a lifelong Duke fan (especially with Paulus there) But nevertheless this was a GREAT georgetown effort and I am happy to see that they are back on the road to prominence once again I thought this was a parody post at first. It is just embarassing. A Duke fan whining about officiating is like Bill Gates complaining he got shorted two cents on his change. The game was called very fair and loose, like the Big East, the tournament and the NBA; actually anywhere except the pansy-ass ACC. There wasn't a foul committed by GU down the stretch that wasn't call (though there was some earlier), and I don't see you complaining about how Dockery flopped on Ashanti's "offensive foul" or how Sheldon tackled Brandon out of bounds in the first half. How about Redick's arm hook that was called on the stationary defense? How about the fact that neither Redick nor Paulus can dribble without pushing off?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 21, 2006 23:48:29 GMT -5
no i was on the football team with 3 of the Paulus brothers, they are all great guys and I am rooting for Greg to do very well. I am not bitter over the loss but JJ Redick is not the type of player who just loses the ball on his way up to the rim more than once in a 40 second span without it resulting from contact. The official who was on the baseline blew at least 5 calls in the last 10 mintues. Still, great job by gtown today and i would put this loss on coach k for not getting in a zone when gtown was successful getting points in the paint Ahhh, the Duke is so good it must have been a foul argument. Dude, you are embarassing. Please renounce your diploma, whiner.
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Post by Highsmith on Jan 22, 2006 9:45:17 GMT -5
I usually hate Billy Packer....he seems to get really upset over things that either didn't happen or happened differently than he saw them. That being said, he bothered me much less than usual in this game. Once the disgusting intro was over, it acutally became apparent who Duke was playing.......then things just kept getting better!
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 22, 2006 10:14:45 GMT -5
the cbs crew was quite fair. Georgetown played an fantastic game and should be very proud of themselves. But the officiating was horrible. Redick, Paulus, Williams and #15 (Dockery?) got killed driving the lane in the last 10 minutes and it was not called, which in most cases led to easy buckets for the hoyas. This game is the many in a long line of Duke not getting all the calls as the Duke haters will have you believe. In fact poor officiating has probably cost them 2 national titles ('04 Final Four vs. UCONN and '98 Elite 8 vs. Kentucky) I am a Gtown alum and a lifelong Duke fan (especially with Paulus there) But nevertheless this was a GREAT georgetown effort and I am happy to see that they are back on the road to prominence once again Ah, everything's pretty much been said, stop whining about the refs, I can't believe you would even say that poor officiating may have cost you 2 national championships. For God's sake, man up. Also, how are you a lifelong Duke fan if you went to Georgetown? I was a lifelong Stanford fan before I came here, but once I got to the Hilltop, I traded my allegiances and gave my heart and soul to this school. Why? Because I GO to the school. I'm surprised nobody else has called him out on that.
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Post by RDF on Jan 22, 2006 11:07:21 GMT -5
To be honest guys--I think Packer is and always has been one of the best--it is a big game when he's calling it and my take could be simply because I grew up with him calling majority of Hoya games on CBS and he's always been more than fare to GU--if you catch any Classic games he's called--he'll always come off as he does now--loves the sport of College Basketball and loves great competition--will call out good/bad plays no matter who makes them. I'd put him behind Bill Raftery because he called the majority of Hoya games-period--he and Len Berman and then Mike Gorman for majority of my youth. I think Billy really helped the program with some commentary that was not blatant--just things about how well coached the team was, how well prepared, and one note I caught is that he was allowed to watch practice--with Verne Lundquist and very few media people have ever gotten that access to Hoyas. Pops stood up for Billy too when that Iverson comment "tough monkey" could've been blown out of context, and I'll admit that him calling game was another perk of playing Duke on CBS--it's THE game when he's calling it and that network is CBB in my opinion--they've always loved the sport and do a fine job with it--with Lundquist and Raf's Duke lovefest a minor glitch in '04 Regional Final.
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Post by FrostbackHoya on Jan 22, 2006 11:14:57 GMT -5
1. FmrHoya -- seriously, you can't possibly Duke lost b/c of the officials. They lost b/c they had NO offense outside of Reddick. If anything, it was as close as it was b/c the Blue Devils were able to get to the line so much in the last 10 minutes of the game.
2. I thought Packer to a great job of analyzing our break of the 'hedge' double-team (e.g., showing how Ashanti did it twice, the second time drawing the foul) and how that led to some easy cuts to the basket.
3. I also thought Packer's analysis of our D on JJ, and how we stifled him somewhat when we had a taller guy on him (BoBo or Owens), but got cut to shreds when Cook or Wallace had to guard him was astute.
4. His props for Green probably got JG the player of the game award. You could easily have gone with Wallace, but I think it was the right call.
5. Random thought: The ghost of DayJack was exorcised yesterday! It seemed like EVERY time we had a difficult layup (JW spin, JG reverse under the basket, BB reverse dunk, etc.) it WENT IN. We did get a few blocked, but if it went above the cylinder, it went down.
6. Our inside D caused at least 3-4 misses in close, even if they weren't blocked. Awesome!
7. We are a BIG team! When we put our bigs out there, Packer was just salivating -- saying Coach K just couldn't match up, McRoberts is going to get schooled (which he did), and that Duke would have to go zone to protect Williams (which they did). Great matchup by JTIII to go big, good analysis by Packer of the result.
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 22, 2006 11:23:17 GMT -5
Dear Fmrhoya,
Please find a new screen name. You are not allowed to use the word Hoya in yours, since you are not a Hoya. No Hoya would root against the Hoyas.
Thank you, TBird41
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 22, 2006 11:32:26 GMT -5
On the officiating, it seemed to me that every time anyone touched JJ during the last part of the game a foul was called on the Hoyas. Most of the time during that period the foul shots he took (and made) were the result of picky fouls.
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Post by NickSixers on Jan 22, 2006 12:08:53 GMT -5
If anything didn't get called, it was Duke's constant pushing off with the off-ball hand when they are on offense. Redick, Paulus, and Dockery pushed off constantly when dribbling, and it was never called. It did seem that anytime Redick was touched it was called in the 2nd half. But I can't complain about officiating, we won.
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Post by jackdog74 on Jan 22, 2006 12:47:51 GMT -5
PLEASE ABOUT THE CALLS .....THERE WERE A FEW OBVIOUJS ONES THE HOYAS DIDNOT GET ...AND JJREDDICK IS SPECTACULAR... BUT DOES HE EVER GET CALLED FOR THE CLEAROUT WITH HIS FREAKING LEFT ARM...WHICH HE DOES ON EVERY PLAY... DRIVE OR THREE PLEASEEEEEEEEEE ... TELL ME THEY COULNT CALL THAT EVERY TIME ....AND DONT DO IT ONCE.. GO HOYAS .... ???BEAT ND THANK YOU!!!!!!!! Watching the first half he cleared out with his arm before just about every single shot!!! Even when we were up in the first half I called my buddy at the game and complained about that. If the refs actually called that on Redick, HE would have had four fouls before the second half. Duke fans arguing about poor officiating. In the words of Alannis Morrisette (sp?), "A little bit ironic, don't you think? A little toooooo ironic, yes I really do think!"
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Post by guru on Jan 22, 2006 12:50:06 GMT -5
Fmrhoya,
First off: Mod note: Keep the disagreements on basketball terms, not in the personal attacks realm please.
Redick is a great player, but he throws his elbows around when he's handling the ball more than any player I've ever seen. Even so, the only foul he had called against him was when he tackled Jeff Green at half court. And the strip you refer to was when Sapp took the ball from him as he was driving to the hoop. The steal was cleaner than a military barracks toilet. Though I do appreciate the comedy in the puppy love factor that makes you write that "JJ Redick is not the type of player who just loses the ball on his way up to the rim more than once in a 40 second span without it resulting from contact," you should really know not to bring that weak ass crap in here today. Not the day after the Hoyas BEAT the Blue Devils, straight up.
Get lost.
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Post by burghoya on Jan 22, 2006 12:50:43 GMT -5
1) There were some calls that didn't get called in the final 5-10 minutes. It happens. This is basketball, not football. There's no replay, flag tossing, that goes on so live with it. 2) Duke lost on their own. As coach K pointed out, you can't have JJ Reddick play the game by himself and that's what happened. Duke was down by DOUBLE DIGITS, which hasn't happened to them all season. Georgetown was the better team yesterday and it showed in both the game and the scoreboard. 3) I will take Billy Packard any day of the week over Dick "I sold my soul to Mike Krzyzewski" Vitale. From what I saw of the game, the coverage was ballanced. I believe there is a certain amount of favortism towards Duke in the media, but I totally respect Packer as one of the greats. Plus he's twenty times better than some of the other clowns I've heard do comentary throughout the season, IE Steve Lavin during the Illinois game and his constant comments about Roy Hibbert being a Christmas Tree.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 22, 2006 13:56:57 GMT -5
I thought Lundquist and Packer were very good. Oh, sometimes Vern gets a bit flowery (beautiful!) and the pre-game montage was a bit one-sided, but he got real excited, not fake Vitale excited, when exciting things happened, and aside from Packer's "JJ was fouled" sequence, he was pretty darn good.
Aside from Patrick and Vitale, I can take pretty much any one of the major announcing teams.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Jan 22, 2006 14:11:54 GMT -5
I thought Lundquist and Packer were very good. Oh, sometimes Vern gets a bit flowery (beautiful!) and the pre-game montage was a bit one-sided, but he got real excited, not fake Vitale excited, when exciting things happened, and aside from Packer's "JJ was fouled" sequence, he was pretty darn good. Aside from Patrick and Vitale, I can take pretty much any one of the major announcing teams. I agree -- I thought they were both very good and very fair. While the reference to Redick's bomb as "beautiful" may be bit much, Verne was equally as excited the next play -- the Wallace acrobatic reverse layup. They both seemed to really appreciate what a great college basketball game it was and their coverage added to my enjoyment of the game (if you can call it that until it was over!)
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