hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 2, 2024 15:42:54 GMT -5
Sorry if this has been posted before, but it's sad that if Georgetown had made the effort, it likely could have hired either Dan Hurley or Kevin Keatts in 2017 ... Hurley's people definitely were throwing his name out there and I don't seem to recall that Keatts was one of the many that proactively turned down the job (before an offer made/interview happened). Keatts not quite the slam dunk HOF coach that Hurley is ... but given what we've seen over the last seven years, he likely would not have been fired ... and maybe would have had his odds defying run at Georgetown. On Hurley, I 100% agree Georgetown should have absolutely interviewed him at minimum. There is no way that John Thompson was going to allow that to happen, which is in part why it did not happen, and I lay blame for that on DeGioia. DeGioia had a lot of respect for John Thompson and a long history with him. There's nothing wrong with that, of course, but when it came to making decisions in the best interest of the program, I think DeGioia failed miserably on that score in 2017. As far as Keatts, I do know a lot of people here wanted him in 2017. But let's slow our roll. This is another illustration of how the NCAA tournament really warps views of reality. There is absolutely no doubt that Keatts has had a spectacular ACC tournament and NCAA tournament, and I give him all the credit for that. But, before this run, there was talk of Keatts being on the hot seat. Keatts has been at best an okay coach at NC state. His teams, starting in 2018, have been ranked 46, 41, 50, 71, 128, 52, and 43 this year (much of that due to the recent run). So basically, aside from 2022, Keatts has had his teams being not horrible but outside the bubble for the most part. Only two tournament appearances in 7 seasons. I am glad for him and his success. I just think if Georgetown hired Keatts, and in his first 5 seasons he did not make the tournament, fans would have been extremely displeased. And unlike Ewing, Keatts would have been good enough to avoid being fired. Why do you call Keatts "at best an okay coach" while continually arguing that Ed Cooley is a very good coach? During those seasons that you mention, Keatts teams have had an average KenPom rating of 61.5 and Cooley teams have had an average KenPom rating of 76.6. If Keatts is "at best an okay coach", what is Cooley?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 2, 2024 17:04:25 GMT -5
Why do you call Keatts "at best an okay coach" while continually arguing that Ed Cooley is a very good coach? During those seasons that you mention, Keatts teams have had an average KenPom rating of 61.5 and Cooley teams have had an average KenPom rating of 76.6. If Keatts is "at best an okay coach", what is Cooley? I am not sure whether I ever stated that Ed Cooley was a "very good" coach but I may very well have said that before this season. I did think he was a very good coach. This past season has me a little skeptical, but I am still confident he'll do much better than last season. At Providence, Ed Cooley made the tournament 7 times (and 8 if COVID didn't happen). He had a winning record in the Big East 8 out of 12 seasons. Keatts, in 7 seasons at NC State has had a winning conference record three times. Before this year, he made the tournament twice. He made it this year because of the autobid. They might have made it in 2020 if COVID didn't happen, but if they did it would have been a bubble situation. While not as bad as this season, Keatts also had a season with a terrible defense in 2022, finishing with the 246th worst defense. So, it's not like his record is without warts. And that was in his 5th season coaching, not after taking over a program in the toilet. Cooley has also coached in the Big East while it has been a brutal conference, for the most part, in contrast to the ACC which has some good teams (but you generally only play them once a year) and some bad ones that are easier to beat. Would I still take Cooley over Keatts every time? Absolutely. I do think it is ironic that so many people wanted to drive off JT3 in 2017, I recall some saying it couldn't get worse, and yet, even with his couple of bad seasons at the end, his record is still better than many coaches. Lastly, don't bother with responding with "Coach A v. Coach B" comparisons meant to show that Keatts or others are better than Cooley. We can cherry-pick data all day long, and it doesn't change the facts. I get the fact that you really think Cooley is a really bad coach without the Coach A v. Coach B comparisons and all that.
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astrohoya
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Post by astrohoya on Apr 2, 2024 18:31:16 GMT -5
Why do you call Keatts "at best an okay coach" while continually arguing that Ed Cooley is a very good coach? During those seasons that you mention, Keatts teams have had an average KenPom rating of 61.5 and Cooley teams have had an average KenPom rating of 76.6. If Keatts is "at best an okay coach", what is Cooley? I am not sure whether I ever stated that Ed Cooley was a "very good" coach but I may very well have said that before this season. I did think he was a very good coach. This past season has me a little skeptical, but I am still confident he'll do much better than last season. At Providence, Ed Cooley made the tournament 7 times (and 8 if COVID didn't happen). He had a winning record in the Big East 8 out of 12 seasons. Keatts, in 7 seasons at NC State has had a winning conference record three times. Before this year, he made the tournament twice. He made it this year because of the autobid. They might have made it in 2020 if COVID didn't happen, but if they did it would have been a bubble situation. While not as bad as this season, Keatts also had a season with a terrible defense in 2022, finishing with the 246th worst defense. So, it's not like his record is without warts. And that was in his 5th season coaching, not after taking over a program in the toilet. Cooley has also coached in the Big East while it has been a brutal conference, for the most part, in contrast to the ACC which has some good teams (but you generally only play them once a year) and some bad ones that are easier to beat. Would I still take Cooley over Keatts every time? Absolutely. I do think it is ironic that so many people wanted to drive off JT3 in 2017, I recall some saying it couldn't get worse, and yet, even with his couple of bad seasons at the end, his record is still better than many coaches. Lastly, don't bother with responding with "Coach A v. Coach B" comparisons meant to show that Keatts or others are better than Cooley. We can cherry-pick data all day long, and it doesn't change the facts. I get the fact that you really think Cooley is a really bad coach without the Coach A v. Coach B comparisons and all that. I’d also add the Cooley average includes His year at GTown, which was way below his average. As has been discussed af nauseum elsewhere, either this year was a result Of where we started and if we improve, in which case Cooley is cclearly better than Keatts in terms of ranking. Or we don’t in which case Cooley is a failure. As usual for boys, the starts are stacked against Cooley. Keatts is on a fluke run. Cooley will succeed or fail based on what is to come: That said Keatts would have been a better hire than Patrick Ewing. As would most anybody.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 2, 2024 18:40:06 GMT -5
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 2, 2024 22:53:06 GMT -5
NC State's rise from the grave has given me optimism for the future of GT. Living in the state, I witnessed firsthand how godforsaken that program had become. Their last Elite 8 was in the middle of the Reagan administration, yet the utterly delusional fanbase continuously measured themselves against UNC/Duke who combined for 9 championships since then. I honestly expected a Browns Super Bowl appearance before an NCSU F4. On a related note, I remember vague mentions of Kevin Keatts in the GT coaching search last year. It was probably just internet speculation, but now I feel a little foolish for laughing so hard at it. His coaching has been outstanding this postseason. Welcome to Hoyatalk, and I love your moniker. My favorite character from Godfather II.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 3, 2024 9:12:11 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 3, 2024 19:09:26 GMT -5
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DanMcQ
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hoyas315
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Post by kettlehill on Apr 6, 2024 21:43:53 GMT -5
Cam Spencer the rebounder? Wow. the guy wants it.
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3xhoya
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Post by 3xhoya on Apr 6, 2024 22:13:39 GMT -5
So was Danny Hurley available when we hired Ewing in 2017? I remember begging for us to consider him but the Thompson family was a bigger priority to the entire Georgetown community.
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CTHoya08
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Post by CTHoya08 on Apr 7, 2024 6:01:31 GMT -5
Yes, he was.
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