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Post by EtomicB on Apr 1, 2024 11:31:12 GMT -5
That a coach in his early 30s is still on the learning curve should be expected by everyone even if the name Duke is on the front of the jersey. Jury is still out on Scheyer. There’s a bit of controversy with that pick as the Duke search Committee wanted Tommy Amaker, but Coach K blocked it and put Scheyer in as his successor. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33294918/mike-krzyzewski-book-says-duke-wanted-tommy-amaker-wanted-jon-scheyerBiggest knock on Scheyer is he doesn’t have any head coaching experience at any level before the Duke job. So hard to assess his leadership. There are a lot of coaches under the coach K coaching tree that have head coaching experience (Snyder, Amaker, capall, wojo, etc) so Scheyer was an interesting pick. Duke just lost an Elite-8 game and you're posting an article from over 2 years ago as evidence the coach still has questions about him.. We'd all love to have these types of discussions about Gtown
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 1, 2024 12:32:50 GMT -5
If Duke played Alabama, Tennessee, Clemson, or Illinois on Saturday, they're in the Final Four, but they fell victim to the hurdle of playing an in-conference opponent who knew them inside and out (See Elite 8 1987, Georgetown vs. Providence). That's less a knock on Scheyer and more a recognition that conference opponents are tougher. If UConn had an early round rematch with St. John's, it wouldn't be a 30 point win.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 1, 2024 12:33:51 GMT -5
Tommy Amaker would have made no sense for Duke. He's now been at Harvard since 2007-2008, and except for that stint between 2012 and 2015 when he had pretty good Harvard teams and made the tournament, his teams have gotten much worse, particularly in the last three years. He also hasn't recruited at the level that Duke needs to recruit at for a very long time. He never made the tournament at Michigan, and he only made the tournament once while coaching Seton Hall. I agree it's hard to assess his experience, but I think Scheyer was a very logical pick even if he was an untested one. Keep in mind this is different than hiring an up and comer type out of the blue, as Scheyer was with the program and essentially inherited an entire program from Coach K. The odds of somebody like Scheyer succeeding in that situation are much greater than if you just hire random assistant to coach at a program he's never been at before. The real problem with the Coach K coaching tree is that most, if not all of the guys you mentioned haven't had a ton of success in their head coaching jobs, and so the case for hiring them was pretty weak. If you wanted to hire someone within the program, then Scheyer was as good a choice as any. And the guy made an Elite 8 in Year 2 of his coaching. I'd say that's a pretty good start. Timing is often everything with these hires. Because Roy Williams was unavailable they kept it in the famiglia when UNC hired Matt Dohrety who only had a couple promising seasons at Notre Dame but was still considered inexperienced. Dohretys tenure at UNC ended up being a debacle. III had a successful head coaching run at Princeton. I think if we didn’t go after him then he would have gone to another school and have been unavailable for 7-10 years. So if Pops did push Escherick out like K blocked Amaker in our case it was probably the right move. You see it now with Indiana. Mike Woodson is a lame duck coach and a lot of supporters wanted him gone so they could get Bobby Knight/IU disciple Dusty May. But IU didn’t pull the trigger and dusty May is now at Michigan for the next 7-10 years. And likely would not move over to rival Indiana after that. So IU lost out on home grown Dusty May who along with Chris Beard are Bobby Knights best coaches. btownbanners.com/topic/14310-fire-coach-woodson/I think what Duke should have done is hire Amaker and have Scheyer get head coaching experience at a mid major. If Amaker succeeeds great, if he doesn’t then you have a scheyer ready to take over assuming a successful mid major head coaching pit stop. Even if both succeed, scheyer could’ve still taken the reigns further down the road since he’s much younger. Part of the Calucus May be that coach k still wants control of the program and to coach from the side and this would be easier with an inexperienced guy with no head coaching experience like Scheyer. Especially now that Scheyer has coached a couple years, I see no basis for saying Amaker would have been the better choice (nor do I think it made sense at the time, either). People do not realize that Coach K did not leave much of a roster behind. Five guys from the last Coach K team became pros, plus a transfer and a few graduations. Because Scheyer was essentially a coach in waiting, he was able to recruit--but all of the recruits knew Scheyer, and not Coach K, would be the coach and yet he still pulled in one of the best recruting classes. That team made the tournament and did well in the ACC. And you can criticize them for underperforming this year a bit, but they just made the Elite 8. It is really hard to argue Amaker--who never made an Elite 8 despite coaching at Michigan and Seton Hall--would have been a better choice. We can agree to disagree here.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 1, 2024 12:43:08 GMT -5
If Duke played Alabama, Tennessee, Clemson, or Illinois on Saturday, they're in the Final Four, but they fell victim to the hurdle of playing an in-conference opponent who knew them inside and out (See Elite 8 1987, Georgetown vs. Providence). That's less a knock on Scheyer and more a recognition that conference opponents are tougher. If UConn had an early round rematch with St. John's, it wouldn't be a 30 point win. Doesn’t Duke know NC St inside and out? Why didn’t that knowledge matter as much for Duke as it did for State?
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 1, 2024 13:12:27 GMT -5
If Duke played Alabama, Tennessee, Clemson, or Illinois on Saturday, they're in the Final Four, but they fell victim to the hurdle of playing an in-conference opponent who knew them inside and out (See Elite 8 1987, Georgetown vs. Providence). That's less a knock on Scheyer and more a recognition that conference opponents are tougher. If UConn had an early round rematch with St. John's, it wouldn't be a 30 point win. Doesn’t Duke know NC St inside and out? Why didn’t that knowledge matter as much for Duke as it did for State? They do but there's little to exploit on their end when Burns & Middlebrooks are winning the Bigs match-up
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 1, 2024 13:18:15 GMT -5
Timing is often everything with these hires. Because Roy Williams was unavailable they kept it in the famiglia when UNC hired Matt Dohrety who only had a couple promising seasons at Notre Dame but was still considered inexperienced. Dohretys tenure at UNC ended up being a debacle. III had a successful head coaching run at Princeton. I think if we didn’t go after him then he would have gone to another school and have been unavailable for 7-10 years. So if Pops did push Escherick out like K blocked Amaker in our case it was probably the right move. You see it now with Indiana. Mike Woodson is a lame duck coach and a lot of supporters wanted him gone so they could get Bobby Knight/IU disciple Dusty May. But IU didn’t pull the trigger and dusty May is now at Michigan for the next 7-10 years. And likely would not move over to rival Indiana after that. So IU lost out on home grown Dusty May who along with Chris Beard are Bobby Knights best coaches. btownbanners.com/topic/14310-fire-coach-woodson/I think what Duke should have done is hire Amaker and have Scheyer get head coaching experience at a mid major. If Amaker succeeeds great, if he doesn’t then you have a scheyer ready to take over assuming a successful mid major head coaching pit stop. Even if both succeed, scheyer could’ve still taken the reigns further down the road since he’s much younger. Part of the Calucus May be that coach k still wants control of the program and to coach from the side and this would be easier with an inexperienced guy with no head coaching experience like Scheyer. Especially now that Scheyer has coached a couple years, I see no basis for saying Amaker would have been the better choice (nor do I think it made sense at the time, either). People do not realize that Coach K did not leave much of a roster behind. Five guys from the last Coach K team became pros, plus a transfer and a few graduations. Because Scheyer was essentially a coach in waiting, he was able to recruit--but all of the recruits knew Scheyer, and not Coach K, would be the coach and yet he still pulled in one of the best recruting classes. That team made the tournament and did well in the ACC. And you can criticize them for underperforming this year a bit, but they just made the Elite 8. It is really hard to argue Amaker--who never made an Elite 8 despite coaching at Michigan and Seton Hall--would have been a better choice. We can agree to disagree here. They beat a 13 seed Vermont A 12 seed Jmu Barely beat a 1 seed Houston who was missing their starting point guard do to injury And lost to an 11 seed Nc state Y That’s about as easy a bracket as you will get and they still couldn’t get to the final four. As you said previously, luck has a lot to do with performance in thr tournament
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 1, 2024 15:32:10 GMT -5
Especially now that Scheyer has coached a couple years, I see no basis for saying Amaker would have been the better choice (nor do I think it made sense at the time, either). People do not realize that Coach K did not leave much of a roster behind. Five guys from the last Coach K team became pros, plus a transfer and a few graduations. Because Scheyer was essentially a coach in waiting, he was able to recruit--but all of the recruits knew Scheyer, and not Coach K, would be the coach and yet he still pulled in one of the best recruting classes. That team made the tournament and did well in the ACC. And you can criticize them for underperforming this year a bit, but they just made the Elite 8. It is really hard to argue Amaker--who never made an Elite 8 despite coaching at Michigan and Seton Hall--would have been a better choice. We can agree to disagree here. They beat a 13 seed Vermont A 12 seed Jmu Barely beat a 1 seed Houston who was missing their starting point guard do to injury And lost to an 11 seed Nc state Y That’s about as easy a bracket as you will get and they still couldn’t get to the final four. As you said previously, luck has a lot to do with performance in thr tournament Luck definitely has a lot to do with it. If Duke played a best of 7 series against NC State, would they win? Maybe. Houston? Much less likely. Also, keep in mind NC State would not have been in the tournament without the autobid. So they also had to get some unlikely wins in the ACC tournament to be here, too. Keatts lucked out. He very well could have been fired, and now instead he's a Final Four hero. That's part of what makes the tournament fun. Though I wish Georgetown could be on the "beats expectations" front one of these years (soon).
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 1, 2024 18:17:14 GMT -5
They beat a 13 seed Vermont A 12 seed Jmu Barely beat a 1 seed Houston who was missing their starting point guard do to injury And lost to an 11 seed Nc state Y That’s about as easy a bracket as you will get and they still couldn’t get to the final four. As you said previously, luck has a lot to do with performance in thr tournament Luck definitely has a lot to do with it. If Duke played a best of 7 series against NC State, would they win? Maybe. Houston? Much less likely. Also, keep in mind NC State would not have been in the tournament without the autobid. So they also had to get some unlikely wins in the ACC tournament to be here, too. Keatts lucked out. He very well could have been fired, and now instead he's a Final Four hero. That's part of what makes the tournament fun. Though I wish Georgetown could be on the "beats expectations" front one of these years (soon). NC State had to face Duke in what Amounts to two elimination games and won both. 2-0 vs Duke in Elimination games. I would argue that NC state has had the toughest road so far. Beat Duke Twice, UVA on a Hail Mary 3pt by o Connell to send it into overtime, and beating UNC and Marquette.
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 1, 2024 19:01:31 GMT -5
Luck definitely has a lot to do with it. If Duke played a best of 7 series against NC State, would they win? Maybe. Houston? Much less likely. Also, keep in mind NC State would not have been in the tournament without the autobid. So they also had to get some unlikely wins in the ACC tournament to be here, too. Keatts lucked out. He very well could have been fired, and now instead he's a Final Four hero. That's part of what makes the tournament fun. Though I wish Georgetown could be on the "beats expectations" front one of these years (soon). NC State had to face Duke in what Amounts to two elimination games and won both. 2-0 vs Duke in Elimination games. I would argue that NC state has had the toughest road so far. Beat Duke Twice, UVA on a Hail Mary 3pt by o Connell to send it into overtime, and beating UNC and Marquette. I have to agree with this. Also, while I don't see any reason to take issue with Scheyer at this point, I wonder if Quinn Snyder would have taken the job if approached. I'm guessing not, but who knows?
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 1, 2024 19:42:48 GMT -5
If Duke played Alabama, Tennessee, Clemson, or Illinois on Saturday, they're in the Final Four, but they fell victim to the hurdle of playing an in-conference opponent who knew them inside and out (See Elite 8 1987, Georgetown vs. Providence). That's less a knock on Scheyer and more a recognition that conference opponents are tougher. If UConn had an early round rematch with St. John's, it wouldn't be a 30 point win. The best example is Georgetown running into Vil… ah, forget it.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 1, 2024 19:43:36 GMT -5
NC State had to face Duke in what Amounts to two elimination games and won both. 2-0 vs Duke in Elimination games. I would argue that NC state has had the toughest road so far. Beat Duke Twice, UVA on a Hail Mary 3pt by o Connell to send it into overtime, and beating UNC and Marquette. I have to agree with this. Also, while I don't see any reason to take issue with Scheyer at this point, I wonder if Quinn Snyder would have taken the job if approached. I'm guessing not, but who knows? It’s in that same article where Coach K blocked Amaker for Scheyer: “• Krzyzewski's relationship with former assistant and current Utah Jazz coach Quin Snyder, including one Duke player who's quoted in the book as saying: "I saw tension between them. I think I saw jealousy from K to Quin. K snapped at Quin more than any coach or any player combined, and when he did it, it felt personal." • Reporting on how Snyder and fellow assistant Tim O'Toole helped persuade Krzyzewski to change his recruiting approach in the mid-1990s and attempt to sign players who didn't come from traditional Duke backgrounds.” www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33294918/mike-krzyzewski-book-says-duke-wanted-tommy-amaker-wanted-jon-scheyer
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Post by frankie5angels on Apr 1, 2024 23:05:54 GMT -5
NC State's rise from the grave has given me optimism for the future of GT. Living in the state, I witnessed firsthand how godforsaken that program had become. Their last Elite 8 was in the middle of the Reagan administration, yet the utterly delusional fanbase continuously measured themselves against UNC/Duke who combined for 9 championships since then. I honestly expected a Browns Super Bowl appearance before an NCSU F4.
On a related note, I remember vague mentions of Kevin Keatts in the GT coaching search last year. It was probably just internet speculation, but now I feel a little foolish for laughing so hard at it. His coaching has been outstanding this postseason.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 1, 2024 23:35:22 GMT -5
I have to agree with this. Also, while I don't see any reason to take issue with Scheyer at this point, I wonder if Quinn Snyder would have taken the job if approached. I'm guessing not, but who knows? It’s in that same article where Coach K blocked Amaker for Scheyer: “• Krzyzewski's relationship with former assistant and current Utah Jazz coach Quin Snyder, including one Duke player who's quoted in the book as saying: "I saw tension between them. I think I saw jealousy from K to Quin. K snapped at Quin more than any coach or any player combined, and when he did it, it felt personal." • Reporting on how Snyder and fellow assistant Tim O'Toole helped persuade Krzyzewski to change his recruiting approach in the mid-1990s and attempt to sign players who didn't come from traditional Duke backgrounds.” www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33294918/mike-krzyzewski-book-says-duke-wanted-tommy-amaker-wanted-jon-scheyerI hate Dook as much as the next Hoya and I always thought that Coach K was overrated as a head coach, but superb as a program manager. It's not hard to be good year after year if you have top recruiting classes year after year. After a decorated high school and college career at Duke, and a brief NBA and international career, Scheyer joined Duke's coaching staff in 2013 as a special assistant after assistant coach Chris Collins left the program and rose through the Duke coaching ranks after the departures of several assistant coaches until being promoted to co-associate head coach. In 2022, he officially became head coach. In his two yeas as head coach, Scheyer had the #2 recruiting class last year and has the #1 class coming in (with the #1 player); went to the Round of 32 in Year 1 and to the Final 8 in Year 2; and he won the ACC Tournament last year. As an assistant coach, Scheyer was part of the recruiting staff and looks like he has a similar recruiting philosophy as Coach K. I don't know how good he will be as head coach and program manager, but it looks like a great start. What will be interesting to see is how he manages recruiting with NIL$, the transfer portal, etc... Against NC St, Scheyer started three sophomores, one freshman and senior Roach, who has the COVID year left. Former McD AA & freshman Sean Stewart came from the bench to contribute 2 pts in 11 minutes. That's young to win a championship, but still talented. Former #23 recruit Caleb Foster missed the end of the season. He had no transfer portal players come in. Will he change that next year? Next year, Duke has the #1 ranked class coming in, including 4 5-stars and 2 4-stars. Who stays? Who goes? How much NIL$ would Flopowski and Roach get if they return vs NBA$? How much NIL$ do the #1 and #3-ranked recruits get/demand? Will there be enough NIL$ to go around? How will that team get old with all that talent coming in? PT will be difficult to find for the #8th to 11th players. Will they stay if Duke is short on NIL$ and pt?
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Post by practice on Apr 2, 2024 6:34:03 GMT -5
Sorry if this has been posted before, but it's sad that if Georgetown had made the effort, it likely could have hired either Dan Hurley or Kevin Keatts in 2017 ... Hurley's people definitely were throwing his name out there and I don't seem to recall that Keatts was one of the many that proactively turned down the job (before an offer made/interview happened). Keatts not quite the slam dunk HOF coach that Hurley is ... but given what we've seen over the last seven years, he likely would not have been fired ... and maybe would have had his odds defying run at Georgetown.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 2, 2024 10:15:27 GMT -5
Sorry if this has been posted before, but it's sad that if Georgetown had made the effort, it likely could have hired either Dan Hurley or Kevin Keatts in 2017 ... Hurley's people definitely were throwing his name out there and I don't seem to recall that Keatts was one of the many that proactively turned down the job (before an offer made/interview happened). Keatts not quite the slam dunk HOF coach that Hurley is ... but given what we've seen over the last seven years, he likely would not have been fired ... and maybe would have had his odds defying run at Georgetown. Kevin Keatts coaching record: 211-121 overall (.636 winning percentage), 139-93 since coaching at NC State (.599 winning percentage), 1 Final Four in 7 years coaching at a high major www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/kevin-keatts-1.htmlEd Cooley coaching record: 343-245 overall (.583 winning percentage), 251-176 since coaching at Providence and Georgetown (.588 winning percentage), 1 Sweet Sixteen in 13 years coaching at a high major www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/ed-cooley-1.html
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 2, 2024 11:03:50 GMT -5
Sorry if this has been posted before, but it's sad that if Georgetown had made the effort, it likely could have hired either Dan Hurley or Kevin Keatts in 2017 ... Hurley's people definitely were throwing his name out there and I don't seem to recall that Keatts was one of the many that proactively turned down the job (before an offer made/interview happened). Keatts not quite the slam dunk HOF coach that Hurley is ... but given what we've seen over the last seven years, he likely would not have been fired ... and maybe would have had his odds defying run at Georgetown. On Hurley, I 100% agree Georgetown should have absolutely interviewed him at minimum. There is no way that John Thompson was going to allow that to happen, which is in part why it did not happen, and I lay blame for that on DeGioia. DeGioia had a lot of respect for John Thompson and a long history with him. There's nothing wrong with that, of course, but when it came to making decisions in the best interest of the program, I think DeGioia failed miserably on that score in 2017. As far as Keatts, I do know a lot of people here wanted him in 2017. But let's slow our roll. This is another illustration of how the NCAA tournament really warps views of reality. There is absolutely no doubt that Keatts has had a spectacular ACC tournament and NCAA tournament, and I give him all the credit for that. But, before this run, there was talk of Keatts being on the hot seat. Keatts has been at best an okay coach at NC state. His teams, starting in 2018, have been ranked 46, 41, 50, 71, 128, 52, and 43 this year (much of that due to the recent run). So basically, aside from 2022, Keatts has had his teams being not horrible but outside the bubble for the most part. Only two tournament appearances in 7 seasons. I am glad for him and his success. I just think if Georgetown hired Keatts, and in his first 5 seasons he did not make the tournament, fans would have been extremely displeased. And unlike Ewing, Keatts would have been good enough to avoid being fired.
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Post by bicentennial on Apr 2, 2024 11:04:33 GMT -5
Sorry if this has been posted before, but it's sad that if Georgetown had made the effort, it likely could have hired either Dan Hurley or Kevin Keatts in 2017 ... Hurley's people definitely were throwing his name out there and I don't seem to recall that Keatts was one of the many that proactively turned down the job (before an offer made/interview happened). Keatts not quite the slam dunk HOF coach that Hurley is ... but given what we've seen over the last seven years, he likely would not have been fired ... and maybe would have had his odds defying run at Georgetown. Kevin Keatts coaching record: 211-121 overall (.636 winning percentage), 139-93 since coaching at NC State (.599 winning percentage), 1 Final Four in 7 years coaching at a high major www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/kevin-keatts-1.htmlEd Cooley coaching record: 343-245 overall (.583 winning percentage), 251-176 since coaching at Providence and Georgetown (.588 winning percentage), 1 Sweet Sixteen in 13 years coaching at a high major www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/ed-cooley-1.htmlI am somewhat joking as I post this but I remember a former coach with several terrible seasons and his record was 346-193 (.641) and he was let go. Obviously the hope with any new hire is to put the coach in a position to succeed. Hopefully that is what the next few seasons will bring. Don't want to be the second DePaul in the Big East!
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Post by guru on Apr 2, 2024 11:17:42 GMT -5
Sorry if this has been posted before, but it's sad that if Georgetown had made the effort, it likely could have hired either Dan Hurley or Kevin Keatts in 2017 ... Hurley's people definitely were throwing his name out there and I don't seem to recall that Keatts was one of the many that proactively turned down the job (before an offer made/interview happened). Keatts not quite the slam dunk HOF coach that Hurley is ... but given what we've seen over the last seven years, he likely would not have been fired ... and maybe would have had his odds defying run at Georgetown. On Hurley, I 100% agree Georgetown should have absolutely interviewed him at minimum. There is no way that John Thompson was going to allow that to happen, which is in part why it did not happen, and I lay blame for that on DeGioia. DeGioia had a lot of respect for John Thompson and a long history with him. There's nothing wrong with that, of course, but when it came to making decisions in the best interest of the program, I think DeGioia failed miserably on that score in 2017. As far as Keatts, I do know a lot of people here wanted him in 2017. But let's slow our roll. This is another illustration of how the NCAA tournament really warps views of reality. There is absolutely no doubt that Keatts has had a spectacular ACC tournament and NCAA tournament, and I give him all the credit for that. But, before this run, there was talk of Keatts being on the hot seat. Keatts has been at best an okay coach at NC state. His teams, starting in 2018, have been ranked 46, 41, 50, 71, 128, 52, and 43 this year (much of that due to the recent run). So basically, aside from 2022, Keatts has had his teams being not horrible but outside the bubble for the most part. Only two tournament appearances in 7 seasons. I am glad for him and his success. I just think if Georgetown hired Keatts, and in his first 5 seasons he did not make the tournament, fans would have been extremely displeased. And unlike Ewing, Keatts would have been good enough to avoid being fired. We don't know if Keatts is a legit long-term upper level coach, or if he joins the list of one hit FF wonders that includes Mike Davis, JT3, Tom Crean, Kevin Ollie and a few others. But I'd like to be NCSU right about now.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 2, 2024 12:24:53 GMT -5
Sorry if this has been posted before, but it's sad that if Georgetown had made the effort, it likely could have hired either Dan Hurley or Kevin Keatts in 2017 ... Hurley's people definitely were throwing his name out there and I don't seem to recall that Keatts was one of the many that proactively turned down the job (before an offer made/interview happened). Keatts not quite the slam dunk HOF coach that Hurley is ... but given what we've seen over the last seven years, he likely would not have been fired ... and maybe would have had his odds defying run at Georgetown. As noted earlier, la famiglia was not going to welcome Hurley, Keatts, Mack, Amaker, et al. into the program in 2017.
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Post by practice on Apr 2, 2024 12:50:11 GMT -5
Sorry if this has been posted before, but it's sad that if Georgetown had made the effort, it likely could have hired either Dan Hurley or Kevin Keatts in 2017 ... Hurley's people definitely were throwing his name out there and I don't seem to recall that Keatts was one of the many that proactively turned down the job (before an offer made/interview happened). Keatts not quite the slam dunk HOF coach that Hurley is ... but given what we've seen over the last seven years, he likely would not have been fired ... and maybe would have had his odds defying run at Georgetown. As noted earlier, la famiglia was not going to welcome Hurley, Keatts, Mack, Amaker, et al. into the program in 2017. Amaker was a Falk guy and sort of a 3rd cousin on la famiglia ... I'm glad we didn't end up with him. Hurley kills me ... no way JT2 would allow it. I agree that whether Keatts is a great long term coach is an open question ... but I'd take the last 7 years of NCSU's performance if it ended up in a Final Four run. No ... we were screwed in 2017 ... I remember how quickly Ewing was hired ... and how DeGioa demonstrated that he was 1000% part of the problem. I'm fine with Cooley now ... but what could have been ... .
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