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Post by thedragon on Jan 6, 2024 16:54:59 GMT -5
Take the W. The guys looked pretty decently I thought. They are what they are. Is styles / cook gone after this year? I like them, rowen and Fielder. Bristol always has good energy. All five need to improve - but they have potential. I’ll take Epps because he can create / just wish the ball didn’t always stop in his hands. The rest of the guys, eh - just minimize the mistakes. Heath is most depressing, but he is what he is Both Styles and Cook have another year of eligibility left.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 6, 2024 16:58:14 GMT -5
TCU gave Kansas all it could handle. At the end it was Dickinson (there but for NIL...) who saved Kansas.
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Post by kettlehill on Jan 6, 2024 17:24:17 GMT -5
Did not think I would ever say this... but Supreme's FT shooting - along with RB's timely 3s and the return of Dontrez the nasty- won us that game.
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Post by centercourt400s on Jan 6, 2024 17:33:40 GMT -5
Take the W. The guys looked pretty decently I thought. They are what they are. Is styles / cook gone after this year? I like them, rowen and Fielder. Bristol always has good energy. All five need to improve - but they have potential. I’ll take Epps because he can create / just wish the ball didn’t always stop in his hands. The rest of the guys, eh - just minimize the mistakes. Heath is most depressing, but he is what he is Amazingly I thought that after Epps went out and Heath had to come in the team really executed well for the 1st 10 min or so. Heath was not a liability on D for a time and with Rowan hitting 3s the team really got a good lift. I don't think Heath is a lost cause just yet. He doesn't have any higher of a defensive ceiling to speak of but I think he can realistically raise his floor, which will help. Glad for the win, hopefully the taste of success will elevate their play against Seton Hall.
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Post by Omega on Jan 6, 2024 17:55:49 GMT -5
Heath had a good game. It was his passing to Rowen that created the two 3s...
Not his fault guards can't create open looks for him ..
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Post by CTHoya08 on Jan 6, 2024 18:03:53 GMT -5
Two things I don't get on the posts above...Yes Fielder would be good in the Massoud position but we really only have two bigs with 5 fouls to give each. And each of them need a break. So what it points out is that right now and next season that Fielder should be playing the "4" next to a legit 7' center where there is also Cook. We are one player, maybe two, shy in the "bigs" department. The other concern is why the heck save redshirt years with regard to McKenna...I know it is Cooley's MO to develop players over 4 years, but in this day and age with Transfer Portal money out there who knows long term with the longevity of any player. We need McKenna now. First paragraph - dead on. Add a C to Fielder or Cook and you have a decent front court. For this year, we have to make do and ostensibly you want Massoud's experience on the floor in a one possession game. Massoud has to play better down the stretch though (dribbled ball off foot, he was in horrible position on the three with 9.5 seconds left, came over to help Brumbaugh on Nelson and fouled but didn't foul hard enough to prevent the shot). McKenna - the difference here in playing Drew McKenna is what - maybe winning 5 games instead of 4? Or 4 instead of 3? If that? You need a C and Drew McKenna is not a C. You're going to tell a kid who skipped his senior year of high school for you to burn a year of eligibility to play less than half a season for what exactly? Why would Drew McKenna agree to that? Why would we ask that? That's the kind of move that DMV coaches would raise their eyebrows at and question whether Georgetown has the best interests of their kids at heart. Beat me to it. It’s not like McKenna is going to turn this team into a BE or at-large contender. I would think that asking him to burn a year of eligibility would increase the chance of losing him to the portal (never mind the longer-term reputation consequences). I’d rather assume the risk that he (like anyone) might bolt on the back end versus poisoning the well on the front end.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jan 6, 2024 18:09:15 GMT -5
First paragraph - dead on. Add a C to Fielder or Cook and you have a decent front court. For this year, we have to make do and ostensibly you want Massoud's experience on the floor in a one possession game. Massoud has to play better down the stretch though (dribbled ball off foot, he was in horrible position on the three with 9.5 seconds left, came over to help Brumbaugh on Nelson and fouled but didn't foul hard enough to prevent the shot). McKenna - the difference here in playing Drew McKenna is what - maybe winning 5 games instead of 4? Or 4 instead of 3? If that? You need a C and Drew McKenna is not a C. You're going to tell a kid who skipped his senior year of high school for you to burn a year of eligibility to play less than half a season for what exactly? Why would Drew McKenna agree to that? Why would we ask that? That's the kind of move that DMV coaches would raise their eyebrows at and question whether Georgetown has the best interests of their kids at heart. Beat me to it. It’s not like McKenna is going to turn this team into a BE or at-large contender. I would think that asking him to burn a year of eligibility would increase the chance of losing him to the portal (never mind the longer-term reputation consequences). I’d rather assume the risk that he (like anyone) might bolt on the back end versus poisoning the well on the front end. Cooley seems like a guy that would be open, honest and upfront with his players. I would assume him and McKenna sat down, weighed the options and let the player decide. I am sure Cooley certainly wouldn't mind having him on the court sooner than later...so if McKenna wanted that as well great and if he said I rather wait for the fall and join the incoming class no harm there either in what all of us assumed would be somewhat of a throw away season anyway. I would be shocked if the decision ultimately wasn't McKenna's
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 6, 2024 18:25:03 GMT -5
First paragraph - dead on. Add a C to Fielder or Cook and you have a decent front court. For this year, we have to make do and ostensibly you want Massoud's experience on the floor in a one possession game. Massoud has to play better down the stretch though (dribbled ball off foot, he was in horrible position on the three with 9.5 seconds left, came over to help Brumbaugh on Nelson and fouled but didn't foul hard enough to prevent the shot). McKenna - the difference here in playing Drew McKenna is what - maybe winning 5 games instead of 4? Or 4 instead of 3? If that? You need a C and Drew McKenna is not a C. You're going to tell a kid who skipped his senior year of high school for you to burn a year of eligibility to play less than half a season for what exactly? Why would Drew McKenna agree to that? Why would we ask that? That's the kind of move that DMV coaches would raise their eyebrows at and question whether Georgetown has the best interests of their kids at heart. Beat me to it. It’s not like McKenna is going to turn this team into a BE or at-large contender. I would think that asking him to burn a year of eligibility would increase the chance of losing him to the portal (never mind the longer-term reputation consequences). I’d rather assume the risk that he (like anyone) might bolt on the back end versus poisoning the well on the front end. McKenna is 6-8 200 lbs. So he could play sg and forward spots but not center. If he plays then it takes pt away from Bristol, stylz, Massoud, fielder. So really doesn’t solve any problems because center is the position we need. If McKenna were 6-10 or above or 6-8 235 lbs then they would probably activate him as he could play center.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 6, 2024 18:28:03 GMT -5
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Post by thedragon on Jan 6, 2024 18:29:46 GMT -5
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Post by the_way on Jan 6, 2024 18:41:21 GMT -5
We won.
Go Hoyas!
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Post by bearsandbulls on Jan 6, 2024 19:09:52 GMT -5
Beat me to it. It’s not like McKenna is going to turn this team into a BE or at-large contender. I would think that asking him to burn a year of eligibility would increase the chance of losing him to the portal (never mind the longer-term reputation consequences). I’d rather assume the risk that he (like anyone) might bolt on the back end versus poisoning the well on the front end. McKenna is 6-8 200 lbs. So he could play sg and forward spots but not center. If he plays then it takes pt away from Bristol, stylz, Massoud, fielder. So really doesn’t solve any problems because center is the position we need. If McKenna were 6-10 or above or 6-8 235 lbs then they would probably activate him as he could play center. So, you think that we don't need some help at the guard position. When Brumbaugh sits, I worry. He isn't the be all, do all guard but he is all we have for any measure of ball security. And never was it proposed that McKenna is a center or even a "4" fill in....The consideration is that players rarely play four years at one school and we could use him, and he could use the 3/4 of year to his benefit to get used to Big East play. Benefit both ways, but I am more inclined to favor Georgetown's interests.
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Post by hoyaguy on Jan 6, 2024 19:17:00 GMT -5
If McKenna was able to join at the start of the year then I would've definitely wanted him on the roster, but why force it? I get we are thin but him just jumping into the deepend without any non conference play could've been really disheartening and he can keep adjusting to college and practice which will still give him an edge over other freshmen that come in the Summer.
Happy to see the win today and gotta keep that fire going in Styles and Cook to grab as many rebounds as possible
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 6, 2024 19:35:43 GMT -5
McKenna is 6-8 200 lbs. So he could play sg and forward spots but not center. If he plays then it takes pt away from Bristol, stylz, Massoud, fielder. So really doesn’t solve any problems because center is the position we need. If McKenna were 6-10 or above or 6-8 235 lbs then they would probably activate him as he could play center. So, you think that we don't need some help at the guard position. When Brumbaugh sits, I worry. He isn't the be all, do all guard but he is all we have for any measure of ball security. And never was it proposed that McKenna is a center or even a "4" fill in....The consideration is that players rarely play four years at one school and we could use him, and he could use the 3/4 of year to his benefit to get used to Big East play. Benefit both ways, but I am more inclined to favor Georgetown's interests. Haven’t seen him play but at 6-8 200 that’s usually a wing player who wouldn’t have great handles to be the second guard. I don’t think he would be able to replace Brumbaugh or Epps as either the point or combo guard.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 6, 2024 20:18:53 GMT -5
Was happy with the way they played. No more 10-15 dribbles by the guards to initiate play. 7-8 dribbles at most than pass and the ball was moving and getting Styles, Supreme and Massoud early in shot clock. Box reflects they as we had balanced scoring with 6 guys sharing the scoring load.
I thought Rowan’s defense was particularly good this game and Supremes free throws.
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Post by LoudSoundOfREBOUND on Jan 6, 2024 20:30:18 GMT -5
Take this years wins by hook or by crook. We're not making the tourney and we're clearly near the bottom of the Big East. Style points rarely mean anything to me and mean even less in conference play this year.
a few thoughts: 1. Ideally, this year's Brumbaugh would be a second line PG on a tourney level team who would be expected to develop and take the mantle from a more experience PG next year. Obviously not the case but I have seen growth. While he's not a game changer at the position, I feel comfortable with the ball in his hands. He doesn't often make the wrong decision or create a turnover. There's definitely value in that to say nothing of potential to grow. 2. Not having a shot blocker makes so many things look worse defensively. We wouldn't be seeing the layup drills we often allow defensively. Instead, it looks especially bad when these guys like Heath and Massoud get beat. It doesn't help that Massoud plays like he's 6'5". Teams run picks and we switch until they get the matchups they want so they can head to the basket without fear. Epps is often put in a tough position guarding under the basket because of this. 3. The above excluded, there were great signs on the defensive end, especially early in the game. The ability is there, the consistency is the issue. 4. Heath's minutes earlier were simply a result of injuries/illnesses. Seems he's third choice and likely because the bench is so thin and he has some experience. 5. I think Styles tops out as a third option on a good tourney team. He does nothing great but a lot really well and clearly adds value. He doesn't seem to have it in him to impose himself on a game. 6. Credit to Cook today. Good game and well made FTs. Today he taught a masterclass on how to shoot so it just dies on the back of the rim and falls through. 7. Fielder is going to be a good player for us. I think his biggest hurdles now are experience and confidence, both of which will come with time.
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 6, 2024 20:55:37 GMT -5
Our best all purpose five:
Cook Fielder Massoud Styles Epps
A bit of a 6th man tossup B/W Massoud & Brumbaugh depending on matchup.
There's ball handling issues there, but it's our best "in the paint" lineup. Coach appears to not want much of Fielder/Cook together for depth purposes.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 6, 2024 21:30:02 GMT -5
Scrappy win. It's one we should have won by more, but there's still good to see here. - Styles was key on the boards, and offensively in particular. I wonder if this can be his role; something he can really focus on. He's not assertive offensively, but if he likes attacking the boards and can get after it, he can somewhat play the role Andrew Wiggins played in the Warriors last title. He absolutely won the game on the boards.
- Rowan continues to grow into his own. I'd like to see a bit more aggression on the drive and using picks, but I really liked him stepping up from three.
- We need to shoot more threes. More plays for three, more intent to get someone open for threes. We should not be shooting only 21 when we're shooting 38% -- yes, the incremental shot quality is going to decrease, but our two point shots are not exactly a collection of layups and dunks.
- I think the Epps haters are pretty much incorrigible. After the ND win, it was that he was too much of a ballhog, we were better without him on the floor. Today, he played a reserved game, made some key plays, had 5 assists and only two turnovers and now it's "he's injury prone" because he got poked in the eye. Okay. Whatever.
- Kudos to Supreme Cook. 8-12 from the line isn't particularly good, but it is for him, and his ability to reasonably convert was a big plus.
- Worth noting that after a terrible first half of turnovers, we calmed down and didn't have much of a gap with DePaul.
We still need to get better, but it's always good to get a win. On to the next one.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jan 6, 2024 22:43:42 GMT -5
She wasn’t pretty, but she was all that was left standing around late at the party. So I said, “Ah, what the heck!”
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 7, 2024 1:00:38 GMT -5
She wasn’t pretty, but she was all that was left standing around late at the party. So I said, “Ah, what the heck!” Not realizing that she was doing the same thing😎
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