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Post by kettlehill on Dec 14, 2023 9:16:20 GMT -5
Brumbaugh needs to start right now
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Post by bluegray79 on Dec 14, 2023 12:46:15 GMT -5
Recorded the game as I was traveling and just watched it. One of those times when you have to be careful not to totally sell out your standards just because we got the W and a few guys played good games. Still... #1 complaint from me is why didn't Ryan and the bench get more minutes or ANY minutes? Just boggles the mind -- even if EC waited until halfway through the second half. Just would love to hear the thinking. The "and the bench" is weird here. Ryan didn't get minutes. Who else needed minutes? Fielder got 17. Bristol got 21. Bacote got 16. Epps was out. Not sure if Grant is ready to play (concussion) and Montgomery didn't play. There are a still 3-4 other guys. Heck, put Mauresan in, Hashem, Kazor, Montgomery -- why not? And Ryan, of course. I like EC, but not playing bench players in a runaway game is something I've seen from certain coaches. Sometimes there's a point to make -- Ewing always kept starters in, but I don't remember many runaway games for his teams. Not sure what the point was here for EC, so would like to hear the thinking behind it.
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Dec 14, 2023 13:03:28 GMT -5
No chance. We had it over 20 for a little bit, but as the announcers kept saying: we weren't exactly outplaying them in the 2nd half.
We've got a not-very-good team that needs every minute it can get to gel & grow together - and individually. Ish is just getting integrated. Rowan & Drew need minutes. Other guys (Styles/Cook/Heath) need to show they can step up & be a regular 2nd/3rd option - or #1 when Epps isn't on the court.
This wasn't Lemoyne. There are guys who won't help us be competitive this year - they are not owed playing time. I'm surprised Ryan seems to be on that list... but here we are.
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Post by thedragon on Dec 14, 2023 13:10:33 GMT -5
It continues to amaze me the people that call for walk ons or guys that have shown nothing in multiple years to play more. Like EC hasent been coaching successfully for decades. Do we think he wouldnt play these guys if he thought they could help win more ganes? Cook and Fielder have gotten noticably better sincw the beginning of the season. Would that have happened if their minutes were paired down to play another big?
Our core 8 man rotation has played exactly three (?) games together? Two of those include Ish's first game back after 6 weeks and another where Rowan was clearly still not 100% from illness. EC should be getting the core 8 as much time together in different lineups to build continuity and help figure out what lineups work best for BE play. Throwing a bone of 5 minutes vs. Coppin State for a player that is unlikely to contribute down the road is useless. This isn't rec league.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 14, 2023 13:16:01 GMT -5
No chance. We got it to 20 a few times, but as the announcers kept saying: we weren't exactly outplaying them in the 2nd half. We've got a not-very-good team that needs every minute it can get to gel & grow together - and individually. Ish is just getting integrated. Rowan & Drew need minutes. Other guys (Styles/Cook/Heath) need to show they can step up & be a regular 2nd/3rd option - or #1 when Epps isn't on the court. This wasn't Lemoyne. There are guys who won't help us be competitive this year - they are not owed playing time. I'm surprised Ryan seems to be on that list... but here we are. Disagree. Beating CSU by 20 or by 10 doesn’t make a difference. That game served no purpose, not even for gelling. For example, Rowan was playing (or allowed to play by the defense) like he was in Kenner. Do you think that’s what he’s going to see vs the other 10 BE teams? If the answer is no, then it makes no difference.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 14, 2023 13:22:09 GMT -5
It continues to amaze me the people that call for walk ons or guys that have shown nothing in multiple years to play more. Like EC hasent been coaching successfully for decades. Do we think he wouldnt play these guys if he thought they could help win more ganes? Cook and Fielder have gotten noticably better sincw the beginning of the season. Would that have happened if their minutes were paired down to play another big? Our core 8 man rotation has played exactly three (?) games together? Two of those include Ish's first game back after 6 weeks and another where Rowan was clearly still not 100% from illness. EC should be getting the core 8 as much time together in different lineups to build continuity and help figure out what lineups work best for BE play. Throwing a bone of 5 minutes vs. Coppin State for a player that is unlikely to contribute down the road is useless. This isn't rec league. It’s precisely because our core 8-man rotation has played exactly three games together that we need it. EC is not going to have his core rotation available all the time, much less if they’re playing 30-35 mpg in the cupcake OCC. It’s precaution and preparation. Add Ryan’s 5-10 mpg here and there to keep Cook et al. fresh up to March. Anyway, the cupcakes are done. It is what it is.
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Post by TC on Dec 14, 2023 14:31:39 GMT -5
Why is it weird? It’s the last cupcake of the season and we were up by 20. Not giving pt to bench players in that scenario is Ewing-esque (i.e., wrong). It's weird because we were not up 20 - we were up between 14 and 16 from 10 minutes on in the second half. If we were up 25 at the 4 minute mark, I'm sure the bench empties, but Coppin State never took their starters out and you never had the elbow room to unilaterally take yours out.
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Post by thedragon on Dec 14, 2023 18:49:22 GMT -5
It continues to amaze me the people that call for walk ons or guys that have shown nothing in multiple years to play more. Like EC hasent been coaching successfully for decades. Do we think he wouldnt play these guys if he thought they could help win more ganes? Cook and Fielder have gotten noticably better sincw the beginning of the season. Would that have happened if their minutes were paired down to play another big? Our core 8 man rotation has played exactly three (?) games together? Two of those include Ish's first game back after 6 weeks and another where Rowan was clearly still not 100% from illness. EC should be getting the core 8 as much time together in different lineups to build continuity and help figure out what lineups work best for BE play. Throwing a bone of 5 minutes vs. Coppin State for a player that is unlikely to contribute down the road is useless. This isn't rec league. It’s precisely because our core 8-man rotation has played exactly three games together that we need it. EC is not going to have his core rotation available all the time, much less if they’re playing 30-35 mpg in the cupcake OCC. It’s precaution and preparation. Add Ryan’s 5-10 mpg here and there to keep Cook et al. fresh up to March. Anyway, the cupcakes are done. It is what it is. I hear you, but I think the minutes thing is way overblown. A lot of championship teams in the last decade played 6 man rotations or barely 7. And made it to April.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 14, 2023 19:38:17 GMT -5
It’s precisely because our core 8-man rotation has played exactly three games together that we need it. EC is not going to have his core rotation available all the time, much less if they’re playing 30-35 mpg in the cupcake OCC. It’s precaution and preparation. Add Ryan’s 5-10 mpg here and there to keep Cook et al. fresh up to March. Anyway, the cupcakes are done. It is what it is. I hear you, but I think the minutes thing is way overblown. A lot of championship teams in the last decade played 6 man rotations or barely 7. And made it to April. Not throughout the season, but yes in March when coaches tighten rotations.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 14, 2023 19:40:15 GMT -5
Why is it weird? It’s the last cupcake of the season and we were up by 20. Not giving pt to bench players in that scenario is Ewing-esque (i.e., wrong). It's weird because we were not up 20 - we were up between 14 and 16 from 10 minutes on in the second half. If we were up 25 at the 4 minute mark, I'm sure the bench empties, but Coppin State never took their starters out and you never had the elbow room to unilaterally take yours out. I’ll respectfully disagree on the strategy. So you’re saying that the CSU coach did a Coach Ewing?
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Post by TC on Dec 15, 2023 8:40:14 GMT -5
It's weird because we were not up 20 - we were up between 14 and 16 from 10 minutes on in the second half. If we were up 25 at the 4 minute mark, I'm sure the bench empties, but Coppin State never took their starters out and you never had the elbow room to unilaterally take yours out. I’ll respectfully disagree on the strategy. So you’re saying that the CSU coach did a Coach Ewing? Other than the 2 minute stretch Ferguson was in between the 11 minute mark and the 9, CSU played seven players the entire second half.
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Post by TC on Dec 15, 2023 11:30:10 GMT -5
I blame prhoya and this thread
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Post by guru on Dec 15, 2023 11:52:14 GMT -5
I blame prhoya and this thread For gods sake. Nothing ever changes with this program.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 15, 2023 11:53:30 GMT -5
I blame prhoya and this thread 😷 “Decades of experience…”
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 15, 2023 11:53:46 GMT -5
I blame prhoya and this thread Does this mean we can't get a free side and drink with a lobster roll anymore?
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Post by bostonfan on Dec 15, 2023 12:32:16 GMT -5
I blame prhoya and this thread For gods sake. Nothing ever changes with this program. I am never happy when players leave the team, but if your going to lose players, walk ons who were not getting playing time, are the ones you want to lose. Finding playing time for walk ons has to be really low on the list of important things Cooley is trying to accomplish with a new program, and I don't blame him for that. He is trying to build an identity and culture and you do that by having your scholarship guys play together.
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Post by guru on Dec 15, 2023 12:37:04 GMT -5
For gods sake. Nothing ever changes with this program. I am never happy when players leave the team, but if your going to lose players, walk ons who were not getting playing time, are the ones you want to lose. Finding playing time for walk ons has to be really low on the list of important things Cooley is trying to accomplish with a new program, and I don't blame him for that. He is trying to build an identity and culture and you do that by having your scholarship guys play together. I understand. But step one in the rebuild of this moribound program needs to be stability. The constant roster turnover is disheartening no matter which players are affected. This is the same problem that every Ewing team encountered. Just feels depressingly familiar.
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Post by TC on Dec 15, 2023 13:30:34 GMT -5
Is there a roster size maximum of 15? fs.ncaa.org/Docs/DI_Champs_Sports_Mgmt_Cab/2010/June%202010/APP_L_SQUAD_SIZES-TRAVELING_PARTIES_2-10.pdfWe have 13 listed, I think McKenna needs to be added if he is redshirting and practicing, which may mean they need an extra slot for 2nd semester for someone else? Cooley did say he was taking an early flight for recruiting after the Coppin State game. Both Grant and Muresan's instas still say Georgetown Basketball - is there a chance they are now on the practice squad but not the roster?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 15, 2023 13:53:35 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 15, 2023 17:40:10 GMT -5
To be fair, these terms are all made up and not official anyway. People often call guys like McKenna redshirts and even from that article the only difference is that the person is there half a season rather than a full season. Practically, this is also different in football because a "greenshirt" in football comes in after the games (except playoffs or bowl games) are done, and so they have no games to play in anyway. So a differentiation between "redshirt" and "greenshirt" makes a bit more sense in football than basketball.
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