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Post by jwp91 on Dec 30, 2023 17:01:00 GMT -5
Before you dismiss Brumbaugh's ability to lead the Hoyas next year ( and beyond ), I urge you to check out your boy Kolek's stats for his first year in the BE. Remarkably similar to Brumbaughs: Kolek averaged 6.7 ppg on 32% from the field and 27% from 3. Yes, Kolek averaged 5.9 assists to Rowans 3.0, but most of his numbers were no better or worse than Rowans. Brumbaugh was rated significantly higher than Kolek coming out of High School. My point is Tyler Kolek didn't "arrive" until his second year in the BE, the same year that Marquette arrived ( remember they were picked 8th or 9th pre-season ). This is going to be a tough year for all the Hoyas, but nothing is better prep for the future than real game experience in the Big East. With the terrific group coming in and this years core of Brumbaugh, Epps and Styles with a year of BE wars under there belts, who knows? Hey I've been a Brumbaugh fan since I saw him at Kenner last summer. And yes I expect him to improve as the year(s) go on. And yes I predicted as Brumbaugh goes so do the Hoyas. But I never saw him as a playmaking pg rather I always envisioned him more as a small forward. And I hope that once we do get that playmaking pg (either thru the portal or recruitment) Rowan will be able to slide into the small forward slot that I think he is better suited for. His best differential skill set on offense is his vision to set others up. What part of his game has you so enamored that he would be an effective small forward? I don’t see it. Besides we will have log jam at small forward. If he is really a small forward, I don’t think he will see the floor next year and beyond as Styles, McKenna, and Caleb Williams will demand all of those minutes.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Dec 31, 2023 11:07:42 GMT -5
Sadly it's December and the most active thread on the Board is discussing "The Future." Not much reason to be optimistic about the rest of this season, but I still hope for significant progress. Wins may be out of reach for the most part, but consistent effort and progress by all the players is not. No more horrendous TOs, an offense that utilizes ball movement and some evidence that the coaching staff can improve this group on both ends of the court. Don't agree with those who think mass transfers are not likely. Kids at this level want to play, get some exposure and win. Right now we are offering only one of those options to the players. I am not convinced that the two transfer rule survives in any meaningful way. I hear what you’re saying, but for the past couple of seasons the discussion has been “when will the admin wake up and get rid of the coach to end this nightmare.” This year it’s “this team isn’t great but next year should be very strong.” That’s a huge difference.
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Post by bluegray79 on Dec 31, 2023 11:17:52 GMT -5
Just seems crazy to be making anything close to definitive statements and predictions about Rowan based on 11 OOC games and 2 BE games on a team still struggling to cement an identity and style of play. If it's true that EC's eventual approach on the court is presently hindered by a weak roster, I think we owe it to EC, Rowan, and any returning player to wait until our recruits arrive next year and things settle in with the talent and athleticism the new Hoya basketball will feature. I think we'll see a different Rowan with different cast around him. If not, we'll know then that he isn't an up and coming top tier BE PG. But to make pronouncements at this point of EC's & Rowan's first year with this roster doesn't make sense.
Happy New Year -- let's go make life difficult for the Blue Jays Tuesday night!
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Post by TC on Dec 31, 2023 11:21:04 GMT -5
Don't agree with those who think mass transfers are not likely. Kids at this level want to play, get some exposure and win. Right now we are offering only one of those options to the players. I am not convinced that the two transfer rule survives in any meaningful way. If we really have one of the biggest NIL chests in the Big East AND we saved some of it from this season by not filling out the back half of the roster, do you think the hypothetical death of the multi-transfer would help or hurt Georgetown? I think it would unambiguously help us. It'd free up a couple of guys at Providence. In past years, we had mass transfers because Patrick Ewing ignored the fact that "kids at this level want to play". Cooley is not ignoring that.
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Post by raleighfriar on Dec 31, 2023 12:16:26 GMT -5
Don't agree with those who think mass transfers are not likely. Kids at this level want to play, get some exposure and win. Right now we are offering only one of those options to the players. I am not convinced that the two transfer rule survives in any meaningful way. If we really have one of the biggest NIL chests in the Big East AND we saved some of it from this season by not filling out the back half of the roster, do you think the hypothetical death of the multi-transfer would help or hurt Georgetown? I think it would unambiguously help us. It'd free up a couple of guys at Providence. In past years, we had mass transfers because Patrick Ewing ignored the fact that "kids at this level want to play". Cooley is not ignoring that. Who are y’all needing from Providence, TC?
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 31, 2023 12:24:00 GMT -5
Just seems crazy to be making anything close to definitive statements and predictions about Rowan based on 11 OOC games and 2 BE games on a team still struggling to cement an identity and style of play. If it's true that EC's eventual approach on the court is presently hindered by a weak roster, I think we owe it to EC, Rowan, and any returning player to wait until our recruits arrive next year and things settle in with the talent and athleticism the new Hoya basketball will feature. I think we'll see a different Rowan with different cast around him. If not, we'll know then that he isn't an up and coming top tier BE PG. But to make pronouncements at this point of EC's first year with this roster doesn't make sense. Happy New Year -- let's go make life difficult for the Blue Jays tomorrow night! Game isn't tomorrow night. It's on Tuesday, January 2nd.
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Post by bluegray79 on Dec 31, 2023 14:52:39 GMT -5
Knew that. Thanks.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 31, 2023 15:23:22 GMT -5
You had me checking my schedule! 😀
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Post by thedragon on Dec 31, 2023 16:57:17 GMT -5
Seems simple to me. As some amalgamation of what others have said - Retain the core. Multiple top level NIL grad (preferably) transfer portal players.
I'm using PC guys solely because many are familiar with their games, not because of any info.
Add Devin Carter and Bryce Hopkins to the current roster.
Backcourt rotation: Carter, Epps, Brumbaugh, Mulready. You can play multiple combinations.
Wing: Styles, Bristol/McKenna/Williams
Frontcourt: Hopkins, Cook, Fielder, Sorber
You have four quality BE starters. Epps, Styles, Carter, Hopkins. Depth.
The point is that it's not difficult to see how adding a two-way combo guard with some size. And a mobile post player that can play the 4/5. Would round out the roster nicely. You're looking for 2 players that can combine for 60 minutes a night with enough position flexibility that it doesn't stunt the growth of some young guys you're developing.
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Post by guru on Dec 31, 2023 18:39:55 GMT -5
Don't agree with those who think mass transfers are not likely. Kids at this level want to play, get some exposure and win. Right now we are offering only one of those options to the players. I am not convinced that the two transfer rule survives in any meaningful way. If we really have one of the biggest NIL chests in the Big East AND we saved some of it from this season by not filling out the back half of the roster, do you think the hypothetical death of the multi-transfer would help or hurt Georgetown? I think it would unambiguously help us. It'd free up a couple of guys at Providence. In past years, we had mass transfers because Patrick Ewing ignored the fact that "kids at this level want to play". Cooley is not ignoring that. The idea that if some breaks go our way we may have a shot to pick at the bones of the Providence roster just shows how inert the program is at the moment.
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Post by TC on Dec 31, 2023 20:41:22 GMT -5
The idea that if some breaks go our way we may have a shot to pick at the bones of the Providence roster just shows how inert the program is at the moment. Yeah, it would be terrible to poach an actual All-American. Get your head out of the 1980s.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 1, 2024 11:15:05 GMT -5
Hey I've been a Brumbaugh fan since I saw him at Kenner last summer. And yes I expect him to improve as the year(s) go on. And yes I predicted as Brumbaugh goes so do the Hoyas. But I never saw him as a playmaking pg rather I always envisioned him more as a small forward. And I hope that once we do get that playmaking pg (either thru the portal or recruitment) Rowan will be able to slide into the small forward slot that I think he is better suited for. His best differential skill set on offense is his vision to set others up. What part of his game has you so enamored that he would be an effective small forward? I don’t see it. Besides we will have log jam at small forward. If he is really a small forward, I don’t think he will see the floor next year and beyond as Styles, McKenna, and Caleb Williams will demand all of those minutes. My reason for thinking Rowan is more suited for small forward than pg is basically his weak ball handling skills. As a pg this weakness is highlighted whereas as a small forward his strengths, i.e. court vision/rebounding/court smarts (and I hope shooting) will be rewarded. A pg is just too important to a team to allow anyone but a great ball handler to play it (as we're seeing this year) whereas a small forward is more of a complementary player, i.e one who instead of initiating the action can react to the action as it develops. Yes, Rowan will have competition for this role next year but you can never have too many players like him on the roster.
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Post by jwp91 on Jan 1, 2024 11:28:44 GMT -5
His best differential skill set on offense is his vision to set others up. What part of his game has you so enamored that he would be an effective small forward? I don’t see it. Besides we will have log jam at small forward. If he is really a small forward, I don’t think he will see the floor next year and beyond as Styles, McKenna, and Caleb Williams will demand all of those minutes. My reason for thinking Rowan is more suited for small forward than pg is basically his weak ball handling skills. As a pg this weakness is highlighted whereas as a small forward his strengths, i.e. court vision/rebounding/court smarts (and I hope shooting) will be rewarded. A pg is just too important to a team to allow anyone but a great ball handler to play it (as we're seeing this year) whereas a small forward is more of a complementary player, i.e one who instead of initiating the action can react to the action as it develops. Yes, Rowan will have competition for this role next year but you can never have too many players like him on the roster. I don’t know. I think I would just get the kid in the gym every day for ball handling drills. A 6’4” PG with vision who can shoot and defend would be an amazing asset. I see a freshman who just needs to mature and develop. He will get stronger which will improve his defense. If he continues to work on ball-handling and shooting, I think he could be a super important part of the program for the next 3 years.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 1, 2024 11:58:04 GMT -5
My reason for thinking Rowan is more suited for small forward than pg is basically his weak ball handling skills. As a pg this weakness is highlighted whereas as a small forward his strengths, i.e. court vision/rebounding/court smarts (and I hope shooting) will be rewarded. A pg is just too important to a team to allow anyone but a great ball handler to play it (as we're seeing this year) whereas a small forward is more of a complementary player, i.e one who instead of initiating the action can react to the action as it develops. Yes, Rowan will have competition for this role next year but you can never have too many players like him on the roster. I don’t know. I think I would just get the kid in the gym every day for ball handling drills. A 6’4” PG with vision who can shoot and defend would be an amazing asset. I see a freshman who just needs to mature and develop. He will get stronger which will improve his defense. If he continues to work on ball-handling and shooting, I think he could be a super important part of the program for the next 3 years. In the meantime, get a good sr/grad PG in the portal and 💰.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 1, 2024 12:02:22 GMT -5
His best differential skill set on offense is his vision to set others up. What part of his game has you so enamored that he would be an effective small forward? I don’t see it. Besides we will have log jam at small forward. If he is really a small forward, I don’t think he will see the floor next year and beyond as Styles, McKenna, and Caleb Williams will demand all of those minutes. My reason for thinking Rowan is more suited for small forward than pg is basically his weak ball handling skills. As a pg this weakness is highlighted whereas as a small forward his strengths, i.e. court vision/rebounding/court smarts (and I hope shooting) will be rewarded. A pg is just too important to a team to allow anyone but a great ball handler to play it (as we're seeing this year) whereas a small forward is more of a complementary player, i.e one who instead of initiating the action can react to the action as it develops. Yes, Rowan will have competition for this role next year but you can never have too many players like him on the roster. We would lose a lot of length in the front court, so it would depend on who are our PF and C and how well is Rowan rebounding and defending from that position. Also, a move like that would mean that Rowan is a consistent outside threat.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 1, 2024 12:38:11 GMT -5
My reason for thinking Rowan is more suited for small forward than pg is basically his weak ball handling skills. As a pg this weakness is highlighted whereas as a small forward his strengths, i.e. court vision/rebounding/court smarts (and I hope shooting) will be rewarded. A pg is just too important to a team to allow anyone but a great ball handler to play it (as we're seeing this year) whereas a small forward is more of a complementary player, i.e one who instead of initiating the action can react to the action as it develops. Yes, Rowan will have competition for this role next year but you can never have too many players like him on the roster. I don’t know. I think I would just get the kid in the gym every day for ball handling drills. A 6’4” PG with vision who can shoot and defend would be an amazing asset. I see a freshman who just needs to mature and develop. He will get stronger which will improve his defense. If he continues to work on ball-handling and shooting, I think he could be a super important part of the program for the next 3 years. I have no idea if Rowan's handle ever comes together enough, but it certainly could. I also think he needs to improve his shot. It looks like he should be accurate, but he's not making as many as it looks like he should. For all the fanbase's complaining at the time, we had a weak handled, none too quick, smart and great shooting point guard take us to a Final Four in 2007, so I've always thought the pure point guard stuff was somewhat crap. Improve the 3, improve the handle enough, and get some more strength because his hesi/teardrop game could be freaking deadly at the college level when combined with those two other improvements. If someone has to respect his shot, that makes him quicker, and if the handles there enough, he will have an open three or that slow, plodding, teardrop in the lane whenever he wants it. But that's two big points of improvement.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 1, 2024 19:28:40 GMT -5
I don’t know. I think I would just get the kid in the gym every day for ball handling drills. A 6’4” PG with vision who can shoot and defend would be an amazing asset. I see a freshman who just needs to mature and develop. He will get stronger which will improve his defense. If he continues to work on ball-handling and shooting, I think he could be a super important part of the program for the next 3 years. I have no idea if Rowan's handle ever comes together enough, but it certainly could. I also think he needs to improve his shot. It looks like he should be accurate, but he's not making as many as it looks like he should. For all the fanbase's complaining at the time, we had a weak handled, none too quick, smart and great shooting point guard take us to a Final Four in 2007, so I've always thought the pure point guard stuff was somewhat crap. Improve the 3, improve the handle enough, and get some more strength because his hesi/teardrop game could be freaking deadly at the college level when combined with those two other improvements. If someone has to respect his shot, that makes him quicker, and if the handles there enough, he will have an open three or that slow, plodding, teardrop in the lane whenever he wants it. But that's two big points of improvement. Defense efficiency stats/combo stats have their weaknesses, but I would add that our team is horrible on defense but much better when Brumbaugh is on than off. It's not all about offense, though that matters a lot too. A lot of guards take sizeable jumps between freshman and sophomore year. Like Markel Starks. So, Brumbaugh could get a lot better on the offensive end. Or he might not.
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Post by traversb on Jan 2, 2024 17:22:13 GMT -5
My reason for thinking Rowan is more suited for small forward than pg is basically his weak ball handling skills. As a pg this weakness is highlighted whereas as a small forward his strengths, i.e. court vision/rebounding/court smarts (and I hope shooting) will be rewarded. A pg is just too important to a team to allow anyone but a great ball handler to play it (as we're seeing this year) whereas a small forward is more of a complementary player, i.e one who instead of initiating the action can react to the action as it develops. Yes, Rowan will have competition for this role next year but you can never have too many players like him on the roster. I don’t know. I think I would just get the kid in the gym every day for ball handling drills. A 6’4” PG with vision who can shoot and defend would be an amazing asset. I see a freshman who just needs to mature and develop. He will get stronger which will improve his defense. If he continues to work on ball-handling and shooting, I think he could be a super important part of the program for the next 3 years. Yes he is technically a freshman but he's a redshirt freshman that was at one of the best possible places to redshirt. The freshman to sophomore leap is usually as a result of being able to focus on basketball, better coaching and strength and conditioning and he doesn't look that far along from the HS him. He wasn't sitting out with injury last year. He was part of a really good team and playing against really good players every day. I am not giving up on him at all but he's much further behind on the things that I would want my offensive PG to have. His defense is more advanced. That is why I think we need a grad senior next year to give him more time because he needs it. If anything he needs someone to test him in practice. Right now in practice who is testing him and making him get better on offense? He still has the chance to be special but his fundamentals right now are bad. His length and IQ are the reason to hold out hope. If he stays here for 4 more years he should figure it out all out by the time he leaves.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 2, 2024 18:32:38 GMT -5
I don’t know. I think I would just get the kid in the gym every day for ball handling drills. A 6’4” PG with vision who can shoot and defend would be an amazing asset. I see a freshman who just needs to mature and develop. He will get stronger which will improve his defense. If he continues to work on ball-handling and shooting, I think he could be a super important part of the program for the next 3 years. Yes he is technically a freshman but he's a redshirt freshman that was at one of the best possible places to redshirt. The freshman to sophomore leap is usually as a result of being able to focus on basketball, better coaching and strength and conditioning and he doesn't look that far along from the HS him. He wasn't sitting out with injury last year. He was part of a really good team and playing against really good players every day. I am not giving up on him at all but he's much further behind on the things that I would want my offensive PG to have. His defense is more advanced. That is why I think we need a grad senior next year to give him more time because he needs it. If anything he needs someone to test him in practice. Right now in practice who is testing him and making him get better on offense? He still has the chance to be special but his fundamentals right now are bad. His length and IQ are the reason to hold out hope. If he stays here for 4 more years he should figure it out all out by the time he leaves. Or even three more years, since that will exhaust his eligibility, no?
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Post by traversb on Jan 2, 2024 18:42:26 GMT -5
Yes he is technically a freshman but he's a redshirt freshman that was at one of the best possible places to redshirt. The freshman to sophomore leap is usually as a result of being able to focus on basketball, better coaching and strength and conditioning and he doesn't look that far along from the HS him. He wasn't sitting out with injury last year. He was part of a really good team and playing against really good players every day. I am not giving up on him at all but he's much further behind on the things that I would want my offensive PG to have. His defense is more advanced. That is why I think we need a grad senior next year to give him more time because he needs it. If anything he needs someone to test him in practice. Right now in practice who is testing him and making him get better on offense? He still has the chance to be special but his fundamentals right now are bad. His length and IQ are the reason to hold out hope. If he stays here for 4 more years he should figure it out all out by the time he leaves. Or even three more years, since that will exhaust his eligibility, no? 4 More Years! 4 More years! Yes I meant if he stays here 4 years but who knows with the way they pass out exceptions these days.
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