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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 3, 2023 6:41:35 GMT -5
I guess having a Chick-fil-A on campus couldn’t sway things. 😋
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TC
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Post by TC on May 3, 2023 6:48:43 GMT -5
Could also be that the radio show was wrong on Maryland's number too, and the rest of the bidders are still a level above Georgetown. I guess here is the "radio station" info : I still feel pretty confident in the idea that whatever we have or Maryland has in resources, Kentucky has at least 3x that number, Kansas probably has more than either UMD or Georgetown but is greater than the DMV schools by a smaller multiple than Kentucky.
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on May 3, 2023 9:24:23 GMT -5
I hope Hunter informed Cooley a while ago that we weren’t in the running anymore. Cooley has known.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on May 3, 2023 9:45:19 GMT -5
I hope Hunter informed Cooley a while ago that we weren’t in the running anymore. Cooley has known. Thanks B&G. Hope to see some high quality commitments soon!
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Post by Massholya on May 3, 2023 10:19:06 GMT -5
Could also be that the radio show was wrong on Maryland's number too, and the rest of the bidders are still a level above Georgetown. I guess here is the "radio station" info : I still feel pretty confident in the idea that whatever we have or Maryland has in resources, Kentucky has at least 3x that number, Kansas probably has more than either UMD or Georgetown but is greater than the DMV schools by a smaller multiple than Kentucky. Wow. Crazy times. These guys should all be lobbying to stay in school as long as possible now as most of them will never make these amounts as pros.
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Post by hoyasaxaphone on May 3, 2023 10:30:26 GMT -5
THAT is the absolute truth! Interesting that, for many players, they may well have a higher value in college than in professional athletics. That seems wrong on so many levels.
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Post by professorhoya on May 3, 2023 10:32:18 GMT -5
Yeah it was obvious we told Hunter that we are no longer interested. Otherwise he could have eliminated us and gone from 5 to 4 schools on his podcast instead of just announcing an announcement. Hunter is a really good college player but is way overvalued now due to the bidding war compared to other players. If you use Moneyball/Bill James Sabermetrics Hunter is no longer a good value. Need to go after the Scott Hatterbergs like that NOrth Dakota kid or entice one of Kentuckys four disgruntled centers who are being passed over for Hunter to enter the portal.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 3, 2023 10:43:04 GMT -5
Yeah it was obvious we told Hunter that we are no longer interested. Otherwise he could have eliminated us and gone from 5 to 4 schools on his podcast instead of just announcing an announcement. Hunter is a really good college player but is way overvalued now due to the bidding war compared to other players. If you use Moneyball/Bill James Sabermetrics Hunter is no longer a good value. Need to go after the Scott Hatterbergs like that NOrth Dakota kid or entice one of Kentuckys four disgruntled centers who are being passed over for Hunter to enter the portal. I hope that is the plan. Go after good 2/3 year kids who are being passed over. Collins or Onyenso would be cool.
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Post by LoudSoundOfREBOUND on May 3, 2023 11:35:40 GMT -5
Yeah it was obvious we told Hunter that we are no longer interested. Otherwise he could have eliminated us and gone from 5 to 4 schools on his podcast instead of just announcing an announcement. Hunter is a really good college player but is way overvalued now due to the bidding war compared to other players. If you use Moneyball/Bill James Sabermetrics Hunter is no longer a good value. Need to go after the Scott Hatterbergs like that NOrth Dakota kid or entice one of Kentuckys four disgruntled centers who are being passed over for Hunter to enter the portal. Wish we had a Tejada, Mulder, Zito, Hudson, and Chavez to fall back on
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Post by 95hoya on May 3, 2023 12:37:51 GMT -5
Hunter wasn’t interested in Georgetown. Timing didn’t work out. He respects Cooley but did not want to rebuild. All things equal he would choose MD. He’d be coming home and playing with a former teammate and coach he thinks he can win a lot with. But they are not offering as much NIL. Kentucky is offering a lot more and Calipari can convince any kid he can make them an NBA player. But that roster is very young and playing with a couples OADs who want to showcase themselves is a concern. Someone I know says it’s those two schools.
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Post by 95hoya on May 3, 2023 13:01:06 GMT -5
Also Nova might be in trouble with Neptune. Moore was set to leave until they dropped a big bag. They are rumored to have offered Dickinson the biggest bag. Their recruiting isn’t so hot, they were bad last year. And Wright is still very active in the program. Seems like a bit of desperation and lack on confidence in Neptune to steer the ship himself.
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Post by trotters10 on May 3, 2023 13:17:04 GMT -5
Hunter wasn’t interested in Georgetown. Timing didn’t work out. He respects Cooley but did not want to rebuild. All things equal he would choose MD. He’d be coming home and playing with a former teammate and coach he thinks he can win a lot with. But they are not offering as much NIL. Kentucky is offering a lot more and Calipari can convince any kid he can make them an NBA player. But that roster is very young and playing with a couples OADs who want to showcase themselves is a concern. Someone I know says it’s those two schools. Timing definitely didn't work out. If Georgetown is in a solid spot (like a Maryland is right now), I think odds are Hunter would've picked G'Town to be coached by Cooley for his final year(s) of college ball. He was huge Cooley fan, and his family was tight with Ivan Thomas as well. Unfortunately, 2-38 is too deep a hole to sell Hunter on, even for Cooley and Thomas. I've seen Iowa State portal it's way out of really bad seasons before, but even they weren't ever as pathetic as the Hoyas were the last 2 seasons. On the bright side, I think everyone here is pretty confident Ed will have this turned around within 2-4 seasons and we'll be a good squad, and then we can start being a serious contender for portal entries like a Dickinson. Grant Nelson. Jordan Dingle types.
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on May 3, 2023 16:38:45 GMT -5
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Post by bulletinman1 on May 3, 2023 17:03:13 GMT -5
Dude, what are you talking about. Moore needs another year of rehab to help himself get into the NBA. They have just received commitments from Hakim Hart and Bamba . In the hunt for Dickinson because of NIL and Moore's friendship from DeMatha.
Nova was bad? They finished 17-17 in a down year for them. The Hoyas would have killed for that. I know everyone wants to celebrate Nova's 'down year', but give me a break, they've carried the Big East for the last 10 years. Are you watching the NBA Playoffs- last night Brunson and Hart led the Knicks over Kyle Lowry and the Heat. DiVincenzo has played big minutes this year for the Warriors. Mikal Bridges was they key stud in the KD trade from the Suns to the Nets. Where are the Hoyas?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 3, 2023 17:57:01 GMT -5
THAT is the absolute truth! Interesting that, for many players, they may well have a higher value in college than in professional athletics. That seems wrong on so many levels. That's because the value is assessed in different ways. As a professional basketball player, for example, NBA, G League, Europe, etc. you are generally assessed on your skill and ability as a basketball player. And you are largely paid commiserate with that value (there are some exceptions relating to NBA minimums, NBA draft pick guaranteed money, really bad contracts, guys in decline, etc.). Or at least that's the goal--obviously NBA teams make bad contracts, just as teams in every professional sport do. Dickinson's value is related to his skill as a player, of course, but the big difference here is that professional teams have owners who ultimately do have a bottom line. As a professional owner, you're not going to throw someone 50% more than their market value generally (someone dumb like the 1980s George Steinbrenner might, though) for a professional player because otherwise the owner won't get a good return on investment. But, here, there is no "return on investment" economically, because the donors are giving NIL money for very little in return (it's supposed to be for the NIL value, but these deals are way in excess of that). So, unlike professional sports, the "bottom line" is just what donors are willing to throw around. There is zero cost to the university other than those perhaps related to alumni relations, etc. And the bidding war aspect just juices the whole thing up. Of course, that happens with professionals, too.
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Post by 95hoya on May 3, 2023 22:04:11 GMT -5
Dude, what are you talking about. Moore needs another year of rehab to help himself get into the NBA. They have just received commitments from Hakim Hart and Bamba . In the hunt for Dickinson because of NIL and Moore's friendship from DeMatha. Nova was bad? They finished 17-17 in a down year for them. The Hoyas would have killed for that. I know everyone wants to celebrate Nova's 'down year', but give me a break, they've carried the Big East for the last 10 years. Are you watching the NBA Playoffs- last night Brunson and Hart led the Knicks over Kyle Lowry and the Heat. DiVincenzo has played big minutes this year for the Warriors. Mikal Bridges was they key stud in the KD trade from the Suns to the Nets. Where are the Hoyas? What does any of that have to do with Kyle Neptune? It’s a new era, Jay Wright is not coaching anymore. There’s a lot of early red flags is all I am saying.
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Post by xpathoya on May 3, 2023 22:28:22 GMT -5
As a professional owner, you're not going to throw someone 50% more than their market value generally (someone dumb like the 1980s George Steinbrenner might, though) for a professional player because otherwise the owner won't get a good return on investment. But, here, there is no "return on investment" economically, because the donors are giving NIL money for very little in return (it's supposed to be for the NIL value, but these deals are way in excess of that). So, unlike professional sports, the "bottom line" is just what donors are willing to throw around. There is zero cost to the university other than those perhaps related to alumni relations, etc. Are NIL deals pretty much like investing in NFTs now? It seems like there's very little intrinsic value for the big money donors outside of the bragging rights, insider perks, and the prestige of being able to vicariously claim ownership over a chunk of their favorite program's history. I'd rather we play it safe, diversify our risk, and let the market correct itself from the Hunter bubble before blowing our wad of cash on any single piece.
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Post by xpathoya on May 3, 2023 22:34:24 GMT -5
Oh BTW:
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Post by daveg023 on May 4, 2023 6:03:25 GMT -5
My guess is Kansas or Nova. Really hope it's Kansas...
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Post by bulletinman1 on May 4, 2023 6:30:49 GMT -5
My point was Neptune was put into the job rather hastily and had to react. Some poor decisions, some better decisions. The team finished at .500 - typical Nova, no - but a good recovery nonetheless.
Neptune was involved with the recruiting of many of these guys in the NBA, he's got a track record. Seems like Hakim Hart and Bamba belied in the program to commit there.
We all know Jay's gone - clearly a great run, but need to move on. The fact that is is still connected to the program is a positive. Time will tell, just like Cooley's relocation to Georgetown will as well.
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