EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 23, 2023 13:04:33 GMT -5
The team that will take the court is in good hands, unfortunately the program as a whole isn't as long as the administration stays the same. I'll patiently wait for the entire staff to be announced, then we'll know more on how much pull Cooley actually has... Like you, I was concerned about the influence the administration/Ronny would have, but I feel much better about it than I did before the press conference. Cooley doesn't strike me as the type of personality to wilt or let himself get run over. He's also coached long enough (unlike Ewing) to know how he wants things, and I don't think he'll look kindly on anybody telling him what to do. As for DeGioia, there's a very good chance Cooley will outlast him simply because of age and because DeGioia has been around so long that his days are likely numbered. I feel better about our program than I have in a long time. I think Cooley gets it, and I think to the extent Lee Reed has more influence over the program, that's a good thing. To me, there isn't an RT without the administration, more to the point without JDG. The fact that Reed couldn't give a definitive answer on a staff member that won 2 BE games in two years is concerning. Cooley had no problem talking about the offers he put out to his assistants which tell us that Nickelberry, Crouch & Baldwin are gone, we'll know soon on RT, Howze, Hill & others I'll give the benefit of the doubt until the staff is complete
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 23, 2023 13:07:18 GMT -5
Lee Reed is taking a more prominent role and that’s a good thing. He “gets it”. How do we know this for sure? I get that he was out front at the presser but that's PR stuff in my view
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 23, 2023 13:11:39 GMT -5
Of course, like the rest of us, you haven't the slightest clue of what part Ronny Thompson played in any decision made by the program since he has been employed there. We can all agree that his shadow employment has always been a bad look, and really upset folks as the teams fortunes sank to the depths. Other than that, it's just whining to whine, imo. Well, let's see what we do know: - Ronnie left Georgetown for Arkansas as an assistant, and took a recruit with him (and fair game, but let's not act like he's all about Georgetown, either). - Ronnie was an abysmal failure at Ball State, and his departure rendered him so toxic that his head coaching career was over after one year. - There were reports that Ewing's communications director got pushed out by Ronny being toxic, and nobody has disputed that or defended Ronnie. - Chris Wright specifically talked negatively about Ronnie. Just a few days ago, even after the Cooley hire, Wright also said he hoped Ronnie was gone. Chris Wright was involved in Roy Hibbert's workouts with Ronnie (preparing for the draft), so Wright knew the guy. - That the university Ronnie's his job title and involvement until outed tells me the university had reasons they didn't want people to know. - Over the last year when there has been a lot of ire focused on Ronnie, I literally cannot remember anybody--on the record--defending the guy. - Ronnie was indisputably the Chief of Staff for two of the worst years of Georgetown basketball (once the university was caught and had to reveal his existence). And he was reported to have been one of the brains behind hiring Nickelberry, trying (and failing) to bring back Broadus, and possibly trying the failed attempt to get Jordan Brooks. These facts alone (especially the last point), in my view, are enough for me to say Ronnie Thompson should have nothing to do with the program going forward. I cannot believe that we just hired Cooley, have all this optimism, and there are people here who want Ronnie to stay involved. To me, if you are making that argument you are either (a) Ronnie, (b) Ronnie's family and friends, or (c) you like the Thompson's more than Georgetown. d) don't particularly care either way Golly 2003, can't we flip the script on the constant negativity? Let's give peace a chance, shall we? Do it for Ed!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 23, 2023 13:17:50 GMT -5
Well, let's see what we do know: - Ronnie left Georgetown for Arkansas as an assistant, and took a recruit with him (and fair game, but let's not act like he's all about Georgetown, either). - Ronnie was an abysmal failure at Ball State, and his departure rendered him so toxic that his head coaching career was over after one year. - There were reports that Ewing's communications director got pushed out by Ronny being toxic, and nobody has disputed that or defended Ronnie. - Chris Wright specifically talked negatively about Ronnie. Just a few days ago, even after the Cooley hire, Wright also said he hoped Ronnie was gone. Chris Wright was involved in Roy Hibbert's workouts with Ronnie (preparing for the draft), so Wright knew the guy. - That the university Ronnie's his job title and involvement until outed tells me the university had reasons they didn't want people to know. - Over the last year when there has been a lot of ire focused on Ronnie, I literally cannot remember anybody--on the record--defending the guy. - Ronnie was indisputably the Chief of Staff for two of the worst years of Georgetown basketball (once the university was caught and had to reveal his existence). And he was reported to have been one of the brains behind hiring Nickelberry, trying (and failing) to bring back Broadus, and possibly trying the failed attempt to get Jordan Brooks. These facts alone (especially the last point), in my view, are enough for me to say Ronnie Thompson should have nothing to do with the program going forward. I cannot believe that we just hired Cooley, have all this optimism, and there are people here who want Ronnie to stay involved. To me, if you are making that argument you are either (a) Ronnie, (b) Ronnie's family and friends, or (c) you like the Thompson's more than Georgetown. d) don't particularly care either way Golly 2003, can't we flip the script on the constant negativity? Let's give peace a chance, shall we? Do it for Ed! I've said now at least two times on here that I am very optimistic and looking forward to the future. So I am with Ed.
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 23, 2023 13:25:36 GMT -5
d) don't particularly care either way Golly 2003, can't we flip the script on the constant negativity? Let's give peace a chance, shall we? Do it for Ed! I've said now at least two times on here that I am very optimistic and looking forward to the future. So I am with Ed. Xlent! Me too!
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 23, 2023 13:28:11 GMT -5
Like you, I was concerned about the influence the administration/Ronny would have, but I feel much better about it than I did before the press conference. Cooley doesn't strike me as the type of personality to wilt or let himself get run over. He's also coached long enough (unlike Ewing) to know how he wants things, and I don't think he'll look kindly on anybody telling him what to do. As for DeGioia, there's a very good chance Cooley will outlast him simply because of age and because DeGioia has been around so long that his days are likely numbered. I feel better about our program than I have in a long time. I think Cooley gets it, and I think to the extent Lee Reed has more influence over the program, that's a good thing. To me, there isn't an RT without the administration, more to the point without JDG. The fact that Reed couldn't give a definitive answer on a staff member that won 2 BE games in two years is concerning. Cooley had no problem talking about the offers he put out to his assistants which tell us that Nickelberry, Crouch & Baldwin are gone, we'll know soon on RT, Howze, Hill & others I'll give the benefit of the doubt until the staff is complete Totally agree with your point about the main 3 assistants being gone, given what we know. I do think Hill is probably safe, given that officially his title is "Associate Athetics Director for Sports Performance" and he oversees all 29 sports, not just men's basketball. guhoyas.com/staff-directory/michael-hill/241I would hope Coach Cooley brings in his own guys for the positions now held by Ronny (although I don't know that the Chief of Staff role needs to get filled), Howze, Hamilton and Horne. Also nobody related to Patrick Ewing should be drawing a paycheck from Georgetown anymore, besides of course the $12M Patrick, Sr. is getting to go away.
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Post by DonkDonk on Mar 23, 2023 13:44:41 GMT -5
Must have been a promise that Jack made to JT2. Word is (I’m third hand) that he’s staying. In what function Donk? I don’t know. Hopefully, Ronnie’s not involved in making actual decisions regarding the program. As a friend said, maybe he’ll just be special assistant or some type of “liaison” without any real function. Which is fine by me. Jack has the money from somewhere. l fully trust that Cooley will handle it all properly. I am extremely excited for Ed to make his mark! Haven’t been this pumped for the Hoyas in years. I really think we got an excellent coach and leader.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 23, 2023 13:45:40 GMT -5
To me, there isn't an RT without the administration, more to the point without JDG. The fact that Reed couldn't give a definitive answer on a staff member that won 2 BE games in two years is concerning. Cooley had no problem talking about the offers he put out to his assistants which tell us that Nickelberry, Crouch & Baldwin are gone, we'll know soon on RT, Howze, Hill & others I'll give the benefit of the doubt until the staff is complete Totally agree with your point about the main 3 assistants being gone, given what we know. I do think HIll is probably safe, given that officially his title is "Associate Athetics Director for Sports Performance" and he oversees all 29 sports, not just men's basketball. guhoyas.com/staff-directory/michael-hill/241I would hope Coach Cooley brings in his own guys for the positions now held by Ronny (although I don't know that the Chief of Staff role needs to get filled), Howze, Hamilton and Horne. Also nobody related to Patrick Ewing should be drawing a paycheck from Georgetown anymore, besides of course the $12M Patrick, Sr. is getting to go away. I hear you on Hill but at PC Cooley had an S&C guy solely for MBB
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 23, 2023 13:56:17 GMT -5
To me, there isn't an RT without the administration, more to the point without JDG. The fact that Reed couldn't give a definitive answer on a staff member that won 2 BE games in two years is concerning. Cooley had no problem talking about the offers he put out to his assistants which tell us that Nickelberry, Crouch & Baldwin are gone, we'll know soon on RT, Howze, Hill & others I'll give the benefit of the doubt until the staff is complete Totally agree with your point about the main 3 assistants being gone, given what we know. I do think HIll is probably safe, given that officially his title is "Associate Athetics Director for Sports Performance" and he oversees all 29 sports, not just men's basketball. guhoyas.com/staff-directory/michael-hill/241I would hope Coach Cooley brings in his own guys for the positions now held by Ronny (although I don't know that the Chief of Staff role needs to get filled), Howze, Hamilton and Horne. Also nobody related to Patrick Ewing should be drawing a paycheck from Georgetown anymore, besides of course the $12M Patrick, Sr. is getting to go away. Hill needs to go as well or at least just concentrate on the other sports. We need new blood all the way through. He's been there way too long and I wouldn't say our strength program has been a errrrr strength? (ha)
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 23, 2023 14:22:55 GMT -5
Totally agree with your point about the main 3 assistants being gone, given what we know. I do think HIll is probably safe, given that officially his title is "Associate Athetics Director for Sports Performance" and he oversees all 29 sports, not just men's basketball. guhoyas.com/staff-directory/michael-hill/241I would hope Coach Cooley brings in his own guys for the positions now held by Ronny (although I don't know that the Chief of Staff role needs to get filled), Howze, Hamilton and Horne. Also nobody related to Patrick Ewing should be drawing a paycheck from Georgetown anymore, besides of course the $12M Patrick, Sr. is getting to go away. I hear you on Hill but at PC Cooley had an S&C guy solely for MBB He's been at Providence over 20 years - might be tough to pull him away at this point. friars.com/staff-directory/kenneth-white/211
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Post by hoyajinx on Mar 23, 2023 15:02:37 GMT -5
Irrespective of the veracity of the accusations of RT backstabbing, undermining, etc., there is simply NO reason to keep him on. I absolutely don’t buy the need for continuity during coaching changes. When you go 2-38 in conference over two years, you clean house. What was there wasn’t working in any capacity. He just needs to leave.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 23, 2023 15:12:00 GMT -5
My point is that Cooley should be free to get someone of his choosing
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 23, 2023 15:56:34 GMT -5
My point is that Cooley should be free to get someone of his choosing We can all agree on that. I'm sure if Coach Cooley sees Ronny as the boogeyman like y'all do, he won't be here.
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Post by 3xhoya on Mar 23, 2023 17:40:11 GMT -5
There is no reason for anybody who was remotely involved for the last 6 seasons to be anywhere near the day to day of the program. They can join all the other basketball alumni and participate in the same way as the rest.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 23, 2023 20:06:27 GMT -5
My point is that Cooley should be free to get someone of his choosing We can all agree on that. I'm sure if Coach Cooley sees Ronny as the boogeyman like y'all do, he won't be here. It's not about Ronny being a boogeyman, It's about the new coach not having to do favors for even the president of the university. Allow Cooley to have a blank slate in which to start the program rebuild
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 24, 2023 8:52:42 GMT -5
About the 8:20 mark in this interview, Coach Cooley mentions Ronny - hard to imagine ties are going to get cut when the relationship runs deep like this.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 24, 2023 9:06:01 GMT -5
About the 8:20 mark in this interview, Coach Cooley mentions Ronny - hard to imagine ties are going to get cut when the relationship runs deep like this. You just stole that take from me! Donk Donk!
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Post by prhoya on Mar 24, 2023 9:11:05 GMT -5
About the 8:20 mark in this interview, Coach Cooley mentions Ronny - hard to imagine ties are going to get cut when the relationship runs deep like this. I wonder where he was during the Cooley introductory press conference…
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 24, 2023 9:14:12 GMT -5
About the 8:20 mark in this interview, Coach Cooley mentions Ronny - hard to imagine ties are going to get cut when the relationship runs deep like this. I wonder where he was during the Cooley introductory press conference… The powers that be are smart enough to keep him out of the public eye at this point. The questions will be does he still have key card access to the Thompson Center and unfettered access to Capital One Arena on gamedays?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 24, 2023 9:17:39 GMT -5
Well someone has to shoot that T-shirt cannon.
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