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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Mar 28, 2023 20:58:27 GMT -5
How is it risky for Georgetown or Cooley? Worst case scenario Wahab sits and doesn’t play that much. Either way he’s done after this year. I really think some don’t appreciate that even in a horrible situation, with a terrible coach and no structure, Wahab was still very efficient. He isn’t a perfect player but he has some skill. I think much of the disappointment is his failure to improve, but and some of that falls on Wahab surely, but it also falls on Ewing and the staff. For me, the bigger question I cannot answer is does the skill Wahab does have in any way fit with how Cooley wants to play? That I don’t know. Obviously I also have no idea about the “fit” when it comes to other factors like personality. Wahab flaked out when he left right after the BET championship. Really hurt Ewings momentum which eventually led to being fired. Was really disruptive to the program and team. When he came back he was a shell of his former self. Could no longer automatically score down low suddenly couldn’t block shots/rim project or rebound like he did before Maryland. Then didn’t seem to take being benched for Ezeweiro well. I just think the risk of disruption/distraction/negativity is too great compared to the reward for Cooley. He’s a poor fit for Cooley because Cooley likes space eaters at center who are tough, strong and physical. This is one of the easiest ones for me. Left the program. Black hole. Can't stretch.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 28, 2023 23:38:10 GMT -5
How is it risky for Georgetown or Cooley? Worst case scenario Wahab sits and doesn’t play that much. Either way he’s done after this year. I really think some don’t appreciate that even in a horrible situation, with a terrible coach and no structure, Wahab was still very efficient. He isn’t a perfect player but he has some skill. I think much of the disappointment is his failure to improve, but and some of that falls on Wahab surely, but it also falls on Ewing and the staff. For me, the bigger question I cannot answer is does the skill Wahab does have in any way fit with how Cooley wants to play? That I don’t know. Obviously I also have no idea about the “fit” when it comes to other factors like personality. Wahab flaked out when he left right after the BET championship. Really hurt Ewings momentum which eventually led to being fired. Was really disruptive to the program and team. When he came back he was a shell of his former self. Could no longer automatically score down low suddenly couldn’t block shots/rim project or rebound like he did before Maryland. Then didn’t seem to take being benched for Ezeweiro well. I just think the risk of disruption/distraction/negativity is too great compared to the reward for Cooley. He’s a poor fit for Cooley because Cooley likes space eaters at center who are tough, strong and physical. I did think it was odd that Wahab left after 2021, but I am not sure I'd say he "flaked out." I am sure he had his reasons, and quite frankly, given the disaster that 2021-2022 became, it's possible Wahab saw the writing on the wall. The 2021-2022 team would have obviously been better had Wahab stayed, but it would have still been a really bad team. We also don't know why Wahab "left" this season especially since he came back. I am sure it wasn't easy coming back and coming off the bench, but he did. He didn't just quit. That makes me think he really did miss those games for reasons unrelated to Ezewiro. In any event, we don't know, and I think my position is just as reasonable as yours on whether he left this year because of Ezewiro or not. On Wahab's performance, you're just wrong on many of these: - professorhoya: "Could no longer automatically score down low" - Wahab shot 71.2% from two this year, anbd 67.3% in 2021. So, he shot better. He was also more efficient. - professorhoya: "suddenly couldn’t block shots/rim project or rebound like he did before Maryland." Yes, and no. Wahab's block rated did fall from 6.2 in 2021, to 4.2 in 2022 to 3.3 in 2023. So you're right about that. On rebounding though, Wahab rebounded better offensively this year than in the past by rebound rate, and his defensive rebounding rate in 2023 was only slightly under 2021. I would add Wahab improved over 2021 in other ways, including a much lower turnover rate, a slightly higher (but still not great) assist rate, and he got to the line more frequently than in 2021, too. He also shot free throws at a higher percentage than in 2021. Was Wahab's defense overall worse this year? Probably, but Georgetown as a team was WAY worse in 2023 than 2021, and Wahab was on both teams, so you cannot put that all on Wahab. Obviously, hi sblocking was worse. I don't know Wahab or his personality, and I don't know if Cooley feels like he can use Wahab in a better way than Ewing. But, if Cooley does want him, I would welcome him back with open arms. In fact, after going through this exercise, it makes me want him to stay (if Cooley wants him back) more. If he was as efficient as he was given the dumpster fire he was dealing with in our team and coaching last year, I think in a real system he could really excel.
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Post by bluechi on Mar 29, 2023 6:32:42 GMT -5
Wahab flaked out when he left right after the BET championship. Really hurt Ewings momentum which eventually led to being fired. Was really disruptive to the program and team. When he came back he was a shell of his former self. Could no longer automatically score down low suddenly couldn’t block shots/rim project or rebound like he did before Maryland. Then didn’t seem to take being benched for Ezeweiro well. I just think the risk of disruption/distraction/negativity is too great compared to the reward for Cooley. He’s a poor fit for Cooley because Cooley likes space eaters at center who are tough, strong and physical. This is one of the easiest ones for me. Left the program. Black hole. Can't stretch. I disagree.
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Post by Omega on Mar 29, 2023 7:00:23 GMT -5
Do the Hoyas have a big to bang with UConn? Wahab held his own in the first UConn game ..
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 29, 2023 7:15:16 GMT -5
Wahab flaked out when he left right after the BET championship. Really hurt Ewings momentum which eventually led to being fired. Was really disruptive to the program and team. When he came back he was a shell of his former self. Could no longer automatically score down low suddenly couldn’t block shots/rim project or rebound like he did before Maryland. Then didn’t seem to take being benched for Ezeweiro well. I just think the risk of disruption/distraction/negativity is too great compared to the reward for Cooley. He’s a poor fit for Cooley because Cooley likes space eaters at center who are tough, strong and physical. I did think it was odd that Wahab left after 2021, but I am not sure I'd say he "flaked out." I am sure he had his reasons, and quite frankly, given the disaster that 2021-2022 became, it's possible Wahab saw the writing on the wall. The 2021-2022 team would have obviously been better had Wahab stayed, but it would have still been a really bad team. We also don't know why Wahab "left" this season especially since he came back. I am sure it wasn't easy coming back and coming off the bench, but he did. He didn't just quit. That makes me think he really did miss those games for reasons unrelated to Ezewiro. In any event, we don't know, and I think my position is just as reasonable as yours on whether he left this year because of Ezewiro or not. On Wahab's performance, you're just wrong on many of these: - professorhoya: "Could no longer automatically score down low" - Wahab shot 71.2% from two this year, anbd 67.3% in 2021. So, he shot better. He was also more efficient. - professorhoya: "suddenly couldn’t block shots/rim project or rebound like he did before Maryland." Yes, and no. Wahab's block rated did fall from 6.2 in 2021, to 4.2 in 2022 to 3.3 in 2023. So you're right about that. On rebounding though, Wahab rebounded better offensively this year than in the past by rebound rate, and his defensive rebounding rate in 2023 was only slightly under 2021. I would add Wahab improved over 2021 in other ways, including a much lower turnover rate, a slightly higher (but still not great) assist rate, and he got to the line more frequently than in 2021, too. He also shot free throws at a higher percentage than in 2021. Was Wahab's defense overall worse this year? Probably, but Georgetown as a team was WAY worse in 2023 than 2021, and Wahab was on both teams, so you cannot put that all on Wahab. Obviously, hi sblocking was worse. I don't know Wahab or his personality, and I don't know if Cooley feels like he can use Wahab in a better way than Ewing. But, if Cooley does want him, I would welcome him back with open arms. In fact, after going through this exercise, it makes me want him to stay (if Cooley wants him back) more. If he was as efficient as he was given the dumpster fire he was dealing with in our team and coaching last year, I think in a real system he could really excel. He left after he won the BET championship and made the tournament. That is highly unusual and flakey. Makes him a risk for Cooley. Your Rick Pitino would get rid of him and is already cleaning house. You never even liked the guy because he doesn’t have a “modern” game and doesn’t shoot 3s. You cherry pick some stats but he isn’t the same player he was pre Maryland. Pre Maryland he was a low post monster, rebounder and rim protector. His FG% was 58 and 59% pre Maryland. That’s very important for him because all he does is score down low. He was 51% last year. Huge difference. He was at 1.6 blocks sophomore season. Now at .7 blocks. He no longer protects the rim. And not as good a rebounder anymore either. Anyone with size or strength or length has always given him trouble and now there are a bunch of guys bigger and stronger than him. Sanogo, Clingan, Nungee, Dixon, His production is way down and he’s a flake risk plus has the losing mentality/culture. When you are rebuilding a program this is the type of guy that you have to clean out because losing and negativity is infectious. Lampkin, Kentucky transfer center are better options and you also have to account for keeping Mutombo. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/qudus-wahab-1.html
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 29, 2023 7:16:02 GMT -5
Do the Hoyas have a big to bang with UConn? Wahab held his own in the first UConn game .. Lambkin Kentucky transfer center Mutombo You can’t keep 4 centers
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Post by bigskyhoya on Mar 29, 2023 9:07:32 GMT -5
"Wahab flaked out when he left right after the BET championship. Really hurt Ewings momentum which eventually led to being fired"
I hadn't realized until reading your post that all of Ewing's countless failings including, ironically, player retention, should be attributed to Wahab. Brilliant insight!
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Post by Omega on Mar 29, 2023 9:59:43 GMT -5
I did think it was odd that Wahab left after 2021, but I am not sure I'd say he "flaked out." I am sure he had his reasons, and quite frankly, given the disaster that 2021-2022 became, it's possible Wahab saw the writing on the wall. The 2021-2022 team would have obviously been better had Wahab stayed, but it would have still been a really bad team. We also don't know why Wahab "left" this season especially since he came back. I am sure it wasn't easy coming back and coming off the bench, but he did. He didn't just quit. That makes me think he really did miss those games for reasons unrelated to Ezewiro. In any event, we don't know, and I think my position is just as reasonable as yours on whether he left this year because of Ezewiro or not. On Wahab's performance, you're just wrong on many of these: - professorhoya: "Could no longer automatically score down low" - Wahab shot 71.2% from two this year, anbd 67.3% in 2021. So, he shot better. He was also more efficient. - professorhoya: "suddenly couldn’t block shots/rim project or rebound like he did before Maryland." Yes, and no. Wahab's block rated did fall from 6.2 in 2021, to 4.2 in 2022 to 3.3 in 2023. So you're right about that. On rebounding though, Wahab rebounded better offensively this year than in the past by rebound rate, and his defensive rebounding rate in 2023 was only slightly under 2021. I would add Wahab improved over 2021 in other ways, including a much lower turnover rate, a slightly higher (but still not great) assist rate, and he got to the line more frequently than in 2021, too. He also shot free throws at a higher percentage than in 2021. Was Wahab's defense overall worse this year? Probably, but Georgetown as a team was WAY worse in 2023 than 2021, and Wahab was on both teams, so you cannot put that all on Wahab. Obviously, hi sblocking was worse. I don't know Wahab or his personality, and I don't know if Cooley feels like he can use Wahab in a better way than Ewing. But, if Cooley does want him, I would welcome him back with open arms. In fact, after going through this exercise, it makes me want him to stay (if Cooley wants him back) more. If he was as efficient as he was given the dumpster fire he was dealing with in our team and coaching last year, I think in a real system he could really excel. He left after he won the BET championship and made the tournament. That is highly unusual and flakey. Makes him a risk for Cooley. Your Rick Pitino would get rid of him and is already cleaning house. You never even liked the guy because he doesn’t have a “modern” game and doesn’t shoot 3s. You cherry pick some stats but he isn’t the same player he was pre Maryland. Pre Maryland he was a low post monster, rebounder and rim protector. His FG% was 58 and 59% pre Maryland. That’s very important for him because all he does is score down low. He was 51% last year. Huge difference. He was at 1.6 blocks sophomore season. Now at .7 blocks. He no longer protects the rim. And not as good a rebounder anymore either. Anyone with size or strength or length has always given him trouble and now there are a bunch of guys bigger and stronger than him. Sanogo, Clingan, Nungee, Dixon, His production is way down and he’s a flake risk plus has the losing mentality/culture. When you are rebuilding a program this is the type of guy that you have to clean out because losing and negativity is infectious. Lampkin, Kentucky transfer center are better options and you also have to account for keeping Mutombo. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/qudus-wahab-1.htmlUm what? Did I miss a commitment of Lampkin to GU. So how exactly is he a better option?
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Post by Omega on Mar 29, 2023 10:00:55 GMT -5
He left after he won the BET championship and made the tournament. That is highly unusual and flakey. Makes him a risk for Cooley. Your Rick Pitino would get rid of him and is already cleaning house. You never even liked the guy because he doesn’t have a “modern” game and doesn’t shoot 3s. You cherry pick some stats but he isn’t the same player he was pre Maryland. Pre Maryland he was a low post monster, rebounder and rim protector. His FG% was 58 and 59% pre Maryland. That’s very important for him because all he does is score down low. He was 51% last year. Huge difference. He was at 1.6 blocks sophomore season. Now at .7 blocks. He no longer protects the rim. And not as good a rebounder anymore either. Anyone with size or strength or length has always given him trouble and now there are a bunch of guys bigger and stronger than him. Sanogo, Clingan, Nungee, Dixon, His production is way down and he’s a flake risk plus has the losing mentality/culture. When you are rebuilding a program this is the type of guy that you have to clean out because losing and negativity is infectious. Lampkin, Kentucky transfer center are better options and you also have to account for keeping Mutombo. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/qudus-wahab-1.htmlUm what? Did I miss a commitment from Lampkin or the KY option to GU. So how exactly is he a better option?
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Post by Omega on Mar 29, 2023 10:01:30 GMT -5
Um what? Did I miss a commitment from Lampkin or the KY option to GU. So how exactly are they better options?
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Post by cas92 on Mar 29, 2023 10:07:06 GMT -5
"Wahab flaked out when he left right after the BET championship. Really hurt Ewings momentum which eventually led to being fired" I hadn't realized until reading your post that all of Ewing's countless failings including, ironically, player retention, should be attributed to Wahab. Brilliant insight! The sophistry engineered to evade (blatantly obvious) culpability the past 6 seasons has been quite something to behold.
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Post by Omega on Mar 29, 2023 10:07:58 GMT -5
Do the Hoyas have a big to bang with UConn? Wahab held his own in the first UConn game .. Lambkin Kentucky transfer center Mutombo You can’t keep 4 centers When did Lambkin and KY transfer join the roster?
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Post by Omega on Mar 29, 2023 10:11:08 GMT -5
"Wahab flaked out when he left right after the BET championship. Really hurt Ewings momentum which eventually led to being fired" I hadn't realized until reading your post that all of Ewing's countless failings including, ironically, player retention, should be attributed to Wahab. Brilliant insight! The sophistry engineered to evade (blatantly obvious) culpability the past 6 seasons has been quite something to behold. I don't think its too big of a stretch to say it hurt momentum. Obviously it's not the only reason, but it did hurt.
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Post by wolveribe on Mar 29, 2023 11:10:52 GMT -5
Obviously all we have is possibly Wahab and Mutombo at the moment. Wahab doesn't strike me as a guy that Cooley would be interested in keeping. He's poor on defense and needs the ball in his hands on offense to contribute anything. He's an ok low post scorer and a good rebounder.
Im hoping the rumors of the Kentucky center and Lampkin are true and we can pair them with Mutumbo.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Mar 29, 2023 11:36:02 GMT -5
Do the Hoyas have a big to bang with UConn? Wahab held his own in the first UConn game .. Lambkin Kentucky transfer center Mutombo You can’t keep 4 centers Even though we did a short time ago.... ; )
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Post by bigskyhoya on Mar 29, 2023 11:46:24 GMT -5
The sophistry engineered to evade (blatantly obvious) culpability the past 6 seasons has been quite something to behold. I don't think its too big of a stretch to say it hurt momentum. Obviously it's not the only reason, but it did hurt. True, but the Coach's decision to bring Wahab back hurt almost as much as Wahab's decision to leave.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 29, 2023 11:55:54 GMT -5
Lambkin Kentucky transfer center Mutombo You can’t keep 4 centers Even though we did a short time ago.... ; ) And how did that work out
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Post by BeantownHoya on Mar 29, 2023 12:03:04 GMT -5
Even though we did a short time ago.... ; ) And how did that work out Sorry who is the Kentucky transfer that keeps getting mentioned as almost a done deal but we don't have a name for?
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Mar 29, 2023 12:06:43 GMT -5
Even though we did a short time ago.... ; ) And how did that work out I'm agreeing with you.
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Post by cas92 on Mar 29, 2023 12:07:07 GMT -5
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