HoyaNyr320
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Mar 6, 2023 6:26:30 GMT -5
It will be by "mutual agreement" of course. But the simple fact that as far as anyone can tell there has been no serious recruiting for months says everything we need to know. Keeping Patrick would mean outright revolt by the fan base - organized protests, slashed booster support, attendance figures in the low hundreds, and constant media ridicule. Whether it’s a mutual agreement or not the board does not care about the fanbase protesting. And therein lies the problem. See, for a program to be successful you have to have these things called “fans” and “boosters”. They are the ones that buy “tickets” and give “donations”. If you do not have “fans” and “boosters”, then you can’t afford to pay for practice facilities, transportation, and…. oh right…. the coach’s salary. So yeah, I think the board may in fact care about what the fans and boosters think about the current situation.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 6, 2023 6:58:57 GMT -5
Ok this has been painful. BUT. How can any true hoya fan even consider routing for nova vs our Hoyas. Do you not respect tradition and history. ? So MEANARYWAYUP go Hoyas. . You never know . Let’s at least have one good Hoya game. This is nova. We are georgetown . One point OR OT ! Win one and gave SOME. Fun! Yup tgen we can begin again! Nuf said .
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 6, 2023 7:26:35 GMT -5
Well said Lic, as always! GO HOYAS!!!
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Post by calhoya on Mar 6, 2023 7:55:47 GMT -5
I always root for a Hoya win and while I understand some of the paranoia about the Administration acting irrationally to justify retention of Ewing should he have a run of luck, that really seems too far-fetched even for this current leadership team. Of course, I do not expect a win and given the recent trajectories of the two teams I expect a blowout loss, but hope springs eternal.
My biggest fear is that the alpha players on the Hoyas will see Wednesday as one last opportunity to audition for their next team. If that is the case it will be a 3 on 5 game at best and the outcome is determined in the first 5 minutes. Then the issue will be what happens in the stands as the few Hoya faithful who show up cannot be threatened or ejected by the Hoya leadership for signs or venting their frustration over the past 6 years in MSG. Hopefully it does not occur as there is little to be gained at this point from further denigrating the program or the coaches or players. It's not like anyone needs to hear from a few fans to know what a disaster this has been for many years now.
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TC
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Post by TC on Mar 6, 2023 8:23:21 GMT -5
I always root for a Hoya win and while I understand some of the paranoia about the Administration acting irrationally to justify retention of Ewing should he have a run of luck, that really seems too far-fetched even for this current leadership team. Of course, I do not expect a win and given the recent trajectories of the two teams I expect a blowout loss, but hope springs eternal. My biggest fear is that the alpha players on the Hoyas will see Wednesday as one last opportunity to audition for their next team. If that is the case it will be a 3 on 5 game at best and the outcome is determined in the first 5 minutes. Then the issue will be what happens in the stands as the few Hoya faithful who show up cannot be threatened or ejected by the Hoya leadership for signs or venting their frustration over the past 6 years in MSG. Hopefully it does not occur as there is little to be gained at this point from further denigrating the program or the coaches or players. It's not like anyone needs to hear from a few fans to know what a disaster this has been for many years now. This is why I think you see an announcement today or tomorrow. It guarantees the reception the administration wants, guarantees no embarrassing signs, etc.
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madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on Mar 6, 2023 9:46:32 GMT -5
Do you not respect tradition and history? Love you LIC, but the question above needs to be answered by Jack,
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 6, 2023 9:49:51 GMT -5
I always root for a Hoya win and while I understand some of the paranoia about the Administration acting irrationally to justify retention of Ewing should he have a run of luck, that really seems too far-fetched even for this current leadership team. Of course, I do not expect a win and given the recent trajectories of the two teams I expect a blowout loss, but hope springs eternal. My biggest fear is that the alpha players on the Hoyas will see Wednesday as one last opportunity to audition for their next team. If that is the case it will be a 3 on 5 game at best and the outcome is determined in the first 5 minutes. Then the issue will be what happens in the stands as the few Hoya faithful who show up cannot be threatened or ejected by the Hoya leadership for signs or venting their frustration over the past 6 years in MSG. Hopefully it does not occur as there is little to be gained at this point from further denigrating the program or the coaches or players. It's not like anyone needs to hear from a few fans to know what a disaster this has been for many years now. This is why I think you see an announcement today or tomorrow. It guarantees the reception the administration wants, guarantees no embarrassing signs, etc. I hope you’re right but I’ll be surprised if an announcement is made prior to the game, hard for me to see PE or anyone from Gtown answering questions about the move at the BET in front of national media. My sense is they’re waiting for the BE tournament to be over completely before announcing.
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Post by hoyajmw on Mar 6, 2023 9:52:41 GMT -5
I always root for a Hoya win and while I understand some of the paranoia about the Administration acting irrationally to justify retention of Ewing should he have a run of luck, that really seems too far-fetched even for this current leadership team. Of course, I do not expect a win and given the recent trajectories of the two teams I expect a blowout loss, but hope springs eternal. My biggest fear is that the alpha players on the Hoyas will see Wednesday as one last opportunity to audition for their next team. If that is the case it will be a 3 on 5 game at best and the outcome is determined in the first 5 minutes. Then the issue will be what happens in the stands as the few Hoya faithful who show up cannot be threatened or ejected by the Hoya leadership for signs or venting their frustration over the past 6 years in MSG. Hopefully it does not occur as there is little to be gained at this point from further denigrating the program or the coaches or players. It's not like anyone needs to hear from a few fans to know what a disaster this has been for many years now. This is why I think you see an announcement today or tomorrow. It guarantees the reception the administration wants, guarantees no embarrassing signs, etc. Remember the only “embarrassment” that means anything to Jack is Patrick’s (otherwise how could we possibly be where we are now?) and my thinking is Patrick would find it more embarrassing to have to coach as a lame duck and/or have to face a press scrum over how it all fell apart than for there to be a few signs that MSG still might choose to confiscate at the behest of GU and/or of their own feelings toward the Knick legend (and frankly, I doubt any of us going will vent with a sign anyway: the goose is clearly already cooked here. Then again, I don’t think any “thanks for the memories” signs will be hoisted) So my money is on Sunday — buried in selection Sunday news and the day before the portal officially opens — via press release only (only because they have to say something— this is still Georgetown) and PE already on an Island someplace and thus will only have to answer questions from handpicked, supportive pals (Wilbon maybe?) at a time he chooses.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 6, 2023 14:42:17 GMT -5
This is why I think you see an announcement today or tomorrow. It guarantees the reception the administration wants, guarantees no embarrassing signs, etc. Remember the only “embarrassment” that means anything to Jack is Patrick’s (otherwise how could we possibly be where we are now?) and my thinking is Patrick would find it more embarrassing to have to coach as a lame duck and/or have to face a press scrum over how it all fell apart than for there to be a few signs that MSG still might choose to confiscate at the behest of GU and/or of their own feelings toward the Knick legend (and frankly, I doubt any of us going will vent with a sign anyway: the goose is clearly already cooked here. Then again, I don’t think any “thanks for the memories” signs will be hoisted) So my money is on Sunday — buried in selection Sunday news and the day before the portal officially opens — via press release only (only because they have to say something— this is still Georgetown) and PE already on an Island someplace and thus will only have to answer questions from handpicked, supportive pals (Wilbon maybe?) at a time he chooses. This. Although I think it could be Friday during the traditional "news dump" window when the media is focused on the conference tourney semis and finals.
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Post by 1427hoya on Mar 6, 2023 17:19:41 GMT -5
Ok this has been painful. BUT. How can any true hoya fan even consider routing for nova vs our Hoyas. Do you not respect tradition and history. ? So MEANARYWAYUP go Hoyas. . You never know . Let’s at least have one good Hoya game. This is nova. We are georgetown . One point OR OT ! Win one and gave SOME. Fun! Yup tgen we can begin again! Nuf said . Love you Lic, But there is too much well-founded belief that JD will not act in the best interest of the program unless he is forced to through humiliation. So that is why people are choosing to cheer for humiliation over the basketball team winning a game that has become meaningless because of their incompetence ("wow, let's get to 3-16, that'll be great"). When people a hoping for a loss, they are hoping for change - not just "to get their way" but because the status quo is a disgrace in performance and in how the team operates from top to bottom. Winning a game provides as cover for an administration acting in bad faith - as indicated by years of evidence showing they are more concerned about employing incompetent friends & family to bloated salaries than being competitive. Many view the current basketball team as being hijacked by corruption and cheering against that team forces people to act against that corruption because of the negative headlines losing generates. The relationship between the University president and the Thompson/Ewing families is so deeply personal, that it adds to the toxic cronyism that has made the program an embarrassing mess. The only hope is that the program becomes so bad that they are forced to change. On a second note, it's hard to cheer for a program that operates in such a corrupt way. It's tough to feel attached to that, or want to be attached to that. As for "history" - you can throw history out the door. - History does not point to any major program bringing back a multi-year coach that was 0-20. - History does not point to any program making secret contract extensions with the coach that include no buyouts. - History does not include making one of the worst coaches in college basketball history one of the highest paid in the game. - History does not point to any program having the unqualified son of the former coach running the team and his appointment was unannounced. - History does not include a serious program that intimidates media from asking legitimate and tough questions - or intimidating fans with signs These are not times that are confined to history because we don't have a program that wants to win. We have a program that wants to employ friends first. Whenever we get to the point of having a serious program again, then we can return to historical norms. It's all very, very sad.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 6, 2023 17:34:48 GMT -5
Ok this has been painful. BUT. How can any true hoya fan even consider routing for nova vs our Hoyas. Do you not respect tradition and history. ? So MEANARYWAYUP go Hoyas. . You never know . Let’s at least have one good Hoya game. This is nova. We are georgetown . One point OR OT ! Win one and gave SOME. Fun! Yup tgen we can begin again! Nuf said . Love you Lic, But there is too much well-founded belief that JD will not act in the best interest of the program unless he is forced to through humiliation. So that is why people are choosing to cheer for humiliation over the basketball team winning a game that has become meaningless because of their incompetence ("wow, let's get to 3-16, that'll be great"). Winning a game provides as cover for an administration acting in bad faith - as indicated by years of evidence showing they are more concerned about employing incompetent friends & family to bloated salaries than being competitive. Many view the current basketball team as being hijacked by corruption and cheering against that team forces people to act against that corruption because of the negative headlines losing generates. The relationship between the University president and the Thompson/Ewing families is so deeply personal, that it adds to the toxic cronyism that has made the program an embarrassing mess. The only hope is that the program becomes so bad that they are forced to change. On a second note, it's hard to cheer for a program that operates in such a corrupt way. It's tough to feel attached to that, or want to be attached to that. As for "history" - you can throw history out the door. History does not point to any major program bringing back a coach that was 0-20. History does not point to any program making secret contract extensions with the coach that include no buyouts. History does not include making one of the worst coaches in college basketball history one of the highest paid in the game. History does not point to any program having the unqualified son of the former coach running the team and his appointment was unannounced. History does not include a serious program that intimidates media from asking legitimate and tough questions - or intimidating fans with signs These are not times that are confined to history because we don't have a program that wants to win. We have a program that wants to employ friends first. Whenever we get to the point of having a serious program again, then we can return to historical norms. It's all very, very sad. Bravo! How ironic that Villanova ended Pat's playing career and can end Pat's coaching career! At MSG! I hate Nova, I'm surrounded by Wildcat neighbors, and I don't want Villanova to win another title of anything until we match them with National Championships and reestablish order in the Big East. But, a day that passes with Pat as our head coach is a day wasted in that pursuit of excellence. Go Cats!
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Post by novafan2 on Mar 6, 2023 18:49:09 GMT -5
I still have my Friends don't let friends go to Georgetown shirt, I don't care if Georgetown is 20-0 or 0-20, It's still Georgetown and I hope Nova runs them out of the gym.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Mar 6, 2023 20:11:43 GMT -5
I still have my Friends don't let friends go to Georgetown shirt, I don't care if Georgetown is 20-0 or 0-20, It's still Georgetown and I hope Nova runs them out of the gym. Yawn
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Post by prhoya on Mar 6, 2023 21:09:38 GMT -5
I still have my Friends don't let friends go to Georgetown shirt, I don't care if Georgetown is 20-0 or 0-20, It's still Georgetown and I hope Nova runs them out of the gym. In this case, it's one step backwards, two or more steps forward... Patrick Ewing is 2-11 vs. Villanova. According to the History Project, we're 46-46 vs. Villanova all-time. They love Patrick in Philly. www.hoyabasketball.com/records/opponents.htmIt's time. Take the loss and stop the madness.
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Omega
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Post by Omega on Mar 7, 2023 7:16:00 GMT -5
Hoyas got this...
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hoyaroc
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Post by hoyaroc on Mar 7, 2023 7:25:06 GMT -5
Anybody rooting for Nova to beat our Hoyas really need to question their loyalty. Let’s go Hoyas beat Nova!
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TC
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Post by TC on Mar 7, 2023 7:26:18 GMT -5
Anybody supporting Nova to beat our Hoyas really need to question their loyalty. Let’s go Hoyas beat Nova! It's really simple - they make the announcement today, everyone is rooting for the Hoyas.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Mar 7, 2023 7:39:53 GMT -5
Anybody rooting for Nova to beat our Hoyas really need to question their loyalty. Let’s go Hoyas beat Nova! True fans are more focused on the future of a program in crisis rather than one meaningless game.
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Post by 1427hoya on Mar 7, 2023 8:55:19 GMT -5
Anybody rooting for Nova to beat our Hoyas really need to question their loyalty. Let’s go Hoyas beat Nova! I actually question the loyalty of people not pushing for change within the basketball program and who are trying to normalize what we've been seeing under Pat & Ronny as business as usual. I'd rather not see JD have an excuse to stick with the current group of failures that have made our program a historic embarrassment. It's reasonable to think JD wants to have a reason to keep Pat and Ronny. Fans are desperate to not give JD that reason. This is what happens when you can't trust the people in charge to do the right thing. The only thing you can hope for to bring about meaningful change is to cheer for humiliation to force the issue. It's sad.
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Post by Omega on Mar 7, 2023 9:26:45 GMT -5
Anybody rooting for Nova to beat our Hoyas really need to question their loyalty. Let’s go Hoyas beat Nova! I actually question the loyalty of people not pushing for change within the basketball program and who are trying to normalize what we've been seeing under Pat & Ronny as business as usual. I'd rather not see JD have an excuse to stick with the current group of failures that have made our program a historic embarrassment. It's reasonable to think JD wants to have a reason to keep Pat and Ronny. Fans are desperate to not give JD that reason. This is what happens when you can't trust the people in charge to do the right thing. The only thing you can hope for to bring about meaningful change is to cheer for humiliation to force the issue. It's sad. Utter nonsense...
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