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Post by hsaxon on Jan 3, 2023 21:57:50 GMT -5
You don't fork over $12M if Ronny is staying around. The fact that this sounds like it is outside money is a plus. You can bet if I was ponying up buyout money, I'd include the strings attached that (a) Ronny and everyone else associated with the program needs to go, and (b) we need a real coaching search that will consider all candidates. More immediately, if a change happens, it really needs to happen early enough so Georgetown can make a hire ASAP following the season. The ideal may be for Ewing to coach out the season, announce before the BET that a change is happening, and give Ewing a chance to coach a last game with dignity. I want to reiterate that as bad as I think Ewing is as a coach, I hate that this happened. It's not good for Georgetown, it's not good for Patrick Ewing, it's really not even good for us as fans. Unfortunately, Jack DeGioia, John Thompson Jr., and Ronny Thompson helped to put Ewing in a position where this had to happen. Had we done a real search in 2017 and hired the best person available, everyone would be better off. Yes, Shaka Smart who was interested.
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Post by hsaxon on Jan 3, 2023 22:03:24 GMT -5
A question that could go many places but I’ll ask it here: have Wilbon or Kornheiser said anything lately about PE and the whole situation, on PTI or otherwise (like Tony’s podcast)? I know last year TK at first rather off the cuff expressed the view on his podcast that PE needed to go, but then I think on PTI retreated to “he’s Patrick Ewing. Georgetown can’t fire him.” Wilbon as I recall seconded that view with perhaps a caveat of “but at some point….” Just curious if they’ve revisited the topic (yet) as I think it is likely to bring more heat and I’m genuinely interested in how they would couch an answer to what to do…. Perhaps a loss to Villanova Wednesday and breaking the regular season BE conference loss record (tieing the “including BET games record”) provides a hook for the topic if they haven’t addressed it… Wilbon and Patrick are friends - Wilbon has "known him forever," as Wilbon is quick to point out.
Last Spring, Wilbon and Tony both said "Good for them" to GU for keeping Patrick..
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Post by hsaxon on Jan 3, 2023 22:04:04 GMT -5
Whatever they do, there needs to be clarity before tomorrow night's game. I don't understand how you can lose to the second and third-worst teams in the conference - one of those by 29 at home - and just show up like nothing happened to play against Villanova There will not be clarity tomorrow.
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Post by hoyaguy on Jan 3, 2023 22:05:37 GMT -5
Oh boy here we go. We aren't a "big time school" I think our esteemed president emphasized that when he was calling NIL and free transfers a crisis. JD is supposed to control the basketball program at the top and push for it to be a success (or appoint someone to manage it) or at the very least graduate players, and if none of those things are happening he is supposed to take steps himself to fix it. It is not on the fans to pay for the poor leadership decisions of the president. Why do you defend them so much? Like I genuinely want to know and discuss it. Is there anything Ewing can do other than commit blatant crimes/violations that would make you think he should be let go (with a massive pay day that in total is more than what most make in a lifetime)? Get your check book and buyout Ewing contract. I said this last season when there was discussion about the buyout. It’s quite obvious now that JD will honor the contract until expiration date. Looks like I don’t need to lol. It seems the right decision will finally be made. It’s a shame if donors had to specifically fund it just to bail out Jack from completely burning millions more of the school’s money on his poor decision making. I just hope they put strings on it to clear out the basketball department considering the cronyism and possibly hostile work environment as reported by the former employee/butler student. Do you disagree with the idea that Ewing should be fired at the end of the season?
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Post by TC on Jan 3, 2023 22:12:36 GMT -5
I’m sure he will try to coach out the rest of the season so he can get a Wednesday night ovation from a bunch of St. John’s fans at MSG.
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 3, 2023 22:15:53 GMT -5
I’m sure he will try to coach out the rest of the season so he can get a Wednesday night ovation from a bunch of St. John’s fans at MSG. Please. This is the type of comment that drives those of us who are very displeased with Ewing as a coach to have some sympathy for him.
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Post by TC on Jan 3, 2023 22:19:21 GMT -5
I’m sure he will try to coach out the rest of the season so he can get a Wednesday night ovation from a bunch of St. John’s fans at MSG. Please. This is the type of comment that drives those of us who are very displeased with Ewing as a coach to have some sympathy for him. I don’t know what else he is holding on for, and I don’t think the insinuation that he likes applause at MSG more than he cares for coaching on our home court is all that crazy. I mean it.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jan 3, 2023 22:29:57 GMT -5
Please. This is the type of comment that drives those of us who are very displeased with Ewing as a coach to have some sympathy for him. I don’t know what else he is holding on for, and I don’t think the insinuation that he likes applause at MSG more than he cares for coaching on our home court is all that crazy. I mean it. I agree. It’s a farewell tour now, and he may not want to let go until the season is over.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 3, 2023 23:09:05 GMT -5
You can bet if I was ponying up buyout money, I'd include the strings attached that (a) Ronny and everyone else associated with the program needs to go, and (b) we need a real coaching search that will consider all candidates. More immediately, if a change happens, it really needs to happen early enough so Georgetown can make a hire ASAP following the season. The ideal may be for Ewing to coach out the season, announce before the BET that a change is happening, and give Ewing a chance to coach a last game with dignity. I want to reiterate that as bad as I think Ewing is as a coach, I hate that this happened. It's not good for Georgetown, it's not good for Patrick Ewing, it's really not even good for us as fans. Unfortunately, Jack DeGioia, John Thompson Jr., and Ronny Thompson helped to put Ewing in a position where this had to happen. Had we done a real search in 2017 and hired the best person available, everyone would be better off. Yes, Shaka Smart who was interested. If accurate, massive fail to everybody involved on the GU side.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 3, 2023 23:09:56 GMT -5
Badly.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 3, 2023 23:10:32 GMT -5
Please. This is the type of comment that drives those of us who are very displeased with Ewing as a coach to have some sympathy for him. I don’t know what else he is holding on for, and I don’t think the insinuation that he likes applause at MSG more than he cares for coaching on our home court is all that crazy. I mean it. He’s holding on for $11-12M and to say that he’s not a quitter.
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Post by hoyajmw on Jan 3, 2023 23:19:44 GMT -5
Whenever and however it finally ends, PE better either walk away from the remaining contract $$ (which I know he won’t do) OR do something really magnanimous with a large (like $2-5M) portion of it — maybe set up a scholarship program for athletes or students from Jamaica or the Caribbean (for instance). If he just takes the money and runs, after destroying the program that gave him a great opportunity both as a player and then as a coach, well, tells you everything you need to know. The legacy won’t be “tarnished”, it, too, will be destroyed…
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 3, 2023 23:36:40 GMT -5
Whenever and however it finally ends, PE better either walk away from the remaining contract $$ (which I know he won’t do) OR do something really magnanimous with a large (like $2-5M) portion of it — maybe set up a scholarship program for athletes or students from Jamaica or the Caribbean (for instance). If he just takes the money and runs, after destroying the program that gave him a great opportunity both as a player and then as a coach, well, tells you everything you need to know. The legacy won’t be “tarnished”, it will be destroyed… I’m still wondering why anybody thought Ewing was a good guy - he’s never shown any character traits that would exhibit that.
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Post by hoyatransfer on Jan 4, 2023 1:28:51 GMT -5
I’m not here to make comments about Pat’s character one way or the other. This isn’t Bob from accounting who has been here 29 years, is super nice, but become kinda bad at his job and needs to make it 3 more months until he gets his full pension so we’ll let him stay and ride it out. This is a guy who, during his life, has made 9 figures and even after taxes, divorce, and whatever else should never have to earn another cent.
Now, if there was an actual (non-sentimental) reason to let him finish the season, I’d entertain that. For example, Nebraska fired Scott Frost in late September, but had they waited like a week and a half, they would have saved a few million on the buyout. In that type of situation, I can at least understand biding time to save the cash. However, I highly doubt that’s our situation, so I really don’t get why we’re delaying the inevitable—he may contractually be owed a buyout, but he’s not owed some embarrassing swan song.
I’m interested to see how the team comes out tomorrow because if there are more performances like Sunday on the horizon, I don’t see how he makes it another 15 games. Everything on Sunday was a disgrace and embarrassment, and it certainly gave off vibes like the team is on the verge of quitting, at least mentally. I’m convinced Jack knew it was over with JT3 on senior day against Villanova—the Hoyas were undisciplined and noticeably quit during the second half—the entire arena knew it. Will history repeat itself tomorrow?
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Post by Elvado on Jan 4, 2023 4:41:00 GMT -5
Whenever and however it finally ends, PE better either walk away from the remaining contract $$ (which I know he won’t do) OR do something really magnanimous with a large (like $2-5M) portion of it — maybe set up a scholarship program for athletes or students from Jamaica or the Caribbean (for instance). If he just takes the money and runs, after destroying the program that gave him a great opportunity both as a player and then as a coach, well, tells you everything you need to know. The legacy won’t be “tarnished”, it will be destroyed… If Ewing learned anything from Big John, it was to get paid. He will not leave a nickel on the table. So when he talks about loving GU, it is kind of like his friends in the Gold Club and the way they love patrons.
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Post by AltoSaxa on Jan 4, 2023 8:58:03 GMT -5
Also, players from the past who did not get paid what the modern players do have a chip on their shoulder. All the more reason for him to get "his".
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Post by hoyajmw on Jan 4, 2023 9:51:12 GMT -5
Whenever and however it finally ends, PE better either walk away from the remaining contract $$ (which I know he won’t do) OR do something really magnanimous with a large (like $2-5M) portion of it — maybe set up a scholarship program for athletes or students from Jamaica or the Caribbean (for instance). If he just takes the money and runs, after destroying the program that gave him a great opportunity both as a player and then as a coach, well, tells you everything you need to know. The legacy won’t be “tarnished”, it will be destroyed… If Ewing learned anything from Big John, it was to get paid. He will not leave a nickel on the table. So when he talks about loving GU, it is kind of like his friends in the Gold Club and the way they love patrons. Sadly, I think you are exactly right on all fronts -- which is why the "how" and not as much the "when" will be SOOOOO telling/confirming. I don't know Patrick Ewing the Man AT ALL, and this will be quite the tell.....
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jan 4, 2023 10:12:48 GMT -5
I don’t know what else he is holding on for, and I don’t think the insinuation that he likes applause at MSG more than he cares for coaching on our home court is all that crazy. I mean it. I agree. It’s a farewell tour now, and he may not want to let go until the season is over. It's his house or something like that.
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Post by wrestlemania on Jan 4, 2023 16:37:58 GMT -5
If we don’t land an impactful coach we could remain mired in mediocrity or worse for the next decade or more. Actually, it's now close to the end of Hoya basketball as we once knew it. We've reached Malcolm Gladwell's tipping point from which there will be no return. Yep, and I think alumni are slowly reconciling themselves to this. GU hoops was a nice story that is now over, and neither the administration nor the Board have shown the willingness, ability or intelligence to salvage anything from it. Going forward, it's table scraps unless a truly capable coach miraculously rises from the ashes and has enough clout to squash the buffoonery surrounding him.
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Post by miracles87 on Jan 4, 2023 16:50:04 GMT -5
Whenever and however it finally ends, PE better either walk away from the remaining contract $$ (which I know he won’t do) OR do something really magnanimous with a large (like $2-5M) portion of it — maybe set up a scholarship program for athletes or students from Jamaica or the Caribbean (for instance). If he just takes the money and runs, after destroying the program that gave him a great opportunity both as a player and then as a coach, well, tells you everything you need to know. The legacy won’t be “tarnished”, it will be destroyed… I’m still wondering why anybody thought Ewing was a good guy - he’s never shown any character traits that would exhibit that. You are really on to something here, Hoyaboya. Just because Patrick Ewing has the support of everybody he played or coached with, I mean, why? I certainly trust your judgment over John Thompson and Michael Jordan! not
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