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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 20, 2022 8:38:34 GMT -5
I just think it is hilarious that over the summer, at least one person here, in defending Ewing, was suggesting that Malcon Wilson voluntarily left the roster to become a team manager, even though that never made an ounce of sense. This is basically confirmation it was done solely to open up a scholarship slot. EtomicB, my guess is that Wilson will graduate after this year and likely has no desire to retain the year of eligibility. He already stayed at Georgetown in a non-basketball role, so I don't think maintaining eligibility is his major concern. I do admire his loyalty to Georgetown, and it does mean he's getting things out of the university other than basketball.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 20, 2022 8:48:44 GMT -5
I just think it is hilarious that over the summer, at least one person here, in defending Ewing, was suggesting that Malcon Wilson voluntarily left the roster to become a team manager, even though that never made an ounce of sense. This is basically confirmation it was done solely to open up a scholarship slot. EtomicB, my guess is that Wilson will graduate after this year and likely has no desire to retain the year of eligibility. He already stayed at Georgetown in a non-basketball role, so I don't think maintaining eligibility is his major concern. I do admire his loyalty to Georgetown, and it does mean he's getting things out of the university other than basketball. I’m guessing that Ewing could not actually care less about Wilson and his education or future and viewed him as an obstacle. But, Wilson stared him down and refused to willingly leave school which forced Ewing (or more likely an adult in the AD) to figure out a solution to this problem. I admire Wilson’s dedication to getting a degree and acting like a real student athlete but I also suspect he’ll be out of here the instant he’s got that diploma.
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Post by TC on Dec 20, 2022 8:53:01 GMT -5
I’m guessing that Ewing could not actually care less about Wilson and his education or future and viewed him as an obstacle. "Who will rid me of this troublesome Senior Center? I can't trade him!"
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 20, 2022 9:42:15 GMT -5
I just think it is hilarious that over the summer, at least one person here, in defending Ewing, was suggesting that Malcon Wilson voluntarily left the roster to become a team manager, even though that never made an ounce of sense. This is basically confirmation it was done solely to open up a scholarship slot. EtomicB, my guess is that Wilson will graduate after this year and likely has no desire to retain the year of eligibility. He already stayed at Georgetown in a non-basketball role, so I don't think maintaining eligibility is his major concern. I do admire his loyalty to Georgetown, and it does mean he's getting things out of the university other than basketball. 1000% correct on your 1st point. He may be able to get a scholarship to a lower level school, the eligibility is worth saving in my opinion
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Post by TC on Dec 20, 2022 9:52:44 GMT -5
I just think it is hilarious that over the summer, at least one person here, in defending Ewing, was suggesting that Malcon Wilson voluntarily left the roster to become a team manager, even though that never made an ounce of sense. This is basically confirmation it was done solely to open up a scholarship slot. EtomicB, my guess is that Wilson will graduate after this year and likely has no desire to retain the year of eligibility. He already stayed at Georgetown in a non-basketball role, so I don't think maintaining eligibility is his major concern. I do admire his loyalty to Georgetown, and it does mean he's getting things out of the university other than basketball. 1000% correct on your 1st point. He may be able to get a scholarship to a lower level school, the eligibility is worth saving in my opinion He'd have to keep doing the manager job for the rest of the year in that situation. I don't think any of us can pretend to know what that's like after being on the roster, and I think he has a pretty decent case for a waiver for that additional semester of eligibility with the NCAA given his situation (obvious run off, good academic standing, AD and possibly University President will probably write the most glowing recommendation in the history of recommendations to support a waiver for him).
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 20, 2022 9:53:57 GMT -5
AFAIK, Wilson is a true student-athlete regardless of his basketball skill and deserving of this. My earlier post is in no way a criticism of Wilson.
If Ewing knew that Harris was leaving and stashed Wilson in a manager's role to bring him back it's a good thing - but I don't know if the powers-that-be think long term in that way.
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Post by TC on Dec 20, 2022 10:08:43 GMT -5
If Ewing knew that Harris was leaving and stashed Wilson in a manager's role to bring him back it's a good thing - but I don't know if the powers-that-be think long term in that way. Can we just give Ewing the L on this and move on rather than invent new and ridiculous ways to excuse what they did? They didn't know Harris was leaving when they gave Wilson the manager job.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 20, 2022 10:13:13 GMT -5
If Ewing knew that Harris was leaving and stashed Wilson in a manager's role to bring him back it's a good thing - but I don't know if the powers-that-be think long term in that way. Can we just give Ewing the L on this and move on rather than invent new and ridiculous ways to excuse what they did? They didn't know Harris was leaving when they gave Wilson the manager job. Oh, I give Ewing a loss. I posted this on another discussion. All part of the plan. Ewing knew Harris departing so stashed Wilson in mgr slot knowing he'd be back on the team. /s A poorly constructed team with all the big men and no real backup PG!
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 20, 2022 10:21:38 GMT -5
Would Wilson coming back to the active roster mean he is a counter from an APR standpoint? If so, while extremely shady in how we handled it, it would help Ewing's cause on that topic.
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 20, 2022 10:24:30 GMT -5
Is that even allowed? He was kept on a scholarship after being moved to a non playing position and then brought back on? Honestly even if that is allowed, I don't like it tbh. Especially for a staff that is held in such a high ethical regard by some Lol if they hadn’t given him the roster spot you people would be all over them for that. I'm with Etomic, I wouldn't have cared because like I said I do not like the idea of him being used as a back up player spot swapped in and out of the team. And why spend his eligibility
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Post by TC on Dec 20, 2022 10:34:17 GMT -5
Would Wilson coming back to the active roster mean he is a counter from an APR standpoint? If so, while extremely shady in how we handled it, it would help Ewing's cause on that topic. It means he'll get credit for graduating someone he ran off too.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 20, 2022 10:43:32 GMT -5
Would Wilson coming back to the active roster mean he is a counter from an APR standpoint? If so, while extremely shady in how we handled it, it would help Ewing's cause on that topic. It's a net wash. The APR is based on up to two points per scholarship athlete per semester, so Dante Harris gets one point for eligibility and no points for retention, or 1/2. Had the scholarship been left open, it would be 0/0; with Wilson, it's 2/2 for the spring, but the percentages don't change. From the June 2022 story, "Each player on a given roster earns a maximum of two points per term, one for being academically eligible (at least 1.8 as a freshman, 1.9 as a sophomore, and 2.0 as an upperclassman) and one for staying with the institution." The four year APR average will be bad for years given the run of transfers that will be one of the enduring legacies of the Patrick Ewing era. The 2023 APR (announced in June) will be based on the following scores: 2017-18: 927 2018-19: 935 2020-21: 860 2021-22: TBA To get to the 930 minimum over four years, the 2021-22 score would have to be 998/1000, which is logistically impossible given the number of transfers and Tre King's suspension/expulsion. While there are adjustments available for a transfer with a minimum 2.6 GPA, that's asking a lot.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 20, 2022 10:47:51 GMT -5
Lol if they hadn’t given him the roster spot you people would be all over them for that. I'm with Etomic, I wouldn't have cared because like I said I do not like the idea of him being used as a back up player spot swapped in and out of the team. And why spend his eligibility I really think people are missing the point on the eligibility question. Putting aside that we are all speculating, the circumstantial evidence points to the fact that Malcom Wilson values a Georgetown education and degree more than basketball; otherwise he would have said no to being a team manager and transferred. If playing basketball was his main concern, he would have likely moved on with Tim Ighoefe and the others. That he stayed at Georgetown tells me that playing college basketball isn't prime on his list. The other assumption everybody is making is that he will play. Being on the roster doesn't eliminate eligibility, playing does. With Ewing using a tight rotation and barely playing Mutomobo (who has actually been good in his spot minutes), and with Ezewiro seemingly Ewing's preferred backup to Wahab, it wouldn't shock me if Wilson never plays anyway. Finally, I am sure Malcon Wilson is well aware of all of this. He seems like a smart kid, he was on the Big East All Academic team last year. I think he knows what he's doing.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 20, 2022 10:48:07 GMT -5
I didn’t think JD would care too much about losses, but the APR is a black eye on the academic side of the institution. He had better care about that.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 20, 2022 10:48:59 GMT -5
Would Wilson coming back to the active roster mean he is a counter from an APR standpoint? If so, while extremely shady in how we handled it, it would help Ewing's cause on that topic. It means he'll get credit for graduating someone he ran off too. Who was ran off?
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Post by TC on Dec 20, 2022 10:49:48 GMT -5
Would Wilson coming back to the active roster mean he is a counter from an APR standpoint? If so, while extremely shady in how we handled it, it would help Ewing's cause on that topic. It's a net wash. The APR is based on up to two points per scholarship athlete per semester, so Dante Harris gets one point for eligibility and no points for retention, or 1/2. Had the scholarship been left open, it would be 0/0; with Wilson, it's 2/2 for the spring, but the percentages don't change. From the June 2022 story, "Each player on a given roster earns a maximum of two points per term, one for being academically eligible (at least 1.8 as a freshman, 1.9 as a sophomore, and 2.0 as an upperclassman) and one for staying with the institution." 2/2 vs. 0/0 isn't a net wash though. If they brought in a transfer to the slot now, it'd be a question of whether they go 2/2 whereas Wilson is a sure thing based on his academic record and the fact that he graduates and can't hurt you with a spring transfer.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 20, 2022 10:53:57 GMT -5
I'm with Etomic, I wouldn't have cared because like I said I do not like the idea of him being used as a back up player spot swapped in and out of the team. And why spend his eligibility I really think people are missing the point on the eligibility question. Putting aside that we are all speculating, the circumstantial evidence points to the fact that Malcom Wilson values a Georgetown education and degree more than basketball; otherwise he would have said no to being a team manager and transferred. If playing basketball was his main concern, he would have likely moved on with Tim Ighoefe and the others. That he stayed at Georgetown tells me that playing college basketball isn't prime on his list. The other assumption everybody is making is that he will play. Being on the roster doesn't eliminate eligibility, playing does. With Ewing using a tight rotation and barely playing Mutomobo (who has actually been good in his spot minutes), and with Ezewiro seemingly Ewing's preferred backup to Wahab, it wouldn't shock me if Wilson never plays anyway. Finally, I am sure Malcon Wilson is well aware of all of this. He seems like a smart kid, he was on the Big East All Academic team last year. I think he knows what he's doing.
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Post by smokeyjack on Dec 20, 2022 11:09:27 GMT -5
AFAIK, Wilson is a true student-athlete regardless of his basketball skill and deserving of this. My earlier post is in no way a criticism of Wilson. If Ewing knew that Harris was leaving and stashed Wilson in a manager's role to bring him back it's a good thing - but I don't know if the powers-that-be think long term in that way. The notion that the "powers that be" at GU do any thinking at all...
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Post by bluegray79 on Dec 20, 2022 11:37:42 GMT -5
I'm going to pivot back to the thread topic. Been thinking about this post from last week by Russky Hoya:
It's probably worth everyone keeping in mind that the entire revenue college sports landscape will sooner or later be completely blown up and reconstituted as an explicitly professional operation. NIL has made it so de facto, and it's only a matter of time before it becomes so de jure.
Institutionally, Georgetown is not willing to go down that path. Fair enough.
I'm learning some from all of you and the links and whatever other poking around I do concerning NIL and how it is changing college sports. If we as an institution are not willing to go down that path, yes, fair enough, but I don't think that stops us from having a competitive, well-run program of which we can all be proud. Back to Pitino for a moment: we all have seen what he has done at tiny Iona College -- and would be able to do here -- in just a few short years. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Iona has any NIL opportunities to speak of to attract recruits. Could be wrong, but I did some looking around online and can't find any mention anywhere of the college discussing, setting up, or promoting NIL. Wouldn't it be possible if we had a coach of Pitino-like calibre that he could attract players good enough to compete in D1 and come for the education and to be developed and coached over 3-4 years with a possibility of post-graduate play and maybe a look from NBA scouts? That's what it used to be, didn't it? All we need is a president who has the vision to start over with good people running the program and a coach who can bring out the best in his players on and off the court. Pitino has his history, but, as many have noted, he is 70, he's done his penance, he's wrapping up his career, and is perfectly situated to do what Jack D and the Board seem to want to do in the face of a rapidly changing college sports landscape that may not speak to our Jesuit values and more noble aspirations for our student athletes.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Dec 20, 2022 12:10:27 GMT -5
I’m in the camp that does want to hire Pitino, but I think a plan of “let’s just hire a coach as good as Pitino and do things the old-fashioned way, and we’ll succeed because the coach is just that good” is totally naive. Iona might not have a big NIL upside, but the opportunity to play for a HOF coach is almost as good when you’re recruiting to compete in the MAAC. To compete at the national level you need a good coach and NIL. And a coach like Pitino isn’t going to volunteer to have his hands tied behind his back. The appeal of coming to a high major would be to have the kind of tool kit a MAAC school doesn’t offer. And that’s part of the appeal—he wouldn’t allow himself to be hamstrung by Ronny effing Thompson.
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