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Post by daveg023 on Dec 19, 2022 13:05:13 GMT -5
I think we really need to stop with the 'why doesn't our media ask ___' If you really challenge them on anything - you'll entirely lose your access. Guys that are still left doing this - Ron, Bobby - do the best they can with what is possible covering this program (almost nothing) Ronny sits in at post-game pressers trying to intimidate anyone in there. It's a joke. And even if you do ask Patrick something that pushes the envelope a bit he's going to get defensive and give a non-answer (see Bobby's losing streak question in the last presser - his answer was embarrassing) It’s dumb to give into peer pressure from some bitter old anonymous dudes on the internet and jeopardize your press pass/access. That is the mistake that that student made. He gave into that peer pressure and put himself on the line and got shadow banned. These anonymous guys are not going to stick up for you publicly when you get shadow banned or lose access. Hope Bobby doesn’t make that mistake. That’s fine if you are truly pushing the line with questions or narrative. But for the most part these are things that can/should be asked by any good journalist without any fear of repercussions.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 19, 2022 13:10:51 GMT -5
In some ways the current apathy phase is easier for the basketball administration to deal with than the earlier anger phase that toppled JT3. Very few are left to boo and complain. Just look how empty our arena is even with free tickets and a slew of opposing fans.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 19, 2022 13:12:59 GMT -5
There are tiers of press access, particularly at Georgetown, that drive access. Ronny Thompson may try to be a modern day Bill Shapland but the pros in the room aren't going to be fazed.
1. Fox has an MFN (most favored nation) access to the Big East programs as a condition of the media deal, but neither side is interested in irritating the other, especially around media rights negotiations which are about to take place in advance of the 2025. Thus, FS1 will never say anything bad about Georgetown even if they go 0-20 and Georgetown will not criticize FS1 or its parent company, Fox News.
2. Next is the working press, particularly the Washington Post, then the out of town papers, the national writers, ESPN, and to a much lesser extent, the HOYA and Voice. An investigative story on the program by the Post would make Kareem Copeland's job inevitably tougher, but the program isn't cutting his press pass. Same too with the HOYA and Voice, although they might be worried otherwise. The HOYA of the mid and late 1970's was very combative with the Athletic Department, including a member of its editorial board who loudly campaigned to drop D-I basketball and reallocate 50 percent of the athletics budget to the library, but even then the press passes were not pulled.
3. The third group does feel pressure: the freelancers. No one is getting rich writing or broadcasting Georgetown basketball. A local group which variously includes Patrick Stevens, Bobby Bancroft, Byron Kerr, Jeremy Huber, etc. must balance the task at hand (reporting) with building good relationships in the business. The declining jobs in sports journalism makes this a challenging road to travel, especially in a competitive market like Washington, and getting a bad reputation is a career ender.
4. The fourth tier are the blogs and subscription web sites. In some college programs online sites are powerful enough to drive their place in the figurative and literal press room, but most are not. Texags.com (Texas A&M) has 15,000 subscribers paying up to $275 a year, $10 million in overall revenues and a staff of 20. They reach unusually passionate fans and A&M knows it's a vital piece to its media strategy. Georgetown does not have such an online presence nor has ever actively engaged its alumni base to do so, as seen in the monthly stats which show that Georgetown isn't even in the top 100 athletic department sites when it comes to fan interaction. Just because someone has 3,000 followers on Twitter does not provide them an entitlement to get the access that working journalists get, period.
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Post by TC on Dec 19, 2022 13:17:15 GMT -5
To DFW's point : Gene Wang asked the big question last year, I doubt anyone so much as blinked.
If you want the Dante question asked, pressure The Washington Post to ask it.
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Post by 1427hoya on Dec 19, 2022 13:17:44 GMT -5
In some ways the current apathy phase is easier for the basketball administration to deal with than the earlier anger phase that toppled JT3. Very few are left to boo and complain. Just look how empty our arena is even with free tickets and a slew of opposing fans. People like me are probably as guilty as anyone. I was part of the anger that toppled Esh, less so with JTII because his time had gone but I always at least thought he was a qualified hire (despite the Thompson family thing). But now? It just feels like a lost cause. You can push for Ewing gone - but it just seems like the cronyism behind Ewing is too deep and set in their ways. Ronny? JD? The board? The basketball team is SOOO pathetic but the most depressing part of the whole thing is the fact you have to rally so hard for changes. With any serious program, you shouldn't need to voice your displeasure after an 0-20 season and an equally crappy start the following year. It should be obvious. The people in charge should be as outraged as anyone. Changes would have been made a long time ago. The fact that it has gotten to this point and we need to fight and uphill battle for a change means the program is lost.
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Post by drquigley on Dec 19, 2022 16:30:37 GMT -5
In some ways the current apathy phase is easier for the basketball administration to deal with than the earlier anger phase that toppled JT3. Very few are left to boo and complain. Just look how empty our arena is even with free tickets and a slew of opposing fans. People like me are probably as guilty as anyone. I was part of the anger that toppled Esh, less so with JTII because his time had gone but I always at least thought he was a qualified hire (despite the Thompson family thing). But now? It just feels like a lost cause. You can push for Ewing gone - but it just seems like the cronyism behind Ewing is too deep and set in their ways. Ronny? JD? The board? The basketball team is SOOO pathetic but the most depressing part of the whole thing is the fact you have to rally so hard for changes. With any serious program, you shouldn't need to voice your displeasure after an 0-20 season and an equally crappy start the following year. It should be obvious. The people in charge should be as outraged as anyone. Changes would have been made a long time ago. The fact that it has gotten to this point and we need to fight and uphill battle for a change means the program is lost. I have to agree. I keep checking the Wash Post sports page every day hoping to see a headline like "Ewing Resigns/Fired as GU Coach" but then realize that it will never happen and that just make me more depressed. We were so excited a few months ago about how the combination of transfers and recruits would help turn the program around and make watching the Hoyas fun again.
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Post by 1427hoya on Dec 19, 2022 17:05:16 GMT -5
I have to agree. I keep checking the Wash Post sports page every day hoping to see a headline like "Ewing Resigns/Fired as GU Coach" but then realize that it will never happen and that just make me more depressed. We were so excited a few months ago about how the combination of transfers and recruits would help turn the program around and make watching the Hoyas fun again. It is even worse than that. It is the resignation of knowing that even if Pat is canned or quits, the decision makers are so self-insulated that there is no hope the next guy will be any better. We are stuck then with another bad hire like Tommy Amaker (with Ronny still there) that we have to then go another five years of pathetic basketball to get the gumption for another change Sure, if Pat goes, in theory it could it get better. The likelihood is that it won’t get any better or at least the best we could do is mediocrity. And one thing they tell you in business school is that sometimes a mediocre hire is worse than a bad hire, because you tend to stick with a mediocre hire longer
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 19, 2022 21:17:41 GMT -5
I have to agree. I keep checking the Wash Post sports page every day hoping to see a headline like "Ewing Resigns/Fired as GU Coach" but then realize that it will never happen and that just make me more depressed. We were so excited a few months ago about how the combination of transfers and recruits would help turn the program around and make watching the Hoyas fun again. It is even worse than that. It is the resignation of knowing that even if Pat is canned or quits, the decision makers are so self-insulated that there is no hope the next guy will be any better. We are stuck then with another bad hire like Tommy Amaker (with Ronny still there) that we have to then go another five years of pathetic basketball to get the gumption for another change Sure, if Pat goes, in theory it could it get better. The likelihood is that it won’t get any better or at least the best we could do is mediocrity. And one thing they tell you in business school is that sometimes a mediocre hire is worse than a bad hire, because you tend to stick with a mediocre hire longer If Georgetown ever makes a mediocre hire - someone that can make the tournament let's say every 3 years and be close to 9-9 every year, I am confident we'd never see a Final Four but also never see that coach be forced to depart, either. For Patrick Ewing, the standard is even lower, but he's managing to out himself in a position where I think the powers that be will have no choice. Of course, I thought that was true last March, too, so what do I know?
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 19, 2022 21:44:42 GMT -5
It is even worse than that. It is the resignation of knowing that even if Pat is canned or quits, the decision makers are so self-insulated that there is no hope the next guy will be any better. We are stuck then with another bad hire like Tommy Amaker (with Ronny still there) that we have to then go another five years of pathetic basketball to get the gumption for another change Sure, if Pat goes, in theory it could it get better. The likelihood is that it won’t get any better or at least the best we could do is mediocrity. And one thing they tell you in business school is that sometimes a mediocre hire is worse than a bad hire, because you tend to stick with a mediocre hire longer If Georgetown ever makes a mediocre hire - someone that can make the tournament let's say every 3 years and be close to 9-9 every year, I am confident we'd never see a Final Four but also never see that coach be forced to depart, either. For Patrick Ewing, the standard is even lower, but he's managing to out himself in a position where I think the powers that be will have no choice. Of course, I thought that was true last March, too, so what do I know? In an ideal world I think JTIII should the program kind of like Barry Collier runs the Butler program with the Butler Way. Then we would probably have a bunch of decent head coaches who would then move on to the blue bloods/nba if they had success but III would be the continuity. Even now I think if III was heading the program then Coach Ewing could seek out great advice since III would be monitoring on a day to day basis.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 19, 2022 22:28:40 GMT -5
If I was a high-level basketball player rather than an SFS nerd, my calculus would probably be different. Would it? In the instances of Wilson and Ighoefe, I'm not sure it is. Wilson stayed despite being forced off of the team and being forced to put out the uniforms for the kids he used to play with. We don't know if Ighoefe was even given that opportunity. I think we have much different bars for "being done dirty". No one has said that Wilson lacks a scholarship, the difference here is that in the JT2/JT3 system, if someone did their classroom work and put in three years, you don't force them off the team - I can point to all sorts of examples of this like Lamont Morgan, Bosanac, Tyler Adams. I don't think the program fulfills its obligations to student/athletes or that we are treating the players like "student/athletes" if it is forcing rising Seniors off of the team. The kids are being treated as disposable just like professional athletes, the Coach in a moment of honesty wants to be able to trade them midseason. We have a core disagreement over whether Georgetown is willing to compete in the new NCAA order - Georgetown is already showing me that they are willing to treat athletes as professionals and not as students. Lol WHELP life is coming at all of us fast here, I guess smdh
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 19, 2022 23:46:14 GMT -5
Would it? In the instances of Wilson and Ighoefe, I'm not sure it is. Wilson stayed despite being forced off of the team and being forced to put out the uniforms for the kids he used to play with. We don't know if Ighoefe was even given that opportunity. I think we have much different bars for "being done dirty". No one has said that Wilson lacks a scholarship, the difference here is that in the JT2/JT3 system, if someone did their classroom work and put in three years, you don't force them off the team - I can point to all sorts of examples of this like Lamont Morgan, Bosanac, Tyler Adams. I don't think the program fulfills its obligations to student/athletes or that we are treating the players like "student/athletes" if it is forcing rising Seniors off of the team. The kids are being treated as disposable just like professional athletes, the Coach in a moment of honesty wants to be able to trade them midseason. We have a core disagreement over whether Georgetown is willing to compete in the new NCAA order - Georgetown is already showing me that they are willing to treat athletes as professionals and not as students. Lol WHELP life is coming at all of us fast here, I guess smdh Is that even allowed? He was kept on a scholarship after being moved to a non playing position and then brought back on? Honestly even if that is allowed, I don't like it tbh. Especially for a staff that is held in such a high ethical regard by some
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 20, 2022 4:52:43 GMT -5
Lol WHELP life is coming at all of us fast here, I guess smdh Is that even allowed? He was kept on a scholarship after being moved to a non playing position and then brought back on? Honestly even if that is allowed, I don't like it tbh. Especially for a staff that is held in such a high ethical regard by some It’s just musical chairs.
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Post by hoyaroc on Dec 20, 2022 4:58:47 GMT -5
Lol WHELP life is coming at all of us fast here, I guess smdh Is that even allowed? He was kept on a scholarship after being moved to a non playing position and then brought back on? Honestly even if that is allowed, I don't like it tbh. Especially for a staff that is held in such a high ethical regard by some 👀
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 20, 2022 5:14:30 GMT -5
Lol WHELP life is coming at all of us fast here, I guess smdh Is that even allowed? He was kept on a scholarship after being moved to a non playing position and then brought back on? Honestly even if that is allowed, I don't like it tbh. Especially for a staff that is held in such a high ethical regard by some Lol if they hadn’t given him the roster spot you people would be all over them for that.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 20, 2022 6:02:35 GMT -5
Is this any way to run a basketball program?? Chaos reigns!!!
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Post by TC on Dec 20, 2022 7:50:16 GMT -5
Lol WHELP life is coming at all of us fast here, I guess smdh It was always about number of slots and not about some nebulous "Tyler Adams" type thing. I think it's great that they added him back rather than going out and trying to find someone else for next year like they did at midseason last year with Wayne Bristol - hopefully a sign that the Ewing is raising the white flag on coaching in 2023-2024 or that it's being raised on his behalf. A program in "win at all costs" mode like they were in the spring would not do this. Add this to the list of things that no reporter will ever ask Ewing a question about. Much more important to know his views about the Washington Commanders or whether he played 48 minutes uphill both ways in the snow back in his day.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 20, 2022 8:09:48 GMT -5
Lol WHELP life is coming at all of us fast here, I guess smdh It was always about number of slots and not about some nebulous "Tyler Adams" type thing. I think it's great that they added him back rather than going out and trying to find someone else for next year like they did at midseason last year with Wayne Bristol - hopefully a sign that the Ewing is raising the white flag on coaching in 2023-2024 or that it's being raised on his behalf. A program in "win at all costs" mode like they were in the spring would not do this. Or no one playable wants to come here. Look how Virginia was able to sign a playable guard.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 20, 2022 8:18:58 GMT -5
Lol WHELP life is coming at all of us fast here, I guess smdh It was always about number of slots and not about some nebulous "Tyler Adams" type thing. I think it's great that they added him back rather than going out and trying to find someone else for next year like they did at midseason last year with Wayne Bristol - hopefully a sign that the Ewing is raising the white flag on coaching in 2023-2024 or that it's being raised on his behalf. A program in "win at all costs" mode like they were in the spring would not do this. Add this to the list of things that no reporter will ever ask Ewing a question about. Much more important to know his views about the Washington Commanders or whether he played 48 minutes uphill both ways in the snow back in his day. You’re sure it wasn’t just a coincidence that Wilson decided he’d rather be a manager at the exact moment his scholarship was needed for someone else and, in another coincidence, he changed his mind at the exact moment a scholarship opened? It surely must be that because Georgetown and Pat Ewing would never run a player off the team.
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Post by TC on Dec 20, 2022 8:24:02 GMT -5
You’re sure it wasn’t just a coincidence that Wilson decided he’d rather be a manager at the exact moment his scholarship was needed for someone else and, in another coincidence, he changed his mind at the exact moment a scholarship opened? It surely must be that because Georgetown and Pat Ewing would never run a player off the team. Certainly wouldn't run off six players, we do things The Georgetown Way(tm) whatever that nonsense means.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 20, 2022 8:34:12 GMT -5
Is that even allowed? He was kept on a scholarship after being moved to a non playing position and then brought back on? Honestly even if that is allowed, I don't like it tbh. Especially for a staff that is held in such a high ethical regard by some Lol if they hadn’t given him the roster spot you people would be all over them for that. I wouldn't have said a word. It was done, leave the kid alone. He has a couple of years of eligibility left to use elsewhere, why ruin that?
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