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Post by seaweed on Nov 11, 2022 7:56:40 GMT -5
I bleed Hoya Blue like you all but I’m shocked that anyone could say anything positive about our defense or even defend it. Same issues as last year with no signs of improvement besides one dude that gives his all every play in defense (which is a big deal in itself). For those that wanted a lot more full court press you got it. I’m hoping that conversation is done. I just want good and effective defense with some sort of cohesion. Effort, communicate, and care. Why does that feel like an impossible ask. Premature conclusions much? We had twice as many blocks as we averaged last year, forced 5 more turnovers than we averaged last year, held our opponent about 30% below last year's average assist total and .5 below the assist/turnover ratio, all in a game that most here would agree we underperformed in. You clearly weren't watching very closely if you didn't see substantive, quantifiable differences in how we performed on D generally. The full court press forced turnovers, something it rarely did last year, the switching was way more crisp and effective and the G-fense was generally closer to what we hope for. Sub-par opponent, whatever, they have some very experienced and fast guards and we disrupted their offense at every level, forcing them to hit very low percentage long range threes to stay in the game. Hit them they did, and we all hate that the game was close at all much less tied at the end of regulation, but if you can't see the difference between Primo and Murray fighting through screens vs. Don Carey and Kaiden Rice, then I just don't know what to tell you. There were lots of things wrong with how we played Tuesday, but effort and results on G-fense were nowhere near the top of the list for most of the team. Q fouling from out of position, Anglin looking lost in his few minutes, I could list many more that are bigger concerns than general D. Must we do better? Of course. But are we on the right track with more promising talent and potential for greatness? We sure as Hoyaheck are. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 11, 2022 8:11:14 GMT -5
I bleed Hoya Blue like you all but I’m shocked that anyone could say anything positive about our defense or even defend it. Same issues as last year with no signs of improvement besides one dude that gives his all every play in defense (which is a big deal in itself). For those that wanted a lot more full court press you got it. I’m hoping that conversation is done. I just want good and effective defense with some sort of cohesion. Effort, communicate, and care. Why does that feel like an impossible ask. Premature conclusions much? We had twice as many blocks as we averaged last year, forced 5 more turnovers than we averaged last year, held our opponent about 30% below last year's average assist total and .5 below the assist/turnover ratio, all in a game that most here would agree we underperformed in. You clearly weren't watching very closely if you didn't see substantive, quantifiable differences in how we performed on D generally. The full court press forced turnovers, something it rarely did last year, the switching was way more crisp and effective and the G-fense was generally closer to what we hope for. Sub-par opponent, whatever, they have some very experienced and fast guards and we disrupted their offense at every level, forcing them to hit very low percentage long range threes to stay in the game. Hit them they did, and we all hate that the game was close at all much less tied at the end of regulation, but if you can't see the difference between Primo and Murray fighting through screens vs. Don Carey and Kaiden Rice, then I just don't know what to tell you. There were lots of things wrong with how we played Tuesday, but effort and results on G-fense were nowhere near the top of the list for most of the team. Q fouling from out of position, Anglin looking lost in his few minutes, I could list many more that are bigger concerns than general D. Must we do better? Of course. But are we on the right track with more promising talent and potential for greatness? We sure as Hoyaheck are. This is what it looks like when the bar is set as low as possible (and, for some reason, the architect of this disaster is immune from criticism). Might as well discontinue mens basketball if what happened on Tuesday is acceptable. |
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Post by bigskyhoya on Nov 11, 2022 8:19:51 GMT -5
After only one game against a terrible opponent that we barely won the usual suspects are already lowering the bar for the team and the coaches. I wouldn't waste time trying to win them over. Personally, I will consider anything other than a middle of the pack BE finish a failure, and the idea that we should wait another 3-4 years to judge our Coach is damned depressing. in the meantime, botskyhoya, you could try actually watching the games... No, really, they're fun! With your critical eye for basketball fundamentals, you probably had "fun" watching last year's team as well. Try taking off your adolescent, fanboy, funhouse glasses when you watch the games and you might become capable of objective observation. |
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Post by BeantownHoya on Nov 11, 2022 8:21:42 GMT -5
Premature conclusions much? We had twice as many blocks as we averaged last year, forced 5 more turnovers than we averaged last year, held our opponent about 30% below last year's average assist total and .5 below the assist/turnover ratio, all in a game that most here would agree we underperformed in. You clearly weren't watching very closely if you didn't see substantive, quantifiable differences in how we performed on D generally. The full court press forced turnovers, something it rarely did last year, the switching was way more crisp and effective and the G-fense was generally closer to what we hope for. Sub-par opponent, whatever, they have some very experienced and fast guards and we disrupted their offense at every level, forcing them to hit very low percentage long range threes to stay in the game. Hit them they did, and we all hate that the game was close at all much less tied at the end of regulation, but if you can't see the difference between Primo and Murray fighting through screens vs. Don Carey and Kaiden Rice, then I just don't know what to tell you. There were lots of things wrong with how we played Tuesday, but effort and results on G-fense were nowhere near the top of the list for most of the team. Q fouling from out of position, Anglin looking lost in his few minutes, I could list many more that are bigger concerns than general D. Must we do better? Of course. But are we on the right track with more promising talent and potential for greatness? We sure as Hoyaheck are. This is what it looks like when the bar is set as low as possible (and, for some reason, the architect of this disaster is immune from criticism). Might as well discontinue mens basketball if what happened on Tuesday is acceptable. Spot on no one has ever criticized Ewing on this board... hasn't happened...I mean I certainly didn't see hundreds of critical remarks (including myself) during the game thread real time... Certainly didn't see 99% of this board (including myself) after last season begging for his dismissal... Thankfully this board has you The Champion of Georgetown Truth...the rest of us simply cannot see beyond the end of our noses and thus we have you to gently put us back in our place...thank you |
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 11, 2022 8:43:32 GMT -5
I bleed Hoya Blue like you all but I’m shocked that anyone could say anything positive about our defense or even defend it. Same issues as last year with no signs of improvement besides one dude that gives his all every play in defense (which is a big deal in itself). For those that wanted a lot more full court press you got it. I’m hoping that conversation is done. I just want good and effective defense with some sort of cohesion. Effort, communicate, and care. Why does that feel like an impossible ask. Premature conclusions much? We had twice as many blocks as we averaged last year, forced 5 more turnovers than we averaged last year, held our opponent about 30% below last year's average assist total and .5 below the assist/turnover ratio, all in a game that most here would agree we underperformed in. You clearly weren't watching very closely if you didn't see substantive, quantifiable differences in how we performed on D generally. The full court press forced turnovers, something it rarely did last year, the switching was way more crisp and effective and the G-fense was generally closer to what we hope for. Sub-par opponent, whatever, they have some very experienced and fast guards and we disrupted their offense at every level, forcing them to hit very low percentage long range threes to stay in the game. Hit them they did, and we all hate that the game was close at all much less tied at the end of regulation, but if you can't see the difference between Primo and Murray fighting through screens vs. Don Carey and Kaiden Rice, then I just don't know what to tell you. There were lots of things wrong with how we played Tuesday, but effort and results on G-fense were nowhere near the top of the list for most of the team. Q fouling from out of position, Anglin looking lost in his few minutes, I could list many more that are bigger concerns than general D. Must we do better? Of course. But are we on the right track with more promising talent and potential for greatness? We sure as Hoyaheck are. Do you really think the 3 at the end of the half was a low percentage shot? Coppin wants to shoot threes, they were 10th in the country in attempts last season. How do you explain how Charlotte held them to 22 attempts in a blow out win but Gtown allowed 30+ in a close game? Outside of Akok, nothing positive can be taken away from the game defensive wise in my opinion |
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Post by bills on Nov 11, 2022 8:44:15 GMT -5
I bleed Hoya Blue like you all but I’m shocked that anyone could say anything positive about our defense or even defend it. Same issues as last year with no signs of improvement besides one dude that gives his all every play in defense (which is a big deal in itself). For those that wanted a lot more full court press you got it. I’m hoping that conversation is done. I just want good and effective defense with some sort of cohesion. Effort, communicate, and care. Why does that feel like an impossible ask. Premature conclusions much? We had twice as many blocks as we averaged last year, forced 5 more turnovers than we averaged last year, held our opponent about 30% below last year's average assist total and .5 below the assist/turnover ratio, all in a game that most here would agree we underperformed in. You clearly weren't watching very closely if you didn't see substantive, quantifiable differences in how we performed on D generally. The full court press forced turnovers, something it rarely did last year, the switching was way more crisp and effective and the G-fense was generally closer to what we hope for. Sub-par opponent, whatever, they have some very experienced and fast guards and we disrupted their offense at every level, forcing them to hit very low percentage long range threes to stay in the game. Hit them they did, and we all hate that the game was close at all much less tied at the end of regulation, but if you can't see the difference between Primo and Murray fighting through screens vs. Don Carey and Kaiden Rice, then I just don't know what to tell you. There were lots of things wrong with how we played Tuesday, but effort and results on G-fense were nowhere near the top of the list for most of the team. Q fouling from out of position, Anglin looking lost in his few minutes, I could list many more that are bigger concerns than general D. Must we do better? Of course. But are we on the right track with more promising talent and potential for greatness? We sure as Hoyaheck are. I agree with your assessment |
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Post by seaweed on Nov 11, 2022 8:54:13 GMT -5
This is what it looks like when the bar is set as low as possible (and, for some reason, the architect of this disaster is immune from criticism). Might as well discontinue mens basketball if what happened on Tuesday is acceptable. Spot on no one has ever criticized Ewing on this board... hasn't happened...I mean I certainly didn't see hundreds of critical remarks (including myself) during the game thread real time... Certainly didn't see 99% of this board (including myself) after last season begging for his dismissal... Thankfully this board has you The Champion of Georgetown Truth...the rest of us simply cannot see beyond the end of our noses and thus we have you to gently put us back in our place...thank you Don't even bother - if you're not in the pitchfork and torch contingent, you'll never be negative enough for these clowns. Only they can read a post that says "Must we do better? Of course" as being a glowing affirmation devoid of criticism. The kids will never be good enough for them and no amount of improvement or progress will matter. Time to drive to DC to cheer for our Hoyas in person. Beat em up, ghuck em up, go Georgetown. |
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Post by bostonfan on Nov 11, 2022 8:54:34 GMT -5
I bleed Hoya Blue like you all but I’m shocked that anyone could say anything positive about our defense or even defend it. Same issues as last year with no signs of improvement besides one dude that gives his all every play in defense (which is a big deal in itself). For those that wanted a lot more full court press you got it. I’m hoping that conversation is done. I just want good and effective defense with some sort of cohesion. Effort, communicate, and care. Why does that feel like an impossible ask. Premature conclusions much? We had twice as many blocks as we averaged last year, forced 5 more turnovers than we averaged last year, held our opponent about 30% below last year's average assist total and .5 below the assist/turnover ratio, all in a game that most here would agree we underperformed in. You clearly weren't watching very closely if you didn't see substantive, quantifiable differences in how we performed on D generally. The full court press forced turnovers, something it rarely did last year, the switching was way more crisp and effective and the G-fense was generally closer to what we hope for. Sub-par opponent, whatever, they have some very experienced and fast guards and we disrupted their offense at every level, forcing them to hit very low percentage long range threes to stay in the game. Hit them they did, and we all hate that the game was close at all much less tied at the end of regulation, but if you can't see the difference between Primo and Murray fighting through screens vs. Don Carey and Kaiden Rice, then I just don't know what to tell you. There were lots of things wrong with how we played Tuesday, but effort and results on G-fense were nowhere near the top of the list for most of the team. Q fouling from out of position, Anglin looking lost in his few minutes, I could list many more that are bigger concerns than general D. Must we do better? Of course. But are we on the right track with more promising talent and potential for greatness? We sure as Hoyaheck are. No doubt that the game against Coppin was disappointing on more than a few levels. That is not a game that should have been very close, but there were some obvious signs of better talent if the defense and turnovers can be cleaned up. I think the real key is if this group, and this coaching staff, can fix those issues and show improvement from game to game. That was not the case last year, where they seemed to make the same mistakes all year. Green Bay is a team the Hoyas should handle easily so hopefully they can implement some positive improvements. The team needs to utilize some more of it's depth, even if just for 5-8 minutes a game, to keep the starters fresh and help develop those younger players, who may be needed if injuries/fouls occur. It is not reasonable to expect any player to play with high level effort/energy for an entire game if they are playing 35+ minutes a game. I am not a guy who thinks that the 11-12th guys need to be getting minutes every game, but you need to go 8-9 deep a game. |
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Post by seaweed on Nov 11, 2022 9:19:24 GMT -5
Premature conclusions much? We had twice as many blocks as we averaged last year, forced 5 more turnovers than we averaged last year, held our opponent about 30% below last year's average assist total and .5 below the assist/turnover ratio, all in a game that most here would agree we underperformed in. You clearly weren't watching very closely if you didn't see substantive, quantifiable differences in how we performed on D generally. The full court press forced turnovers, something it rarely did last year, the switching was way more crisp and effective and the G-fense was generally closer to what we hope for. Sub-par opponent, whatever, they have some very experienced and fast guards and we disrupted their offense at every level, forcing them to hit very low percentage long range threes to stay in the game. Hit them they did, and we all hate that the game was close at all much less tied at the end of regulation, but if you can't see the difference between Primo and Murray fighting through screens vs. Don Carey and Kaiden Rice, then I just don't know what to tell you. There were lots of things wrong with how we played Tuesday, but effort and results on G-fense were nowhere near the top of the list for most of the team. Q fouling from out of position, Anglin looking lost in his few minutes, I could list many more that are bigger concerns than general D. Must we do better? Of course. But are we on the right track with more promising talent and potential for greatness? We sure as Hoyaheck are. No doubt that the game against Coppin was disappointing on more than a few levels. That is not a game that should have been very close, but there were some obvious signs of better talent if the defense and turnovers can be cleaned up. I think the real key is if this group, and this coaching staff, can fix those issues and show improvement from game to game. That was not the case last year, where they seemed to make the same mistakes all year. Green Bay is a team the Hoyas should handle easily so hopefully they can implement some positive improvements. The team needs to utilize some more of it's depth, even if just for 5-8 minutes a game, to keep the starters fresh and help develop those younger players, who may be needed if injuries/fouls occur. It is not reasonable to expect any player to play with high level effort/energy for an entire game if they are playing 35+ minutes a game. I am not a guy who thinks that the 11-12th guys need to be getting minutes every game, but you need to go 8-9 deep a game. Agree 100% about minutes, especially when we should be even smaller than we ever got Tuesday. Not seeing Bass at all was a particular disappointment. Hopefully that changes tomorrow now that the monkey is off our back and we are in a position, hopefully, to develop a lead and hold it. |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 11, 2022 9:23:07 GMT -5
I would have liked to see 25-100 more substitutions during the course of the game. One can dream.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 11, 2022 9:29:03 GMT -5
This is what it looks like when the bar is set as low as possible (and, for some reason, the architect of this disaster is immune from criticism). Might as well discontinue mens basketball if what happened on Tuesday is acceptable. Spot on no one has ever criticized Ewing on this board... hasn't happened...I mean I certainly didn't see hundreds of critical remarks (including myself) during the game thread real time... Certainly didn't see 99% of this board (including myself) after last season begging for his dismissal... Thankfully this board has you The Champion of Georgetown Truth...the rest of us simply cannot see beyond the end of our noses and thus we have you to gently put us back in our place...thank you I didn’t say that nobody is critical. I’m just pointing out that, for some, criticism of Ewing is not happening and, as a result, the bar is on the floor. Unfortunately, it seems that some of those people are also key decision makers at Georgetown. |
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Post by rhw485 on Nov 11, 2022 9:33:24 GMT -5
Premature conclusions much? We had twice as many blocks as we averaged last year, forced 5 more turnovers than we averaged last year, held our opponent about 30% below last year's average assist total and .5 below the assist/turnover ratio, all in a game that most here would agree we underperformed in. You clearly weren't watching very closely if you didn't see substantive, quantifiable differences in how we performed on D generally. The full court press forced turnovers, something it rarely did last year, the switching was way more crisp and effective and the G-fense was generally closer to what we hope for. Sub-par opponent, whatever, they have some very experienced and fast guards and we disrupted their offense at every level, forcing them to hit very low percentage long range threes to stay in the game. Hit them they did, and we all hate that the game was close at all much less tied at the end of regulation, but if you can't see the difference between Primo and Murray fighting through screens vs. Don Carey and Kaiden Rice, then I just don't know what to tell you. There were lots of things wrong with how we played Tuesday, but effort and results on G-fense were nowhere near the top of the list for most of the team. Q fouling from out of position, Anglin looking lost in his few minutes, I could list many more that are bigger concerns than general D. Must we do better? Of course. But are we on the right track with more promising talent and potential for greatness? We sure as Hoyaheck are. I think I write about defense as much as anybody on this board. I was going to sit this thread out but I think this post highlights a lot of the misconceptions a lot of people on this board quote with defense so would like to address. Will try and highlight some specific points you made: - Press / Turnovers: Highlighting raw number of turnovers misses the point of the number of possessions played. The game against Coppin had 87 possessions, we forced turnovers on 19.5%. That's slightly better than last year (18%) but considering the amount we pressed, it's not a great number. Some comparisons from last year: LSU 25%, VCU 25%, St Johns (who presses all game): 21%
- People consistently focus on the one or two extra turnovers caused by a press and completely ignore what happens when it's broken. It mostly got shredded and led to wide open opportunities on the back end. Pressing is a trade off of what happens after they break it, and it was a bad trade against Coppin
- 3 point luck: I'm just not sure how many years we can watch teams take more 3s us against us than any other opponent and bemoan the bad luck that they go in. Coppin went 13-38 from 3, that's only 34% nothing crazy. It's the fact that they were able to take so many 3s is the problem, and has been the problem of every Ewing defense. Teams want to shoot 3s in the modern game, and the fact that we let them highlights we're not taking away anything from the opponent. They get what they want
- We dont know how good of a team Coppin is actually going to be on offense, but the fact they already had played another opponent makes for an easy comparison. As I said in the game summary, Charlotte held Coppin to .85 points per possession. Literally the next night they score 1.01 vs. us. Is our defense being that much worse than Charlotte an ok outcome?
Now I 100% agree with you that using a one game sample makes no sense. But I also don't know how you can watch the game against a mid level MEAC team, give up 1 point per possession and not think the defense was the problem. Is it fixable? Sure, why not. Did we suffer from the exact same issues we have the last few years? Yes, and that's what's most concerning given the coaching staff and player turnover.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 11, 2022 9:34:54 GMT -5
I bleed Hoya Blue like you all but I’m shocked that anyone could say anything positive about our defense or even defend it. Same issues as last year with no signs of improvement besides one dude that gives his all every play in defense (which is a big deal in itself). For those that wanted a lot more full court press you got it. I’m hoping that conversation is done. I just want good and effective defense with some sort of cohesion. Effort, communicate, and care. Why does that feel like an impossible ask. Agree. It’s one game, small sample and all that, but this looks like a slight regression from last year. GU gave up 1.02 PPP in this game. Last year, when they played similarly terrible teams, they outperformed on defense in each one: American - 0.76 UMBC - .89 Howard - .92 Siena - .99 Dartmouth - .99 |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 11, 2022 9:49:36 GMT -5
I think I write about defense as much as anybody on this board. I was going to sit this thread out but I think this post highlights a lot of the misconceptions a lot of people on this board quote with defense so would like to address. Will try and highlight some specific points you made: - Press / Turnovers: Highlighting raw number of turnovers misses the point of the number of possessions played. The game against Coppin had 87 possessions, we forced turnovers on 19.5%. That's slightly better than last year (18%) but considering the amount we pressed, it's not a great number. Some comparisons from last year: LSU 25%, VCU 25%, St Johns (who presses all game): 21%
- People consistently focus on the one or two extra turnovers caused by a press and completely ignore what happens when it's broken. It mostly got shredded and led to wide open opportunities on the back end. Pressing is a trade off of what happens after they break it, and it was a bad trade against Coppin
- 3 point luck: I'm just not sure how many years we can watch teams take more 3s us against us than any other opponent and bemoan the bad luck that they go in. Coppin went 13-38 from 3, that's only 34% nothing crazy. It's the fact that they were able to take so many 3s is the problem, and has been the problem of every Ewing defense. Teams want to shoot 3s in the modern game, and the fact that we let them highlights we're not taking away anything from the opponent. They get what they want
- We dont know how good of a team Coppin is actually going to be on offense, but the fact they already had played another opponent makes for an easy comparison. As I said in the game summary, Charlotte held Coppin to .85 points per possession. Literally the next night they score 1.01 vs. us. Is our defense being that much worse than Charlotte an ok outcome?
Now I 100% agree with you that using a one game sample makes no sense. But I also don't know how you can watch the game against a mid level MEAC team, give up 1 point per possession and not think the defense was the problem. Is it fixable? Sure, why not. Did we suffer from the exact same issues we have the last few years? Yes, and that's what's most concerning given the coaching staff and player turnover.
I wish I could hit the like button on this post 5 times. You really hit the nail on the head. Another thing that I think is often overlooked is consequence of leaving guys open for wide open threes - a consistent problem under Ewing, and especially last year, and also against Coppin State. Did Coppin State's guards take a few shots way back? Yes. And sure, one or two of them were from no man's land. But, we are at the point where three point shooting has gotten so much better (i.e., guys practice it a lot, etc.) that you simply cannot leave guys wide open or they are going to make a lot of shots. And that's if they are at the line or 2 feet behind it. It doesn't matter - guys make wide open threes at a pretty high rate. In 2022-2023, any defense that allows opposing teams to just launch fairly open shots from three point range is not going to be a very good. This is why your point about the press is so salient. When the press is broken, it often yields open threes. That's a real problem. It's not like 1984 when the worse consequence of a botched press was two points. |
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Post by miracles87 on Nov 11, 2022 10:37:46 GMT -5
in the meantime, botskyhoya, you could try actually watching the games... No, really, they're fun! With your critical eye for basketball fundamentals, you probably had "fun" watching last year's team as well. Try taking off your adolescent, fanboy, funhouse glasses when you watch the games and you might become capable of objective observation. It is true, botsky, I do enjoy watching basketball. Makes one wonder what you are doing here, I guess you like “internet” or something. And, of course I had fun rooting for even a troubled team like last year’s, I am an actual fan, not whatever you are. It is because of my love of ball and the Hoyas that I am able to understand that last year’s team was much more offensively challenged than defensively. It is amazing what wonders one’s opponents can create from three when one’s opponents learn that you simply cannot score the basketball. Really helps with the follow through on the jump shot. As far as my critical eye for fundamentals, well, it does seem to me that time might be better spent evaluating the new players skills and how they are meshing is a more useful expenditure of one’s time here, but bot gonna bot, right? That said, instead of asinine posts crying about some horrible future that causes you to suck your thumb while listening for monsters under your bed, you could try to enjoy the talents of Akok Akok, who amazingly does not seem to be restrained by the shoddy analysis provided by the usual cadre of morons here at Hoyatalk. Perhaps regale in Primo Spears evident immense talent, which includes a keen nose for the basket, and an eye for finding cutters down the lane, and players coming open in the post. As a matter of fact, and had you watched the Coppin State game you would understand this, Primo and Brandon learned a valuable lesson during that nail biter of a win. Talent is nice, but positive plays are easily outdone by negative ones, and if Coppin State can take advantage of a flurry of sloppy play to take the lead, imagine what Creighton can do. So, no need to despair, lots of fun ball to watch, botsky. You should try to follow Mozone around on your screen, if your vision isn’t too blurred by your e-tears, to see what a player who understands team ball looks like. No really, you should try watching, it’s fun! |
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Post by bigskyhoya on Nov 11, 2022 10:47:26 GMT -5
With your critical eye for basketball fundamentals, you probably had "fun" watching last year's team as well. Try taking off your adolescent, fanboy, funhouse glasses when you watch the games and you might become capable of objective observation. It is true, botsky, I do enjoy watching basketball. Makes one wonder what you are doing here, I guess you like “internet” or something. And, of course I had fun rooting for even a troubled team like last year’s, I am an actual fan, not whatever you are. It is because of my love of ball and the Hoyas that I am able to understand that last year’s team was much more offensively challenged than defensively. It is amazing what wonders one’s opponents can create from three when one’s opponents learn that you simply cannot score the basketball. Really helps with the follow through on the jump shot. As far as my critical eye for fundamentals, well, it does seem to me that time might be better spent evaluating the new players skills and how they are meshing is a more useful expenditure of one’s time here, but bot gonna bot, right? That said, instead of asinine posts crying about some horrible future that causes you to suck your thumb while listening for monsters under your bed, you could try to enjoy the talents of Akok Akok, who amazingly does not seem to be restrained by the shoddy analysis provided by the usual cadre of morons here at Hoyatalk. Perhaps regale in Primo Spears evident immense talent, which includes a keen nose for the basket, and an eye for finding cutters down the lane, and players coming open in the post. As a matter of fact, and had you watched the Coppin State game you would understand this, Primo and Brandon learned a valuable lesson during that nail biter of a win. Talent is nice, but positive plays are easily outdone by negative ones, and if Coppin State can take advantage of a flurry of sloppy play to take the lead, imagine what Creighton can do. So, no need to despair, lots of fun ball to watch, botsky. You should try to follow Mozone around on your screen, if your vision isn’t too blurred by your e-tears, to see what a player who understands team ball looks like. No really, you should try watching, it’s fun! Thankfully, very few true "fans" ascribe to your definition of the term. Most here expect and demand more of the team than a guy who likely watches the games with a drool cup while waiving his Georgetown pennant. |
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Post by drquigley on Nov 11, 2022 11:20:15 GMT -5
I remember when JT3 took over how happy we were at the ability of the new offense (modified Princeton?) to shred opponents and bring us back to national dominance. And when Ewing took over I remember how happy we were with the new fast break up tempo style that he brought and the feeling that if nothing else the Hoyas would be fun to watch again. I guess what bothered me most about the Coppin game (and maybe many on this Board) was that I really hoped that with the new coaching and better players we'd see a different and improved from the last few years. But face it we haven't--at least not yet. I'll give Patrick a few more games to show me that we have turned a corner and are heading in a new direction. But last Tuesday was just the same old play but with a new cast.
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aggypryd
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Post by aggypryd on Nov 11, 2022 11:25:20 GMT -5
No one is stating the obvious: Coppin isn't a bad team. The Hoyas struggled in their first game against a team that was hitting their shots. Some of those shots were well behind the three point line. A lot of those shots were in transition. Still some came on 'penetration and dish'. But Coppin executed their game-plan well. These are players that play against each other all the time, so Coppin had no reason to be intimidated by the name on the front of the jersey. Coppin has a history of going to larger programs' campuses and performing well, and winning some of those games. Most HBCU's are going to have low rankings because 3/4ths of the conference just isn't very good. But those top two or three teams, they're usually pretty decent. Not top-tier good, but they have pretty decent ball clubs.
The fact that the Hoyas struggled with Coppin is not surprising because I attended a MEAC school. And while they had Fang Mitchell, there were many big schools that questioned why they scheduled them.
Maybe the Hoyas are trash, maybe Ewing is trash. Or maybe this Hoyas team, filled with new players, struggled with a solid ball club that was knocking down shots.
I'd like to see this team with a few more games under its belt and playing at full strength before I pass judgement.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Nov 11, 2022 11:34:45 GMT -5
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miracles87
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Post by miracles87 on Nov 11, 2022 11:38:17 GMT -5
It is true, botsky, I do enjoy watching basketball. Makes one wonder what you are doing here, I guess you like “internet” or something. And, of course I had fun rooting for even a troubled team like last year’s, I am an actual fan, not whatever you are. It is because of my love of ball and the Hoyas that I am able to understand that last year’s team was much more offensively challenged than defensively. It is amazing what wonders one’s opponents can create from three when one’s opponents learn that you simply cannot score the basketball. Really helps with the follow through on the jump shot. As far as my critical eye for fundamentals, well, it does seem to me that time might be better spent evaluating the new players skills and how they are meshing is a more useful expenditure of one’s time here, but bot gonna bot, right? That said, instead of asinine posts crying about some horrible future that causes you to suck your thumb while listening for monsters under your bed, you could try to enjoy the talents of Akok Akok, who amazingly does not seem to be restrained by the shoddy analysis provided by the usual cadre of morons here at Hoyatalk. Perhaps regale in Primo Spears evident immense talent, which includes a keen nose for the basket, and an eye for finding cutters down the lane, and players coming open in the post. As a matter of fact, and had you watched the Coppin State game you would understand this, Primo and Brandon learned a valuable lesson during that nail biter of a win. Talent is nice, but positive plays are easily outdone by negative ones, and if Coppin State can take advantage of a flurry of sloppy play to take the lead, imagine what Creighton can do. So, no need to despair, lots of fun ball to watch, botsky. You should try to follow Mozone around on your screen, if your vision isn’t too blurred by your e-tears, to see what a player who understands team ball looks like. No really, you should try watching, it’s fun! Thankfully, very few true "fans" ascribe to your definition of the term. Most here expect and demand more of the team than a guy who likely watches the games with a drool cup while waiving his Georgetown pennant. Hey, I’m all about some spicy back and forth on the website, but sneaking a camera into Miracles’ man cave while he’s having a good ol Hoyas drool is beyond the pale |
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