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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Nov 20, 2022 23:36:30 GMT -5
Dunno about that but there’s this. Thought he played very well. Outstanding FT shooting for a big man. Proof that Boya can be positive lol
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 21, 2022 0:00:36 GMT -5
Wahab was great in this game, and shows why he's a valuable addition. He's particularly useful against smaller teams like LaSalle. If we had Ighoefe manning the paint in this game, we may very well have lost.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 21, 2022 8:13:19 GMT -5
If Q is your leading scorer in a BE game, we probably loose that game. Can’t trade twos for threes against quality opponents on a consistent basis.
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Post by TC on Nov 21, 2022 9:43:48 GMT -5
Looking at the stats.... www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/qudus-wahab-1.htmlWahab 131.3 ORTG, 98.7 DRTG Those are absolutely crazy good stats. Despite the turnovers, a 60% FG and a 88.9% FT are incredible for a center - if the guards were playing anywhere near this level, the team is undefeated.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 21, 2022 10:13:43 GMT -5
Right- need consistent guard play and then we will be in business...
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 21, 2022 10:14:08 GMT -5
Q needs to demand the ball more as well.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 21, 2022 10:48:02 GMT -5
Right- need consistent guard play and then we will be in business... And keep playing teams at or above 175 in the rankings.
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Post by bostonfan on Nov 21, 2022 10:55:00 GMT -5
Looking at the stats.... www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/qudus-wahab-1.htmlWahab 131.3 ORTG, 98.7 DRTG Those are absolutely crazy good stats. Despite the turnovers, a 60% FG and a 88.9% FT are incredible for a center - if the guards were playing anywhere near this level, the team is undefeated. Q is a good offensive player when he can get the ball on the post and other teams either can't, or won't double him. He struggles to identify where the double team is coming from, and where his open team mate will be, fast enough. There is not much the staff can do to keep other teams from doubling Q, but they can make it harder for them to double him and force the other team to send that second defender from further away, which should give Q more time to make decisions on shooting or passing. While he does not pass out of the post often, I have seen him do it more this season then he did beforehand. It just seems like the spacing is not very good when they try to get Q the ball in the post.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 21, 2022 11:11:49 GMT -5
Looking at the stats.... www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/qudus-wahab-1.htmlWahab 131.3 ORTG, 98.7 DRTG Those are absolutely crazy good stats. Despite the turnovers, a 60% FG and a 88.9% FT are incredible for a center - if the guards were playing anywhere near this level, the team is undefeated. Q is a good offensive player when he can get the ball on the post and other teams either can't, or won't double him. He struggles to identify where the double team is coming from, and where his open team mate will be, fast enough. There is not much the staff can do to keep other teams from doubling Q, but they can make it harder for them to double him and force the other team to send that second defender from further away, which should give Q more time to make decisions on shooting or passing. While he does not pass out of the post often, I have seen him do it more this season then he did beforehand. It just seems like the spacing is not very good when they try to get Q the ball in the post. He is also great when he plays against smaller/undermanned/unathletic opponents like LaSalle. There were many instances, especially in the first half when Wahab essentially bullied himself through smaller defenders to get layups or hook shots. Clearly, he cannot do that against most Big East teams or better opponents, but it is an effective strategy against a team like LaSalle. Wahab is not perfect, obviously. As others have pointed out, when the ball gets into him, it is often a black hole ending in a shot or turnover, as he rarely passes out of it, but he can still be effective if he is used right. Against better opponents, finding the right shots for Wahab becomes increasingly important. The idea of throwing it into the post and "letting the big man work/eat" is antiquated. Post-play is not terribly efficient against high quality opponents unless you're an elite player/athlete (think Zion Williamson or Embiid). That said, Wahab is strong around the basket, finishes, well etc. So if the offense can work to get him one-on-one or open shots, he can be super useful. I know in the past I have criticized antiquated style of post-play, and people often misconstrue that as my saying there's no role for big men. That's not true at all. I just think it's a more specific/different role than it was 30 years ago.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 21, 2022 12:08:13 GMT -5
Q is a good offensive player when he can get the ball on the post and other teams either can't, or won't double him. He struggles to identify where the double team is coming from, and where his open team mate will be, fast enough. There is not much the staff can do to keep other teams from doubling Q, but they can make it harder for them to double him and force the other team to send that second defender from further away, which should give Q more time to make decisions on shooting or passing. While he does not pass out of the post often, I have seen him do it more this season then he did beforehand. It just seems like the spacing is not very good when they try to get Q the ball in the post. He is also great when he plays against smaller/undermanned/unathletic opponents like LaSalle. There were many instances, especially in the first half when Wahab essentially bullied himself through smaller defenders to get layups or hook shots. Clearly, he cannot do that against most Big East teams or better opponents, but it is an effective strategy against a team like LaSalle. Wahab is not perfect, obviously. As others have pointed out, when the ball gets into him, it is often a black hole ending in a shot or turnover, as he rarely passes out of it, but he can still be effective if he is used right. Against better opponents, finding the right shots for Wahab becomes increasingly important. The idea of throwing it into the post and "letting the big man work/eat" is antiquated. Post-play is not terribly efficient against high quality opponents unless you're an elite player/athlete (think Zion Williamson or Embiid). That said, Wahab is strong around the basket, finishes, well etc. So if the offense can work to get him one-on-one or open shots, he can be super useful. I know in the past I have criticized antiquated style of post-play, and people often misconstrue that as my saying there's no role for big men. That's not true at all. I just think it's a more specific/different role than it was 30 years ago. He can’t dominate against bigger/longer 7-1 plus guys or beefeaters who weigh 265 plus pounds. This is why he struggled against both NW and LMU
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Post by bearsandbulls on Feb 11, 2023 14:27:48 GMT -5
Things are bad enough with the G'town men's BB program, but the absence of QW today raises legit questions.
Strong hope that today was for "personal reasons", but equally strong suggestion (posts on other threads) that he was not only not there today but has left the team and the school.
If so (and I hope not for his sake as a developing young man) he has now quit 3 times: G'town once, Maryland once, and G'town twice. Either he or his handlers have done ZERO to improve the image of this young man. He has been given every opportunity by G'town as witnessed by his playing time.
This is what he gives back to his coach, his fellow players, and his school in tough times. If he has quit this third time instead of wishing him well, to me it is goodbye and good riddance, and don't let the door.....
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Post by 1427hoya on Feb 11, 2023 14:34:14 GMT -5
Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on Pat
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Post by DonkDonk on Feb 11, 2023 14:41:10 GMT -5
Sadly, I don’t think Q will ever play basketball in the US (college or pro) again. Tough end to a career.
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 11, 2023 15:32:17 GMT -5
Yeah I have to admit that I don't care one iota if Q ever plays another minute for GTown. I fill like he has regressed since his sophomore year and everyone knows exactly what he's going to do when he gets the ball in the paint. If you overplay him to his left shoulder he can't get a make able shot off and he refuses to pass out.
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Post by TC on Feb 11, 2023 15:36:35 GMT -5
I can't find any post-game interview coverage - usually I can find something on Patrick Waring or Patrick Stevens' twitter - did they Seacrest out after the buzzer?
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 11, 2023 15:37:23 GMT -5
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Post by CTHoya08 on Feb 11, 2023 15:53:23 GMT -5
Our APR is gonna be lit!
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Post by alleninxis on Feb 11, 2023 16:15:04 GMT -5
I have found it rather appalling at times the way Q has been treated by our fanbase. He is a young kid who clearly has not been in control of his own future for years now and has been pulled this way and that and given little guidance or structure in his basketball life, hopefully it's been a different story in his personal life. I have found the whole thing really unfortunate and at this point, I would fully understand if basketball was no longer a passion of his, if it ever was. I am not absolving him of his own regression as a player, but I wish we would treat his career with a little more sensitivity.
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Post by TC on Feb 11, 2023 16:44:42 GMT -5
Get that degree Qudus. No one's going to care about these next 6 games.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 11, 2023 17:06:24 GMT -5
I have found it rather appalling at times the way Q has been treated by our fanbase. He is a young kid who clearly has not been in control of his own future for years now and has been pulled this way and that and given little guidance or structure in his basketball life, hopefully it's been a different story in his personal life. I have found the whole thing really unfortunate and at this point, I would fully understand if basketball was no longer a passion of his, if it ever was. I am not absolving him of his own regression as a player, but I wish we would treat his career with a little more sensitivity. I agree. While Wahab's journey is atypical, for sure, I also think it's a little harsh to pounce on the guy as a "quitter." By all accounts, Wahab's first decision to transfer was in part because of his handler (and many others have transferred from Georgetown so I wouldn't consider that unique), and he was recruited by Turgeon who got fired/left shortly after last year started. And, now if all that has been posted above is true, Wahab isn't leaving the team now, either. I just think it's unfair to call someone a "quitter" who transfers. There are many, many, reasons why people decide to transfer. I was friends with non-athelete students at Georgetown who both left Georgetown to transfer elsewhere, and also people who transferred into Georgetown. In all cases, people had their reasons, and I wouldn't say in any of those instances these students were "quitting" on their former university. If calling any transfer a "quitter" is fair game, then our roster is full of quitters. Of course, that's not true. I do think if Wahab just left because Ezewiro started, or something like that, that would be quitting. But, if as Wahab says that's not true, I do not consider him a quitter. Certainly not someone who may graduate with a Georgetown degree in May--something few students under Ewing have done. I would add that Wahab isn't the only person on his third stint. Heath played for two other teams too. Is he not a quitter only because he came to Georgetown?
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